cj0r

Upgraded both systems last night from 7.2.2, no signs of any issues yet. GUI feels faster and more responsive including the login screen. Like the new onboarding experience as well. Very nice release so far all around.

Completed upgrades 2 days ago on both servers. So far no issues to report!

Just want to say that I really appreciate you guys taking the advice and putting the beta releases back in Announcements. Participation appears to have increased and hopefully it will make the official releases less surprise prone. With that said I'm decommissioning some services from my secondary server and will hopefully get it to a good place as a test lab soon. Excited to participate again!

Ya I think that would be a good first step. Ideally I still feel like all releases should be housed in the same location but I understand the importance of clearly distinguishing between the 2 kinds of releases as to not confuse inexperienced users etc. Also agree with primeval so there's less bouncing around to find similar bugs. Another user in the 7.1.4 thread had a next level suggestion of having an option for Unraid to auto capture configuration information (not full logs but a snapshot of a system essentially) in an effort to remove the tediousness of users manually sharing that info. I know this goes beyond a forum enhancement but it wasn't a bad idea.

Well you only have to add your hardware specs to your signature one time and then maintain if you change anything, that saves any future admin work right there and isn't asking much of community members. In fact, it has been recommended to do so for years now but it never fully caught on. I, and I assume a lot of other users, look for success cases with similar builds to mine before I upgrade. It takes a quick glance at the release thread, not reading through logs or reports (that's overexaggerating). Upgrading and rolling back is a useful fallback feature for a once in a blue moon failure during an upgrade, it's not supposed to be a part of your regular workflow or something you expect you'll need to utilize when upgrading. Regardless, we don't agree on this suggestion and I get that and am fine with it. What suggestions do you have to maybe help improve the issues Unraid is currently facing in these release threads?

I may have misunderstood what the solution was. I hadn't seen that before if that was the case and this may have been a rare exception. Regardless, let's keep going and workshop something that will address the overall confidence/testing issues.

Agreed I should have included that I have opted to bond my NICs, however individual docker issues and configurations have nothing to do with the release itself. Any issues arising there need to be addressed with those relevant teams that have provided the container's template. The release thread should be limited to issues related to the core OS and update in question. I include the Plugin list because certain plugins have historically caused issues with system stability which is why everyone is asked to upgrade or disable incompatible Plugins BEFORE upgrading. Dockers are obviously "contained" and rarely have an affect on the system as a whole because of this. The reason I'm pushing for sharing hardware is that, for example, if we see a specific NIC included in a build and that user is reporting regular crashes, then another user posts about crashes but with a different build but happens to share the same NIC, we can start to see patterns form. So I disagree, there is absolutely a benefit to sharing the base system specs since it may become very obvious very quickly if that knowledge is clear up front. If more information is needed, that is the purpose of creating a bug report thread and providing logs etc.

Lately, it's been difficult to gauge the stability of new Unraid releases based on the current forum threads. It's unclear whether reported issues are isolated cases tied to specific hardware/plugins/odd configurations or broader problems that warrant holding off on upgrading production systems. With both of my servers now serving important roles, I can no longer risk testing potentially unstable versions so I hold off on upgrading. I suspect many others are in the same position. A major part of the problem seems to be the reduced visibility and participation in beta and RC testing phases. These threads are now somewhat hidden under the Bug Reports section, making it unlikely that new or casual users will stumble upon them. Unless a user is keeping up on the Unraid News blog (which frankly we all should but I'm not sure this is realistic), they probably have no idea these pre-releases exist. In the past, pre-release threads were posted prominently in Announcements, encouraging broader testing. Combining that visibility pain point with the current licensing model, which doesn't support dedicated test environments without a full license, community engagement in pre-release testing has understandably declined. I've never signed up for the Trial but I have to assume it is one time use per account so this obviously wouldn't work either. To help improve on these issues, I propose a few ideas: Move the Prereleases back to the Announcements area, leave the Bug tracking subforum where it is to collect feedback Unraid offer a limited-use full license specifically for testing new releases, valid only during a beta/RC cycle. Perhaps it could expire at the end of these cycles? This could allow spare systems to be used for quick tests, VMs, etc. Put specific language in the OP asking users to post their hardware specs and upgrade outcomes in release threads (or capture in their signatures). This will help identify patterns and build trust among potential upgraders. Unraid has always thrived through a strong community partnership—revitalizing that effort now could really benefit both users and developers. Just as an example, this is how I shared my last result from my move from 7.0 to 7.1.4. Example: Status Hardware Plugins Upgrade path: 7.0 --> 7.1.4 All docker containers and plugins running Syslog is clean System stable so far M/B: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. Version 0614 CPU: Intel i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz MEMORY: 32GB DDR4 NIC (bonded): Onboard (Intel I219V) Dell Mellanox CX322A Connectx-3 Storage Controllers: Onboard 2x PCI-E ASM1166 (8 port) 1x M.2 ASM1166 (6 port) Appdata Backup CA Auto Update Applications CA Cleanup Appdata Community Applications Disk Location Dynamix Cache Directories Dynamix Schedules Dynamix System Information Dynamix System Temperature Fix Common Problems FolderView2 Intel GPU TOP Parity Check Tuning Python 3 for UNRAIDRecycle Bin Sanoid for unRAID 6/7 ssh Plugin Tips and Tweaks Tmux Terminal Manager (TTM) Unassigned Devices Unassigned Devices Plus Unassigned Devices Preclear User Scripts ZFS Master for Unraid

Wholeheartedly agree. Some of these comments I would expect in the path of exile release threads but not here... Historically, Unraid and the community has always been a mutualistic relationship. Unraid does their best to deliver, the community steps in to pull it apart and find issues that need to be resolved because of the massively diverse hardware base. I personally use recycled but dated hardware because I know it is track record proven to be stable and I don't have to worry much about it. Newer users may not understand that because they're coming from bigger (and usually more restrictive) software suites but that's how it has always been here. If you're unsure of a new release, and there isn't any specific security reasons to accelerate an upgrade, then you don't lose much by holding back on upgrade. Don't let FOMO take over. Have we learned nothing from the lessons that Nvidia and AMD drivers have taught us over the past 15+ years? 🤣 In an effort to stop flooding this thread with logistical issues unrelated to 7.1.4, I have created a new Forum Feedback thread that maybe we can all take this convo to:https://forums.unraid.net/topic/191420-suggestions-for-addressing-the-lack-of-confidence-in-recent-releases/

Don't cherry pick a single line from one of my posts; read the others as well and leave the snark at the door. Unraid/limetech has always relied on the community to actively beta test in an effort to fill these gaps and prep for the major/minor releases. However, they've shot themselves in the foot by relocating the beta/rc threads and moving to the new license model so there is barely any participation now. It's absolutely impossible for a company so small to be able to test a wide variety of hardware which is one of the core reasons I and many others are using Unraid in the first place...hardware freedom. However, with being able to have complete control over the hardware we use, we must also accept that there's going to be risk towards compatibility and stability.

Absolutely and completely agree but I highlighted additional issues with this exact problem in the 7.1.3/7.1.2 threads: The betas and RCs are currently buried in the Bug Reports sub area. I don't think the majority of users even realize it's there which means they're missing opportunities to have the option to help test. Back in the day, these releases were also kept here in this sub so it was very clear that you had the opportunity to engage in cutting edge releases. However, I suspect an attempt to control bug feedback lead to pushing these pre-release threads into the Bug sub forum. This leads to the other issue I highlighted... The current licensing model does not allow a user to effectively engage in testing unless they have a valid license which you would assume they are using for their production servers. I personally have 2 production servers and both now serve fairly important purposes so I can't use them for pre-releases or somewhat questionable official releases. The only way I've thought of helping is this new crusade I have to get adopters to share more meaningful system specs along with feedback when they participate in these official releases. I'm actually going to make a thread in a day or 2 in the forum feedback area (once I've really thought on this) to try to get some proper eyes on it and hopefully issue some meaningfully help and tamp down some of the negative posts I've seen lately about these releases.

We had a decent run of people posting their hardware specs at the start of the thread along with their experience, can we start that up again? Just stating you updated and it worked or you rolled back for reason X doesn't really help without knowing those details. It'll help earn confidence of potential upgraders along with helping to identify patterns of problematic hardware. You can copy/paste for future release threads or just save in your signature. You just have to go through the motion to document this first time then it's just copy and pasting/maintaining that block of details.

Installed on second server Status Hardware Plugins Upgrade path: 7.0 --> 7.1.4 All docker containers and plugins running Syslog is clean System stable so far M/B: Gigabyte C246M-WU4 BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. Version F4 CPU: Intel Xeon E-2174G CPU @ 3.80GHz MEMORY: 16GB DDR4 NIC: Onboard (Intel I210) - 1 port used Dell Mellanox CX322A Connectx-3 Storage Controllers: Onboard Appdata Backup CA Auto Update Applications CA Cleanup Appdata Community Applications Disk Location Dynamix Cache Directories Dynamix System Temperature Fix Common Problems Intel GPU TOP Recycle Bin Sanoid for unRAID 6/7 ssh Plugin Tips and Tweaks Tmux Terminal Manager (TTM) Unassigned Devices Unassigned Devices Plus Unassigned Devices Preclear User Scripts ZFS Master for Unraid

Mind taking a moment to share system specs of your systems? It could encourage a similar user to upgrade as well. I plan on doing my 2nd system today and listing results too (putting money where mouth is). Add to your signature afterwards to save time in the future from having to type them out each upgrade.

Installed on one server so far Status Hardware Plugins Upgrade path: 7.0 --> 7.1.4 All docker containers and plugins running Syslog is clean System stable so far M/B: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. Version 0614 CPU: Intel i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz MEMORY: 32GB DDR4 NIC: Onboard (Intel I219V) Dell Mellanox CX322A Connectx-3 Storage Controllers: Onboard 2x PCI-E ASM1166 (8 port) 1x M.2 ASM1166 (6 port) Appdata Backup CA Auto Update Applications CA Cleanup Appdata Community Applications Disk Location Dynamix Cache Directories Dynamix Schedules Dynamix System Information Dynamix System Temperature Fix Common Problems FolderView2 Intel GPU TOP Parity Check Tuning Python 3 for UNRAID Recycle Bin Sanoid for unRAID 6/7 ssh Plugin Tips and Tweaks Tmux Terminal Manager (TTM) Unassigned Devices Unassigned Devices Plus Unassigned Devices Preclear User Scripts ZFS Master for Unraid