comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) so i been transfering files from another hard drive.. and using krusader.. i have my one folder set to fill up and 20gib minimum.. and its set to included all disks.. but my disk space is under 100meg now.. then krusader goes stalled alot.. and then after a bit.. the the disk space starts going up 1.5gb 1.57gb and so on.. is this normal is unraid then moving the files to another drive since its below the 20gb does krusader bypass the Disk settings?? even when i copy to the user/<share> or is the mininum file space. only for SMB shares for windows? as i have 7 disks.. and krusader seemed to fill disk 1-3 filled my drive below 20gb and disk 1 right down to 100meg yet disk 7 is 12tb free and the 4-6 have like 500gb free so are my settings wrong.. or is it just krusader bypassing the safety settings? Edited August 27, 2021 by comet424 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, comet424 said: does krusader bypass the Disk settings?? Not if you are using user shares, but split level setting overrides allocation method. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) what does that mean it overrides allocation method? is it bypassing the settings then and ya i using the user share so /mnt/user/sisters files and i have it set to Fill up... and 20gb min.. should i have something else? does that mean split level needs to be something else? is that why it goes below the 20gb goes below 100meg then it re comes back up.. is it going below but then it comes back up as its moving to a different drive? is that why krusader goes stalled.... it cant write anymore... its constantly writting to disk 1 as its 23gb free filles it down to under 100meg min is 20gb then i guess goes stalled allot.. then i watch disk 1 slowly going up till stops around the 23gb free. is that all normal? as i still learning and understanding..... and is Fill up a good setting or should i be doing different setting i was trying to work on you dont need to spin up all the drives if i can fit stuff on 1 drive etc Edited August 27, 2021 by comet424 Quote Link to comment
itimpi Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, comet424 said: what does that mean it overrides allocation method? is it bypassing the settings then What this means is that the Split Level setting can cause the Minimum Free Space setting to be ignored if they would cause different drives to be selected. In other words the Split Level setting can force UnRaid to use a particular drive despite the fact there is not enough room, and so subsequently the transfer fails. If you are using the fill-up allocation level you almost certainly want the Split Level setting to say directories can always be split. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) oh ok .ya i left the default automaticlly split any directory as required.. there are other options i never know should i leave it on automatic or choose one of those other ones so question.. if i were to set minum to 50gb.. if i transfering like i mentioned above.. would it still go below 100 meg filling the drive up that full going below 50gb and then unraid then moves it off disk1 and onto the next drive? reason i ask is i was copying krusader yesterday and disk 3 had like 100gb free disk 4 had 100+ disk free well when copying to disk 1 went below 20gb then i saw disk 2 going down and it went below 20gb it was under 10gb and then i sawl disk 3 going down.. disk so right now my free space on disk 1 12gb disk 2 25gb disk 3 19.5 disk4 19.5 disk 5 851gb and the rest are higher so how come disk 1 3 4 not go back up over min 20gb as i watched earlier today.. disk 1 was going down fast below min 20gb when to under 100meg free then it was coming back up so figured its moving to the other drives but its still at 12gb how come it didnt pop up over 20gb .. is there another setting i should set? is there a best setting... and or is it always better to copy with windows.. where using the user samba share works better then using the user share in the krusader always learning.. is there a video or documentation on best practices kinda thing or what settings whats commonly set for if you were to use movies.. or your installation files documents.. i pretty much have all the folders i think 20gb min fill up and automaticlly split is that pretty much the best setting? trying to get unraid to smoothly as best as i can.. like all the advanced users get it running flawless and peak speeds Edited August 27, 2021 by comet424 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, comet424 said: if i were to set minum to 50gb.. if i transfering like i mentioned above.. would it still go below 100 meg filling the drive up that full going below 50gb and then unraid then moves it off disk1 and onto the next drive? Depends on the file size, any file larger than 50GB would still go to that disk and run out of space. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 ah so unraid has no true real minimum as you could copy documents that are 1 2kb size as example and fill it right down to 0 there is no true min 20gb dont go below 20gb ever or 50gb and then thats what i thought i saw it went down to under 100 meg but then it bounced back up over 20gb is that unraid doing it? it tried to fill it on disk 1 it got below 100 meg or what not and said it cant fit so moves to the next drive.. is that how that worked? learning something new everyday 🙂 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, comet424 said: ah so unraid has no true real minimum It has a real minimum, it just has no way of knowing the size o a file before the copy stars, if you have the minium set to 50GB, have 60GB free and start copying a 100GB file it will copy to that disk and run out of space, that's why you need to set the minium free space to about twice the maximum file size you expect to copy to that share, I seem to remember you already went over all of this with you. Quote Link to comment
itimpi Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 26 minutes ago, comet424 said: f i were to set minum to 50gb.. if i transfering like i mentioned above.. would it still go below 100 meg filling the drive up that full going below 50gb and then unraid then moves it off disk1 and onto the next drive? UnRaid never moves files between array drives - if the file will not fit after a drive is selected you get an out-of-space error. what is important is that the Minimum Free Space value is larger than your biggest file so that any single file is guaranteed to fit. When the free space drops below this value then the NEXT file will go to another drive. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) ah ok.. and ya i asked it a while ago about the minum setting.. your right. . but now i was dealing with krusader and watching Disk1 hit under 100 meg abites.. i was wondering if thats why it gets stalled i figured stalled ment it ran out of disk space and unraid was moving the file to the next drive and ya twice biggest file you could copy is say 10gb so i set to 20gb.. but it doesnt stop you copying say 10k of 1kb files or 2kb files and filling the drive down to 0kb maybe it was a krusader feature it was moving the file off disk 1 then moving to the next drive.. then it didnt fit right and moved to the next drive till it fitted,,, maybe thats what i was obbserving but in the end there is no way stop it from filling a drive right up down to the last 1kb if your copying documment files filling it up.. as you can still copy 50 gb of 1- 100k documents to a 20gb min share.. and it will fill that drive to under 100kb of free space i was hoping there was a feature if i set to 20gb free minum i could not be allowed ot even copy a 1 meg file.. thats it 20gb no more no less... so then if i tried to copy 1meg it says drive reached to min move to the next drive.. but i guess also that gives wiggle room for alterting files. guess i need to re reorganze files as my sister has documents ranging 1kb - 100 meg or so and she has 100gb or more so it still filled my disk 1 reason i was saying it goes below 100 meg free yet set to 20gb and then it comes back up and is at 12gb as i tried to keep all my drives above the min free of 20 gb probably need to play with settings i guess as i figured things would goto the 12TB disk free but really nothings copied over there yet and thats because of the unraid doesnt know what the file size is ahead of time.. how come it cant see it but windows can? windows will tell you always cant copy not enough disk space.. Edited August 27, 2021 by comet424 Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 oh i had another scenerio question so if you have a file thats say 10GB your folder is set to min 20gb ,, your actual free space is 5gb free.. now if i change that 10gb file to 25gb say it was a PDF just as an example does unraid move that file to a different drive? as the file increased 15gb or would it say out of diskspace? how does that work Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, comet424 said: but it doesnt stop you copying say 10k of 1kb files or 2kb files and filling the drive down to 0kb It does if using the user shares, not with disk shares, once you past the minium free space set it won't start copying anything to that disk, unless like mentioned the split setting is making it go there. 4 minutes ago, comet424 said: your folder is set to min 20gb ,, your actual free space is 5gb free.. now if i change that 10gb file to 25gb say it was a PDF just as an example does unraid move that file to a different drive? as the file increased 15gb or would it say out of diskspace? how does that work It would run out of space, once a file is on an array disk it will never be moved by Unraid to a different one. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 ah ok so its not 100% fool proof and i use the user share in krusader /unraid_shares/<share folder name> so not using disk shares still copying to the user share i just was hoping it wouldnt go below 20gb no matter what it reached 20gb and it should moved to the next drive.. soo all my drives then should be 20 20 20 20 free space.. and then least id have headroom for file modification but copying the 100 gb or so of documents of 1k-100meg filled disk 1 down like i mentioned to under 100meg and now i at 12gb free.. is unraid_shares is it considered a user share or a disk share then in krusader? maybe its not considered a user share.. i just trying to make it fool proof incase i not around and somone needs to copy say 100gb of documents raging 1kb-100meg it doesnt keep filling disk1 as disk 1 is now 12gb free but 20gb min because if id edit anything in windows and the file is on disk 1 ill keep getting out of disk space then since you said unraid wont move a file.. i wanted it fool proof if i cant do moving files to a different disk with krusader when it goes below the min 20gb etc i guess the only thing is set documents or sisters files to Disk 1 move everything off disk 1 to a different disk.. guess thats what i gotta do set her stuff to her own drive on the array this way nothing else can cause it go below and her stuff cant cause my other drives to go below either more tweaking to play with.. i appreciate all the input so far.. always learning 🙂 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, comet424 said: still copying to the user share i just was hoping it wouldnt go below 20gb no matter what it reached 20gb and it should moved to the next drive.. soo all my drives then should be 20 20 20 20 free space.. and then least id have headroom for file modification It won't if it's correctly configured, I never used Krusader but as long as you're really using user shares it will respect the minimum free space for that share. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 oh ok.. do you or is there a correctly configured setup examples? ah i use Krusader as i saw space invader uses.. and when my sister gives me files on a drive it was easy to put it into the server used krusader off it .. was was quicker then trying to plug into my windows machine and then move the files off external enclosure over the network to the array.. i just found krusader was easier and i could set it and forget it as its working on its own what do you use for file transfering on the unraid between unassigned drives and array.. and any pics you could share that shows properly configured user shares. so i can see i doing right or where i should fix... .. always learning.. i learn something new everyday 🙂 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, comet424 said: what do you use for file transfering on the unraid between unassigned drives and array. Usually rsync or midnight commander (mc on the console), but Krusader will work the same, if used correctly. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 ah ok rysnc i not that good at mc ok reminds me of pcanywhere and krusader what i used thats how i started this cuz i was sure krusader moves all the files to disk 1 brings drive from 20gb free min to under 100meg free and then i guess it moves the files to the next free space drive i dunno if i know how to configure it right so if i copying a 1 meg file to the array in krusader and if disk 1 says 20gb free 20gb min that it can no longer copy that 1 meg file to Disk 1.. it has to move to the next disk but for now.. i using unbalance and move my sisters files to the 1 drive 12tb free.. her stuff was across 5 disks i didnt have the disk space till about week ago when i added the 12tb to the array.. so i can sort drives now... 🙂 thanks for helping so far.. i appreciate it.. as i just guess sometimes when google searches dont always help Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I just tested Krusader and as expected it works like the other ones, I coped a small pdf to share set to 100GB minimum free space an it went to disk2: Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) so then that means my user share not set right? since i was at like say 40gb free.. min set is 20gb and it went under 100meg and is at 12gb? here is screen shot.. the only thing i changed is Disk 7.. before it was set to All because when i was copying like i said 50gb of files of 1kb - 100 meg in file size it just ripped it down there.. but then i watched Free Space slowly going like 1gb 1.2gb till it hit 12gb free... is my setting wrong then? that when you hit 20gb free/min it has to automacitlly goto next drive so like the 2 disks theey are at 19.5 i using unbalance to move to disk 7 so my disk 1 doesnt show the 12gb free.. i wonder if there should be a different option.. instead a Min Folder/Disk if there be a Minum Disk min space so Disk 1 cant go below 20gb Disk 2 cant go below 100gb but thats fine.. is my settings wrong i was only using krusader to copying from unnasigned drived to unraid_shares/mitchs files and thats how it went far below but her files are not all that big... i wish i had a video t oshow it was above 20gb min then it went right down to below 100meg then went back up now i cant recreate what i was seeing.. then you could told me your crazy or ur right or.. thats hows its supposed to be working... as i have a hard time with my dislexia way i explain it others dont understand what i saying without me showing.. as it sounds right way i explaining but i confuse others Edited August 27, 2021 by comet424 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Are are you copying from/to within Krusader? Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 i was copying from Unassigned Drive to the array in Krusader so i borrowed my sisters unraid hard drive .. i selected the folders from the left and i copied it to the right... to the array so unassigned drive to array and thats where i was seeing disk space would hit 100 meg then it would then work disk 2 to goto like 2gb free... i didnt watch if it also went to 100meg i cant remember now.. but then it eventually started going back up.... and krusader would lots of times stick to "stalled" and not copy anymore i figured it was not able to leave the file there so it buffered it to the next drive..... since my sister lives a couplr hours drive and she brought her hard drive so i found it faster then my 5megabit internet.. but thats what i found.. it just took the free space below the min... especially the documents took it down.... i never tried move. just the copy and chose write into not overwrite as i already had some of her files... so i wanted to finish the transfer as she givesm e files every so often meet her half way to transport hope it helps ive done a couple reboots of my unraid since last night .. i figured maybe the going below 20gb min was a glitch that i had hit 100meg free so i couldnt give a diagnostic file anyways.. but thats my current copying i was doing last night Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 If unraid_shares is mapped to /mnt/user in the docker any data you copy to Mitchs Files will go to disk1 until there are less than 20GB free, then it will go to disk2, and so on. Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) so would the reason it was now stuck at 12gb free is because 1 file was still big brought it below 20gb and left ti at 12gb.. but the other files brought it down to 100 megs free and then moved to disk 2 3 and so on... cuz i not 100% sure it was working right then as it shouldnt gone down to 100 megs free.. i wish i had screen shots or videos.. as im sure you think i crazy .. but since now i moving things with unbalance i cant re create what i was experiencing.. i should taken pics... its like you experiencing computer problems you take to the computer store to them them show them it doesnt happen say way and they say your crazy there is no issues..... cuz least i could shown and then ud say yes working right or not it should never hit 100 meg free then go up to 12gb free and move to the next drive would it been if it was copying a file say 100gb and it was copying to 20gb free and went down to 100meg and then said opps too big then moved to next drive or it sees 100gb file and 40gb free and 20gb min it wont fit move to next drive.. i just dont understand how it could gone to 100 meg or less i cant remember if i saw it goto less 100 meg i just remember 100 meg free and now it was 12gb free.. sorry i cant explain it better.. i know i crazy and its working fine how it should you say... next time i taking more pics and a video if i can then i can get told if its working right or not Edited August 27, 2021 by comet424 Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, comet424 said: so would the reason it was now stuck at 12gb free Disk1 has 135GB free according to your screenshot Quote Link to comment
comet424 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 thats because i mentioned above yur screen shot post i using Unbalance to move files to disk7 to try to make it so like my sisters files are on 1 drive not 6, and unable to recreate the issues now.. when i wrote the help this morning Disk 1 had 12.1gb free this morning at time of starting this post... hopefully with me moving files with unbalance.. and me setting all the drives to split automatic and 20gb min it solves it all as i trying to sort my drives now to fit certain things on 1 drive not span it over all the drives so thats why it looks like 135gb unbalance is running moving files from 6 disks to Disk 7... as i just added the 12tb free space drive last week to the array.. and figured may unbalance fix this.. going down to 100meg.. like i mentioned i wish i had screen shots.. no one ever believes you unless you got screen shots Quote Link to comment
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