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12 hours ago, Frank1940 said:

The CPU upgrade should solve the transcoding problem.  However, as I recall, you definitely want to move away from those AOC_SASLP-MV8 cards as they often have problems with newer hardware.  There is a hardware section of this forum.  You should also look at turning on the 'Signatures' of many posters on this forum.  (   Click on your user name at top of page   >>>   Account Settings   >>>    Signature     Then slide on the "View Signature" button.  )  That will show the range of hardware used by many posters and you can often deduce from their posting what they are using that hardware to do.

 

You can also post in the Plex support thread and ask about CPU requirements for transcoding of 4K material.  (I also believe that transcoding can be off-loaded to some GPU's which is a real plus!)

Thank you for the reply!

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With E-bay and LSI cards, you are buying the vendor.  Look at the Vendor's reputation.  See what his policy is on returns.  You could ask a question of him to see what his response is and how quickly

The next full version will recognize the controllers & the drives connected to each controller and will perform simultaneous tests on differing controllers. A Drive Map plugin I'm working on

If you can still edit the wiki please change the 9207-8i to working ootb.

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On 7/30/2019 at 7:07 PM, JorgeB said:

This one should work with the standard AHCI driver, though usually don't work very well because of the port multipliers.

 

That is indeed the case. Here's my story of trying the

 

"PCIe 2.0 X4 to SATA III 6-Port Adapter Card (ASM Chipset) for IPFS Mining - Model SU-SA3006.V1"

 

card in my new server. It first seemed to "work" as far as it was capable of detecting and reading from disks. However, as soon as I tried to write to the array, it started producing an ever more frequent series of errors which made me believe that I had bad disks. This is just a small excerpt of the logs:

 

Jan 15 02:28:33 pstore kernel: ata7.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
Jan 15 02:28:33 pstore kernel: ata7.00: failed command: FLUSH CACHE EXT
Jan 15 02:28:33 pstore kernel: ata7.00: cmd ea/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 18
Jan 15 02:28:33 pstore kernel:         res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
Jan 15 02:28:33 pstore kernel: ata7.00: status: { DRDY }
Jan 15 02:28:33 pstore kernel: ata7: hard resetting link
Jan 15 02:28:34 pstore kernel: ata7: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
Jan 15 02:28:39 pstore kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0x27)
Jan 15 02:28:39 pstore kernel: ata7.00: failed to read native max address (err_mask=0x4)
Jan 15 02:28:39 pstore kernel: ata7.00: HPA support seems broken, skipping HPA handling
Jan 15 02:28:39 pstore kernel: ata7.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
Jan 15 02:28:39 pstore kernel: ata7: hard resetting link
Jan 15 02:28:39 pstore kernel: ata7: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
Jan 15 02:28:45 pstore kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef)
Jan 15 02:28:45 pstore kernel: ata7.00: failed to enable AA (error_mask=0x4)
Jan 15 02:28:45 pstore kernel: ata7.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
Jan 15 02:28:45 pstore kernel: ata7: limiting SATA link speed to 3.0 Gbps
Jan 15 02:28:45 pstore kernel: ata7: hard resetting link
Jan 15 02:28:45 pstore kernel: ata7: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 320)
Jan 15 02:29:00 pstore kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef)
Jan 15 02:29:00 pstore kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4)
Jan 15 02:29:00 pstore kernel: ata7.00: disabled
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: ata7: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 320)
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: ata7: EH complete
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#20 UNKNOWN(0x2003) Result: hostbyte=0x04 driverbyte=0x00
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#20 CDB: opcode=0x88 88 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 08 00 00
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 64
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: md: disk1 read error, sector=0
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#22 UNKNOWN(0x2003) Result: hostbyte=0x04 driverbyte=0x00
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#22 CDB: opcode=0x35 35 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 2930303272
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: md: disk1 write error, sector=2930303208
Jan 15 02:29:01 pstore kernel: print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 2930303264

 

After replacing all cables and two drives to no avail, I remembered that I had another cheap multiport SATA card lying around, and lo and behold: no more errors! The present card is a PCE8SAT-M01 (around $20 from Aliexpress) which I thought would be even crappier than the 6-port. It only has one PCIe lane so I wasn't surprised that it only transfers around 430 MB/sec (six "old"/PMR WD Red drives) - but at least it does that without conking out!

 

 

If you're interested in some technical background, I found an excellent article on its performance:

 

8 Port SATA on a PCIE 1x lane

 

While I'm waiting for a card with a bit more "oomph", this cheap controller is serving me well to keep the server running until then.

 

 

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Hey I've got a gigabyte z390 board with an i9 and it seems that one of the on board sata ports has died. I changed cables and bought  new drive and gets to about 12-14% of copying back from the parity and it fails and then drive goes to disabled.  

 

I'm after a 6 to 8 port sata card. Still new to this just after a card I can just plug in and go. 

 

Any help be appreciated 

 

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I'm running Unraid 6.8.3 right now with plans to upgrade to 6.9.0 once I rebuild a drive that died.  I'm on AMD, specifically a 3600x on X570.

 

I came to this thread last year and ended up picking up a AOC-SASLP-MV8 card off eBay to add some more drives, but I'm seeing a few threads and posts recommending against them.  I just need to add 4 SATA ports and had alrady picked up some of the SFF-8087 breakout cables.

 

Should I go ahead with the AOC-SASLP-MV8 or find something else?  Also the Firmware_3.1.0.15n.zip in the first post is also not working.

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56 minutes ago, axipher said:

Should I go ahead with the AOC-SASLP-MV8 or find something else?  Also the Firmware_3.1.0.15n.zip in the first post is also not working.

Personally, I would pick up another card.  Those SASLP cards have proven to be troublesome in Unraid servers.  It is not that they absolutely refuse to work.  It is that they seem to be working and then barf.  

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On 3/6/2021 at 6:57 PM, Frank1940 said:

Personally, I would pick up another card.  Those SASLP cards have proven to be troublesome in Unraid servers.  It is not that they absolutely refuse to work.  It is that they seem to be working and then barf.  

 

Thanks for the reply.  Looking at the thread below, I think I'm looking at picking up maybe a LSI 9211-8I mostly because it's just for connecting some spinning 12 TB hard drives and I already have the SFF-8087 to SATA fan-out cables.

 

 

Would that be a good choice?

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, axipher said:

Thanks for the reply.  Looking at the thread below, I think I'm looking at picking up maybe a LSI 9211-8I mostly because it's just for connecting some spinning 12 TB hard drives and I already have the SFF-8087 to SATA fan-out cables.

 

 

Would that be a good choice?

 

I looked at this listing for this card and I suspect that it is a RAID card and does not support IT-MODE which is optimal for Unraid.  I am going to ping @JorgeB who is more of an expert in this card than I am.  If it is a RAID card, it can be flashed with the IT Mode Firmware.  (The LSI chips can be used in a number of different modes depending on the firmware.  While LSI was selling these models, they had a number of different models (that all used the same chip set) with different firmware on them.  This causes great confusion in the market place as vendors tend to use the most popular mode numbers regardless of the firmware!)

 

By the way, many folks actually purchase these cards off of E-bay.  There are some very good bargains there.  Search there site for 'LSI card' and if you want already flashed to 'IT MODE' add that as a parameter.  Remember on E-bay you are buying the vendor as much as the product!  By the way, the used cards are an excellent option.  They are usually being pulled from servers that were in Server farms and they were actually made by LSI unlike most the LSI cards being sold today as new today.  (LSI will sell the chip sets to anyone and many Chinese companies are 'cloning' the old cards to produce 'lookalikes'!)

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10 hours ago, CobraPL said:

My MOBO will have one PCIe4.0 X1 port available. Any compatible SATA controller working with unRAID?

 

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hello everyone.

I am still new to unraid. 

I have a rig with an ASUS TUF Gaming H470-PRO, 16Gb RAM, i5-11500. The main purpose is PLEX, back-up and a few Docker containers.

I live in Germany so I have to source my parts from the EU market to avoid customs and taxes (really jealous on US guys). 

My MB has 5 sata ports. 

2 are taken by the SSDs and 2 by two HDD. 

I plan now to shuck 2-3 more WD drives to get some extra storage and I am running out of sata ports. 

I could change the SSDs to NVMes, but those are 10-12euros per piece more, and in case of failure, harder to debug. 

So I am looking now at a SAS HBA board, but I am a bit confused. 

Case can handle 12 x 3.5 HDDs  + 2 SSDs, so I am trying to see what I can do to upgrade, and hopefully be also prepared for future expansions, when I run out of my case and then try to add a secondary case for storage. 

 

As mentioned, I am still novice. 

I was thinking to get a LSI 9211-8i for the beginning. Found some nice ones for 50 Euros used. Then when I need more space I would get a SAS extender like this: https://www.ebay.de/c/15028012781?iid=143056442454 or similar and then route the extra SAS connections to another case for extra HDDs. 

 

Now my questions: 

Will this work well or will the hard-drives be limited in speed due to the 9211-8i being on a PCIe 2.0 bus? Should I spend 120 Euros for a 9207-08i as it is PCIe 3.0? 

Will daisy chaining the SAS extenders reduce the speed the drives can be access by a lot? I think this would generally be ok except for parity rebuild/checks :)

 

thank you.

 

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13 minutes ago, Emanuel87 said:

Will this work well or will the hard-drives be limited in speed due to the 9211-8i being on a PCIe 2.0 bus?

There is plenty of bandwidth with a PCIe 2.0 card for HDDs.  I have the Dell H310 which is a clone of the LSI 9211-8i and it is not a performance bottleneck.

 

PCIe 2.0 provides 500 MB/s for each PCIe lane so in an x8 slot it provides 4000 MB/s theoretical total.  Assume around 20% overhead and actual bandwidth available will be 3200 MB/s or about 400 MB/s per drive.  This is more than enough for an HDD where the upper limit is around 200 MB/s.  For this reason, some even put these cards in an x4 slot and still do not feel bandwidth constrained.

 

You wont get the full speed of which an SSD is capable, but, it is recommended to attach SATA SSDs to motherboard SATA ports as these cards do not support SSD TRIM but motherboard ports do

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thank you. 

do you have also an idea about the SAS expanders? 

will the SAS connection be the limiting factor? could I daisy chain the expanders in case I plan to go 24 drives? 

or would it be smart to put an expander on each of two outputs of 9211?

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4 minutes ago, Emanuel87 said:

do you have also an idea about the SAS expanders? 

You can see here for some numbers, you can daisy chain, bottleneck or not depends on the models used and number of drives.

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I just need a confirmation before buying a sata card!

My motherboard has the following slots.

My GPU is on slot number 4

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I need at least two more ports for array mechanical disks and the price should be less than €22 to avoid customs charges (extra >€20).

I found this card IBM H1110 for €19

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-PERC-H200-H310-LSI-9207-8I-FW-P20-9211-8I-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID/124518659637?hash=item1cfde3f635:g:8lwAAOSwzM5f9-4E

 

Is it going to work?

(I know I also need a SFF-to-SATA cable)

Any other recommendation for less than €22?

 

 

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don't buy from China. they are usually fake especially when talking about older ICs.

go for a part from EU and pay a fair price. A 9211-8i is around 45 Euros in EU. a 9207-8i is around 80-90Euros. 

if you buy a counterfeit, you risk breaking your mb or end up with a 22Euros paperweight. 

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i just bought one from Ebay from italy. the guy seems to have more, but give me a day to test mine out before buying: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Controller-SAS-D2607-A21-LSI9211-8i-Flash-in-IT-Mode-CAVO-SAS-4-porte-SATA/274744468973?hash=item3ff80be5ed:g:5yAAAOSwnEFf7a0P 

 

ebay germany allows you to filter for products which are within EU: 

https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=lsi+9211-8i&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=3

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31 minutes ago, karateo said:

Can you recommend a specific shop in the EU? (Maybe PM if it is against the rules)

With E-bay and LSI cards, you are buying the vendor.  Look at the Vendor's reputation.  See what his policy is on returns.  You could ask a question of him to see what his response is and how quickly he answers you.  Look to see how long he has been a E-bay vendor. 

 

There are a lot of the older LSI cards that are advertised as 'New'.  Well that is a sure sign that they are counterfeit!   (LSI has 'disappeared' as a separate company several years ago.  You can find online that the rights now belong to Broadcom.  You can find what they currently make here:    https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage   )

 

However, Broadcom apparently still sells those older chip sets and several(?)  Chinese companies have copied the design of the older LSI boards (right down to the paper labels used on the genuine cards)!   These boards are usually  referred to as counterfeit as the true origin is being concealed.   And no one has any idea what the quality level of these cards are.  (Remember that while  genuine LSI chips are (probably) used, everything else is sourced elsewhere.)  Some of these manufacturers may produce a quality product but without his identifying marking on the board, there is no way for a average consumer to figure out what he is getting!   An long term E-bay vendor, with a reputation to protect, will be vetting his sources carefully to protect it.  

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thank you Frank for the explanation. I stay with eBay as I have buyer's protection guarantee and in the worst case, if I have to ship the product back PayPal Germany pays for return shipping in this cases up to 25€ (or at least it did a few years ago)

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On 4/13/2021 at 7:15 PM, Emanuel87 said:

i just bought one from Ebay from italy. the guy seems to have more, but give me a day to test mine out before buying: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Controller-SAS-D2607-A21-LSI9211-8i-Flash-in-IT-Mode-CAVO-SAS-4-porte-SATA/274744468973?hash=item3ff80be5ed:g:5yAAAOSwnEFf7a0P 

 

@karateo I have just checked the card and it works.

The seller seems to sell a lot of server hardware. The board looks used, even one of the fins of on the LSI chip cooler looks a bit banged, but the board runs.

and at 45 Euros I'm happy with what I paid.  

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Thanks for your report!

Unfortunately there are no more available from the same seller.

 

I will search for similar items and try my luck! Paypal offers some security and the price is low so it's not a big problem.

 

Thank you anyway!

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