Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Just checking to see if anyone thinks the hardware I bought should do the trick for a new build. My old one is on the way down. Don't need suggestions, just whether this will work or not. Already got the hardware so let me know if anything won't work. Norco 4220 Case http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BQY39SO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00 ASRock ATX DDR3 1333 LGA 1150 Motherboards Z97 EXTREME6 Mobo http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K6JKRIA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00 Intel Pentium Processor G3220 3.0 GHz LGA 1150 BX80646G3220 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EF1G9DW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01 Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB Kit (4GBx2) DDR3 1600 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006WAGGUK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00 2 of These: IO Crest 4 Port SATA III PCI-e 2.0 x1 Controller Card http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AZ9T3OU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00 Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Since you've "Already got the hardware" the build should work fine. The only things I'd have suggested differently would be to use a CPU with a bit more "horsepower" and to get SATA cards aren't going to limit the bandwidth to your drives [a 4-port card on a single PCIe lane will slow down parity checks and drive rebuilds, assuming you're using modern high areal density drives]. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thanks Gary for the quick reply. As for the CPU I didn't think it made much different to me, I just use Unraid as a movie server and I'm not uploading to it all that much. If you think it's worth it I can get these today, what would you recommend? http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&dd=85-yU8GNljKyaxUvPzl_OA%2C%2C&ie=UTF8&qid=1433443275&sr=1-5&keywords=intel+1150 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-4130-FCLGA-Processor-BX80646I34130/dp/B00EUUKVXM/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&dd=85-yU8GNljKyaxUvPzl_OA%2C%2C&ie=UTF8&qid=1433443275&sr=1-6&keywords=intel+1150 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-4150-Processor-Cache-BX80646I34150/dp/B00J2LIF2S/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&dd=85-yU8GNljKyaxUvPzl_OA%2C%2C&ie=UTF8&qid=1433443275&sr=1-7&keywords=intel+1150 The part you said about the Sata card confuses me. The Mobo has 10 on board Sata and I need at least 18 ports. Most my drives are 1Tb and 3 are a few years old 4tb and I'm adding 3 new 4tb drives. So I'm not sure what you would recommend to expand my need for more sata ports? TIA. Link to comment
HellDiverUK Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Pick up a used IBM M1015/LSI 9240-8i with some forward breakout cables - one card will run 8 drives at full speed. Flash on the IT formware, job done. Those little SATA cards you were looking at are toys. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 @HellDriverUK, thanks for the suggestion. I prefer something I don't have to mess around with, firmware and such. But I get what you're saying. Is there anything off the shelf I can use? I'm new to the whole SAS thing and don't know much about it, but I'm guessing I want a card that has 2 SAS ports and then I'll use a breakout cable to connect my SATA drives?? What about these, will one of these work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792&cm_re=sas_card-_-16-101-792-_-Product http://www.amazon.com/HighPoint-RocketRAID-2720SGL-8-Port-PCIe/dp/B0050SLTPC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1433444671&sr=8-3&keywords=sas+card http://www.amazon.com/PCI-Express-Controller-Components-Rocket-2720SGL/dp/B007EM7N98/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1433444671&sr=8-16&keywords=sas+card TIA. Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I just tend to always go for extra "headroom" with the CPU -- i.e. more "horsepower" than you need is always better than not quite enough You never know just what you might want to do in the future. The Pentium G3220 you listed scores 3191 on PassMark's excellent "CPUMark" benchmark. The i3's you listed all score ~ 5000, so they would provide a very nice extra bit of "headroom" just in case you ever need it. Specifically, the i3-4130 scores 4796, the 4150 scores 4919, and the 4160 scores 5049. Any of those would be an excellent choice. As for the add-in SATA ports. The card you listed is a PCIe x1 card ... so it only uses one "lane" of the PCIe bus. It's a v2 card, so that means its max bandwidth is 500MB/s ... which, with 4 drives connected, limits those drives to 125MB/s each (and the actual performance is generally lower than that). Modern drives with 1TB platters can easily exceed 200MB/s on their outer cylinders; so this card would limit the performance of those drives when multiple drives were busy at the same time (e.g. during parity sync, parity check, or drive rebuild operations). A better choice for adding SATA ports would be an 8-port card with an x4 or x8 interface => this would let it use 4 or 8 lanes of the PCIe bus. The SuperMicro SAS2LP-MV8 is a popular card that has an x8 interface that will easily support 8 drives at full speed: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792 Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Any of the cards you listed will work fine [The first one is the same card I just suggested ] Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 You'll also need breakout cables if you buy the SAS2LP-MV8 => two of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116097 Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 @Gary. oops I listed the one you both suggested. Sorry. I like to buy from amazon so I can get it quickly with no shipping. Thanks for the HELP, really! I understand what you're both saying. Thanks for the cable suggestion too. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 I just thought of something I'm using a Norco Case, I don't have it yet so I'm not sure exactly, but it says "Five Internal SFF-8087 Mini SAS Connectors Support up to Twenty 3.5" or 2.5" SATA (II or III) or SAS Hard Drives" So I am assuming that the case comes with Five SAS breakout to 4 SATA Cables. So I'm assuming the case has 5 SAS ports on the backplane so if I'm using the Supermicro 2x SAS Port, would I only need TWO SAS to SAS cables? If so can you recommend one? I only ask cause from what I've read cheap cables are not the way to go. Thanks. Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 You're right -- if the case has SFF-8087 connections, you don't need breakout cables ... you just need SFF-8087 cables to go between the card and the connectors. You'll need reverse breakout cables to go from the SATA ports on the motherboard to the drive cage backplane. I'd wait until you actually have the case to be absolutely certain you get the right cables, but I THINK this is what you'll need: (1) To connect the MV8 card to 8 drives on the backplane, two of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133034 (2) To connect the motherboard SATA ports to the backplane, one of these for every 4 SATA ports [i.e. 3 of these to connect all 10 SATA ports}: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133033&cm_re=reverse_breakout_cable-_-16-133-033-_-Product Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ok figured it out. It doesn't come with any cable. It comes with 5 internal SAS Connectors. I have to supply the cables. So I'll buy 2 SAS to SAS Cables and 3 SAS to Sata Cables. Thanks for all the help. Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ok figured it out. It doesn't come with any cable. It comes with 5 internal SAS Connectors. I have to supply the cables. So I'll buy 2 SAS to SAS Cables and 3 SAS to Sata Cables. Thanks for all the help. Be sure the SAS to Sata cables are "reverse breakout" cables. A common mistake is to buy forward breakout cables ... which are NOT what you need. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ah, got it. Thanks. I called Norco and the guy said Reverse and above HellDriver said Forward, I get it now. SAS from HDD to Mobo: Reverse. SAS from Controller Card to SATA HDD: Forward. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thanks again for all the help. It's hard to sort all this stuff out when I really haven't messed with unraid for like 8 or more years. Is the RAM I picked sufficient since I've upgraded some of the components, speed and size? Link to comment
garycase Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The RAM's fine. If you want to be a little more "future proof" you might want to get 2 x 8GB instead of 2 x 4GB, but what you listed is plenty for what you've indicated you use the system for. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 This may not be the best place for it, but I figured I'll continue on this thread. So got everything built and up and running tonight, again thanks to all for the help. Got a couple of questions. I'm now running V6. When I started a new config it showed that I had new disks, which I did. I added 3 new 4tb drives. Now it already started a new partiy sync and asked me to format the new drives, which I did. When they were formated it showed they were 4TB, but only had 2TB free and 2 being used, which of course is impossible. So it stopped the parity sync and restarted the computer. When it booted back up it still showed that half of the new drives were in use. So I just started the parity sync again. So my two questions are why is it only showing the new 4tb as only half useful? Also why is it showing that an entirely new partiy sync will only take like 11 hours? Normally it takes like 3 DAYS to do a new parity sync or parity check. Is it becasue I'm now using real equipment, SAS, a faster computer and Unraid V6? Link to comment
garycase Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 11 hours sounds fine for a parity sync on good hardware with modern 1TB/platter drives. I have no idea why this is showing you already have 2TB used !! Post a screenshot of the main Web GUI page. Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 OK OK if you feel stupid raise your hand, my hand is raised. As I was taking the screen shot I noticed it said 1.99 GB not TB, LOL OOPS. My bad. It was super late last night and I was working hard to get the new unraid build, I was probably a little bleary eyed. So everything's well. Cool, glad to hear it. I always hated doing parity checks before as they took so long. Thanks again. Link to comment
garycase Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Glad all's well Obviously a GB or two is simply for the file system overhead in the formatting ... and won't make any real difference in what you can put on the remaining 3.998 TB of space Link to comment
Cartierusm Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 LOL yeah that I know. System run awesome now. Link to comment
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