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4 hours ago, Kiara_taylor said:
Thanks for the comprehensive advice, @Miss_Sissy! We really appreciate the breakdown of RAID for uptime and backups for disaster recovery. The 3-2-1 backup strategy (3 copies, 2 media, 1 offsite) definitely sounds like a solid approach.
Thank you for your courteous replies.
Two points:
- Redundant RAID is not just for uptime. It's also the data protection for all of the additions, deletions, and modifications to your data since your most recent backup, all of which you would lose if you had to go into disaster recovery mode and restore everything from the backup.
- The 3-2-1 strategy (mentioned by another user) is nearly 20 years old and slowly falling out of favor as more robust, modern strategies with names like 3-2-1-1-0 and 4-3-2 gain prominence. See this Backblaze white paper and this Stonefly article which go into more detail than would be appropriate in a thread response here.
4 hours ago, Kiara_taylor said:We completely agree that RAID protects uptime, but backups are crucial for recovering from accidental deletion or other data loss scenarios.
Forms of RAID that provide snapshot capabilities, such as ZFS RAID, give you a recovery option without resorting to a separate backup. With a RAID mode that can survive individual drive failures, the snapshot capability relegates backups to something only pulled out when something catastrophic has happened (fire, flood, ransomware, etc.) or when you need to recover old (rather than recent) versions of files.
4 hours ago, Kiara_taylor said:On the topic of NAS options, we've also been looking into StoneFly. They offer NAS appliances with features like RAID protection and scalability. Have any of you had experience with StoneFly? We'd love to hear your thoughts on their solutions compared to Unraid or other options.
Unraid and Stonefly are on opposite ends of the spectrum, with Unraid being software aimed primarily at DIY home networking enthusiasts and Stonefly marketing their products as complete "Data Center Solutions." Stonefly has been around for a long time and is well-respected. You should talk to one of their reps and get a handle on the true costs, not only the cost of the RAID appliance(s) you would host locally. Find out the cost of all ongoing services you would need from them, including cloud and support. Determine what your firm's role would be in installing, configuring, and managing the Stonefly hardware and software. Then think about whether you have someone on staff who can handle it and has the hours needed. Not knowing more about your firm, your data, and your budget, that's about all I can suggest.
This March 13, 2024 review/article about Stonefly's offerings might be a good place to start. I do not know the author or whether he has any conflicts of interest.
Good luck.
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2 minutes ago, adoucette said:
@Miss_Sissy your .stl file worked perfectly to house the referenced parts. Just arrived. Thanks for sharing.
I'm glad that the design worked and I'm sorry that the parts don't provide a unique GUID for our use with Unraid. I was nervous that you couldn't do any iterations to make adjustments, but it sounds like the service you used has printers that 'agree' with mine.
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11 hours ago, Michael_P said:
It's well enough known....
As we have been asked by a moderator to cease debating in this thread, I will abide by his direction.
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4 hours ago, Michael_P said:
unRaid or RAID(1,5,10,whatever) does absolutely nothing to protect data. RAID is for maintaining uptime - period.
You are incorrect. Without redundant RAID, a single drive failure can lead to the loss of all data added or changed since the last full, incremental, or differential backup.4 hours ago, Michael_P said:It doesn't take a catastrophe to cause data loss...
Nice strawman. I never suggested that only catastrophes cause data loss. When I referred to "catastrophic data loss," I was talking about to the magnitude of the loss, not the cause. But I think that you knew that.
5 hours ago, Michael_P said:a simple press of the delete key is sufficient.
Deleting a file or a directory tree is not a catastrophic data loss on any competently run NAS and network. It's an inconvenience that needs to be resolved through the use of snapshots, revision control systems, and other tools regularly employed on modern networks.
5 hours ago, Michael_P said:That's why an actual, tested, backup strategy is critical for critical data. 3 copies, 2 on different media, and 1 offsite is the standard.
Had you read the entirety of my post, you would have seen that I addressed the importance of backups, including offsite storage.
What I did not do was propose a one-size-fits-all backup strategy that I claimed was "the standard" (without citations) for critical data. I'd need a lot more information from the client before devising a backup strategy to fit their business needs.
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I'm going to give you some general advice because it sounds like that's what you are asking for.
If you're feeling overwhelmed, I recommend that you hire a consulting engineer near you who has done this sort of thing before. When dealing with business-critical data, you don't want to experiment and try to learn on your own.
Protection against drive failures is something best accomplished through RAID, not backups. For example, on our primary NAS, up to two of the six discs can fail without the NAS going offline or losing any data. On our secondary NAS, which has less valuable data, one of the five drives can fail without data loss. There are various forms of RAID and they can be configured to survive multiple drive failures. To use an extreme example, you could buy four 18TB drives and configure RAID so that you would lose no data even if only one of the three remained functional.
Backups are for dealing with a catastrophic data loss, whether through flood, fire, malware, hackers, or some other act of God, Satan, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. For that reason, you should follow some sort of backup strategy that puts backups offsite -- possibly in cloud storage or possibly on physical media.
Based on what you've shared, my first thoughts would be an Unraid NAS that supports SAMBA protocol and automatic snapshots (snapshots let you roll back disks and directories to their state at some prior time). Unraid with a single ZFS pool consisting of four physical disks configured as RAID-Z2 would give you the abiliy to have half of the four discs fail simultaneously without any data loss, while supporting the aforementioned snapshots.
My reason for suggesting Unraid is not because this is an Unraid forum. I'm on the Unraid forum because I've tried multiple commercial and open source NAS solutions and I think that Unraid is the best NAS OS, especially from a user interface perspective.
I hope that I have left you with fewer questions rather than more. But remember that free advice is often worth what you pay for it, so don't trust me and especially don't trust anyone who disagrees with me!
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12 hours ago, J_5 said:
That said, I have a Samsung T5 mSATA enclosure, and an SSK m.2 enclosure I can put my old 16GB Optane into.
Anyone have experience with either of those options?
I've been spooked off of getting 'creative.' The problem is that the first person who tries something will probably see success. But what happens if another person tries the same thing and it turns out that their device provides the same GUID numbers?
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1 hour ago, SpencerJ said:
I will amend my post. Thanks for testing and sorry it didn't work out- you should be able to return the adapters within 30 days. I'm trying to determine now if this was a "bad batch" or something that changed from a manufacturing standpoint. Thus far, I have not heard back from Eluteng in my communication attempts.
This is how we find things out. After the effort I put into designing the enclosure yesterday, I'll hang onto everything for general usage. Also, I don't want to get on Amazon's bad side for returning items that work as advertised.
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Just now, adoucette said:
Too bad - that's exactly what I just purchased as well as got case printed for.
Sorry about that. But it could be that it depends on revision or lot number of the adapter or the mounted mSATA SSD. You may be lucky even if I was not.
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On 2/26/2024 at 4:56 PM, SpencerJ said:
Another option/alternative to USBs that we've been internally testing and vetting are mSATA adapters/drives:
This USB mSATA adapter (~$10) appears to provide unique GUIDs for Unraid:
This 32GB mSATA drive works with the above adapter (~$15):
Warning: I bought both products from those links and got this GUID-used-or-blacklisted error when I tried to apply my activation code:
So much for "appears to provide unique GUIDs for Unraid."
I emailed Limetech support and am awaiting their response. I suggest that people hold off on buying these pending some sort of resolution.
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11 hours ago, adoucette said:
@JonathanM Are you willing to share the .stl file for this?
Perfect timing as my Samsung Bar 64GB USB stick just died after two years' use.
After seeing your request to JonathanM, I created my own design which I am happy to share. It does not have any markings or trademarks, but it does have around 350 diamond-shaped ventilation holes for cooling. I've uploaded the .stl files to Thingiverse along with some images, notes, and settings. You can download the files and read more design here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6520361
I hope that folks find it useful.
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On 2/27/2024 at 4:09 PM, ConnerVT said:
If you are at the point that you need to swap your flash drive, the few moments it takes to open a cover to retrieve it is inconsequential. The benefits are preventing it from accidental damage, theft, loss, being removed while server is running, ....
It takes more than just a few, inconsequential moments for me to get down on the floor and reach in to blindly detach cables and extract the NAS from the bottom shelf of a tightly packed unit in order to remove the cover -- and then reverse the steps to return the NAS to service. There's a lot more chance for accidental damage in that operation than there is in just swapping an external flash drive.
No one in my home is going to reach behind the NAS to remove, steal, or damage the USB flash drive plugged into the back of it. If some stranger has broken into my home, I have much bigger concerns than whether they will take the flash drive out of my Unraid server.
On 2/27/2024 at 4:11 PM, JonathanM said:How so? With all my running servers I've only swapped 3 failed flashdrives in all the years I've been running them. It's not a common occurrence normally.
If installing the flash drive inside of the cabinet adds twenty minutes of extra downtime every ten years, then downtime was not minimized. I don't need more stress and delays when I'm already dealing with a server that's gone offline.
Nor do I want to be the only person who can swap it since I might be on travel when it fails, just as I was when a NAS drive failed and I had to talk a family member through swapping the drive (illustrating the value of drive trays/sleds and spare, pre-cleared drives ready for installation).
What you're suggesting has its merits and it's something I considered when I put the NAS together. But it was not ideal for me.
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On 2/26/2024 at 6:36 AM, JonathanM said:
Don't use a low profile, mount it inside the case instead. Your motherboard should have USB headers inside, probably 10 pin with one corner pin missing for keying. Adapters are cheap.
That's a bad idea if you want to minimize downtime.
I have removable drive trays because I don't want to pull my NAS out of service and disassemble it when something fails. It's a lot easier to reach behind and swap a thumb drive in the blind than it is to demate all of the cables, pull it out of the shelf, put it on a workbench, remove the cover, swap the thumb drive, replace the cover, put it back into the shelf, and then blindly try to plug the power and network cables into the correct locations.
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8 hours ago, bonienl said:
Sorry, I was off for a while.
No problem at all. I'm grateful whenever someone finds the time to assist me.
8 hours ago, bonienl said:WireGuard isn't bound to an interface, instead it uses routing to determine how to set up the tunnel.
Normally the end-point is reached by Unraid via the default gateway, which is reachable by interface eth0 (it holds the default route).
If you want a WireGuard tunnel to run over a different interface, you need to make sure the routing on Unraid to reach the end-point of this tunnel points to the interface you want to use.
It is already possible to define different tunnels and let them run via different interfaces, but the routing must be correct to do so.
I will have to do learn Unraid's routing UI. I'm guessing it can't be that different than pfSense and my EdgeRouter 4.
With a dynamic IP address as the end-point, I'm going to have to think about how to handle the routing. It's a shame I can't just check a box that says "accept tunnel open requests on any NIC and reply out the same NIC through which the tunnel was opened."
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3 hours ago, ljm42 said:
bonienl and I know the most about WireGuard here. I don't know how to do what you are asking, since he hasn't responded then he doesn't either. I'm sorry, that is out of scope for this plugin.
Thanks for your reply.
Feature request: With multiple NICs being common, users should be able to assign to which NIC WireGuard tunnels connect, even if they can only pick a single NIC for all WireGuard tunnels.
I have two connections, a 940/880 Mbps (down/up) residential Internet connection and a 50/10 Mbps business Internet connection. The former has a dynamic IP and terms of service that prohibit running servers (think VPN) while the latter has multiple static IPs and permits servers of any kind.
I don't want my Unraid box using up the very limited bandwidth of the business connection, or taking the massive performance hit. Therefore, I had set the metric on the residential gateway lowest. But I do want WireGuard on the business connection with a static IP address (via NAT port forwarding).
While I would like to have a Wireguard tunnel available on the residential connection, it would be for emergency use only, such as when I am out of town and there's been some sort of network outage on the business side. That would be unlikely to be detected as a server with only sporadic, personal use.
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On 4/16/2021 at 1:20 PM, Sissy said:
Dual-homed Unraid NAS (version 6.9.2) with WireGuard (plugin version 2021.04.12) tunnels on each of the two Ethernet adapters?
I have an Unraid NAS with two Ethernet adapters. One adapter connects to a Verizon FIOS residential network segment (192.168.1.0/24) and the other connects to a Cox Business Services network segment (192.168.0.0/24).
I would like to have WireGuard VPN tunnels on both of the Unraid NAS Ethernet adapters so that I can remotely tunnel in on either network connection (think failure of a router, firewall, cable modem, ONT, etc.).
I can't see a way to bind tunnel wg0 to eth 0 and tunnel wg1 to eth 1. It appears that the WireGuard plugin attaches any tunnel created to the Ethernet adapter attached to the gateway with the lower metric.
If a VPN tunnel is established on the Cox Business Services Ethernet adapter (eth 0), I want WireGuard to use the Cox gateway associated with that adapter. If it comes in on the Verizon side, I want the Verizon gateway used.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Is there anyone offering paid support for WireGuard in Unraid? I have asked this question three times in the forums and once in a private DM to bonienl and have not received even a single answer.
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12 minutes ago, Bob@unraid said:
I have 2 NICs on my mainboard, currently working as bond0 with adaptive load balancing.
Is it possible to run the Wireguard VPN (unraid server as client) at eth0 and the "normal" local ethernet / internet at eth1?
I've had no success at getting questions answered about multi-NIC Unraid WireGuard installations. I've posted here and here in this thread and had zero responses, publicly or privately. I also private-messaged bonienl, author of the WireGuard plugin, more than a week ago. Although he has been logged on since then, I've not had any response from him, either.
I've not seen any information on how to, or if you can, selectively bind an instance of WireGuard to a particular NIC. Based on my experimentation, it appears to attach itself to whatever NIC attached to the gateway with the lowest metric.
In my case, I have two NICs attached to two different network segments, each with its own gateway (Verizon on one, Cox on the other). I want to bind WireGuard to each NIC so that I have redundant paths into my local network so that a single point of failure cannot lock me out when I am operating remotely.
Maybe as time goes on, mechanisms to do what we want, and/or documentation as to how to do it, will be developed.
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On 4/16/2021 at 1:20 PM, Sissy said:
Dual-homed Unraid NAS (version 6.9.2) with WireGuard (plugin version 2021.04.12) tunnels on each of the two Ethernet adapters?
I have an Unraid NAS with two Ethernet adapters. One adapter connects to a Verizon FIOS residential network segment (192.168.1.0/24) and the other connects to a Cox Business Services network segment (192.168.0.0/24).
I would like to have WireGuard VPN tunnels on both of the Unraid NAS Ethernet adapters so that I can remotely tunnel in on either network connection (think failure of a router, firewall, cable modem, ONT, etc.).
I can't see a way to bind tunnel wg0 to eth 0 and tunnel wg1 to eth 1. It appears that the WireGuard plugin attaches any tunnel created to the Ethernet adapter attached to the gateway with the lower metric.
If a VPN tunnel is established on the Cox Business Services Ethernet adapter (eth 0), I want WireGuard to use the Cox gateway associated with that adapter. If it comes in on the Verizon side, I want the Verizon gateway used.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Ping. Anyone?
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Dual-homed Unraid NAS (version 6.9.2) with WireGuard (plugin version 2021.04.12) tunnels on each of the two Ethernet adapters?
I have an Unraid NAS with two Ethernet adapters. One adapter connects to a Verizon FIOS residential network segment (192.168.1.0/24) and the other connects to a Cox Business Services network segment (192.168.0.0/24).
I would like to have WireGuard VPN tunnels on both of the Unraid NAS Ethernet adapters so that I can remotely tunnel in on either network connection (think failure of a router, firewall, cable modem, ONT, etc.).
I can't see a way to bind tunnel wg0 to eth 0 and tunnel wg1 to eth 1. It appears that the WireGuard plugin attaches any tunnel created to the Ethernet adapter attached to the gateway with the lower metric.
If a VPN tunnel is established on the Cox Business Services Ethernet adapter (eth 0), I want WireGuard to use the Cox gateway associated with that adapter. If it comes in on the Verizon side, I want the Verizon gateway used.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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21 minutes ago, ljm42 said:
To clarify, you posted in the thread that explains how to connect to commercial VPN providers. Is that what you are trying to do?
Thank you. Based on the title of the thread, "WIREGUARD - VPN TUNNELED ACCESS," it appeared to be about the topic I was interested in -- tunneled access to my networks via WireGuard. I will repost my question at the link you provided.
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Dual-homed Unraid NAS (version 6.9.2) with WireGuard (plugin version 2021.04.12) tunnels on each of the two Ethernet adapters?
I have an Unraid NAS with two Ethernet adapters. One adapter connects to a Verizon FIOS residential network segment (192.168.1.0/24) and the other connects to a Cox Business Services network segment (192.168.0.0/24).
I would like to have WireGuard VPN tunnels on both of the Unraid NAS Ethernet adapters so that I can remotely tunnel in on either network connection (think failure of a router, firewall, cable modem, ONT, etc.).
I can't see a way to bind tunnel wg0 to eth 0 and tunnel wg1 to eth 1. It appears that the WireGuard plugin attaches any tunnel created to the Ethernet adapter attached to the gateway with the lower metric.
If a VPN tunnel is established on the Cox Business Services Ethernet adapter (eth 0), I want WireGuard to use the Cox gateway associated with that adapter. If it comes in on the Verizon side, I want the Verizon gateway used.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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1 hour ago, spazmc said:
So what is wrong with Unraid charging for cloud based backup. If you want it?
Some of you are already paying someone else to to do it.
I'm fine with LimeTech charging subscription fees for any kind of service, whether cloud-based backup, priority access to tech support, or any other service for which they incur ongoing costs. I hope such services are made available to licensees as well as future customers who choose to acquire Unraid through subscriptions.
As long as LimeTech continues to offer traditional (non-subscription) Unraid OS licenses that include access to all 'core OS features' and upgrades, I will be rooting for them as they expand their customer base and revenue stream through subscription offerings. After all, it's in my best interests as a customer for LimeTech to be a thriving, profitable business.
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3 minutes ago, jonp said:
Man I think some folks out there got really burned by a few bad companies.
No, we really got burned by a bunch of greedy companies, many of which started out by pushing subscriptions as options only to later remove the ability to buy traditional licenses. I have two packages I can think of right now where the publishers removed features and then charged customers subscription fees to get the features back.
3 minutes ago, jonp said:Of course things that are core to the OS itself will not be a part of a subscription. That includes ZFS. It will be a core function of Unraid OS. However, anything that requires services to be provided by us to support wouldn't be something that's just part of the OS. Anything where we have to provide a hosted infrastructure has an ongoing cost and those offerings will be considered services that come with a subscription. Technical support could be one thing, other cloud-based services could be another (think cloud-based backups). I certainly don't imagine anyone has found a cloud storage solution that is free, unlimited, and uncompressed.
You say "of course," but you are the first person to clearly articulate what LimeTech means by a 'core' feature of the OS versus a "premium feature." Cloud-based backups was another example I had actually written up but deleted for brevity when I was citing things that might be examples of premium features.
I'm okay with what you describe above and I think that most people would be. I think it's a mistake to refer to "premium features" and I would consider coining another term like "hosted features."
I think it's important to tell traditional license holders that they will have access to all of the subscription-based features so long as they pay the associated subscription fees. So if I want a subscription to a year's worth of tech support, then I pay $X for it, regardless of whether I have Unraid through a traditional license or a monthly subscription (just to cite one example).
Thank you for addressing my questions and concerns.
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On 8/13/2020 at 7:02 PM, SpencerJ said:
Your Unraid license will still include all future upgrades and features and you will still be able to purchase licenses for a one-time fee.
Fast forward four months:
On 12/9/2020 at 2:49 PM, SpencerJ said:We are also committed to any future subscription offerings being tied only to added premium features not already included with the OS.
Which is it? Will customers who bought licenses still get "all future upgrades and features" or are there going to be new, "premium features" developed which will only be available to subscribers?
Every major upgrade of Unraid has included "features not already included with the [prior version of] the OS." In the future, would such new features be termed "premium features" only available to subscribers?
Finally, are we conflating "features" with "services"? I'm fine with there being a subscription offered for direct access to priority tech support, for example. But I'm not fine with discovering one day that ZFS is available on Unraid -- but only to subscribers.
Thanks for considering my concerns.
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I did as you directed and it worked perfectly!
Unraid rebooted and immediately flagged the drive's health after providing a notification of the reallocated sector.
Here's the file before and after acknowledging the condition:
root@Unraid-N5550:/boot/config/plugins/dynamix# cat monitor.ini [smart] cache.5="1" root@Unraid-N5550:/boot/config/plugins/dynamix# cat monitor.ini [smart] cache.5="1" cache.ack="true"Thanks again. It would have taken me a long time to find that without your help.
34 minutes ago, Vr2Io said:TS-851, ATOM J1800, now places as spare.
FYR, performance drop a lot with dual parity with 13 disks ( 2 parity + 11 data disk, some were USB disk )
That's a supercomputer compared to my Thecus N5550 Unraid box!
Atom D2550 vs. Intel Celeron J1800
My Thecus box is only dealing with two parity, three data drives, and a single cache SSD. It pretty much saturates gigabit, but it can't do any virtualization (I just want it to be a simple NAS, though).
It looks like your DOM is a USB device that plugs into what seems to be a standard, two-row, dual-port USB header on the motherboard. I guess you could put your Unraid boot drive into that header using an appropriate, USB-A-terminated cable.
I feel better with my Thecus DOM in an anti-static bag -- rather than plugged into the box, awaiting something stepping on it or the BIOS deciding to boot from it (think dying button cell battery). That it gives me a SATA port for the SSD is just a plus.
My QNAP is a TS-853A, BTW.
Thanks again.
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I agree: Unraid needs an rsync GUI, especially to enable and configure rsync as a service.
rsync has been a basic part of every NAS OS I've ever run or considered, including QNAP, TrueNAS, XigmaNAS, OpenMediaVault, Synology, and Thecus. On those, it wasn't something where you had to 'roll your own' by manually enabling and configuring the rsync service from a command line or choose between multiple Docker rsync implementations.
This should be a pretty easy feature to implement, so I hope that Limetech sees fit to make it a standard part of Unraid.