New 2TB Hitachi 7k2000 - pre-clear fail & weird , rythmic sounds


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I've been trying to pre-clear the above disk for over a week now. Not every day, just on and off as I'm in no immediate hurry for more space. I'm using my "test" unraid server which behaves perfectly normally (and performed fine as my old, main unraid setup) so I've not reason to suspect anything odd with the hardware. I'm pretty sure I used it for my last pre-clear also (a 1.5TB disc) and I am already using one of these 2TB drives in my main server.

 

The preclear does not complete and the machine locks-up so I've been unable to grab a log. The furthest the pre-clear cycle got (that I saw) was 82% of stage 2. The disc also makes some strange sounds when not being written to during the pre-clear (just sounds 'normal' when being cleared). The sound is like a rapid (7-ish per second) 'scrape' every second or two. It's plenty loud enough to hear over the sound of my main unRAID box (12 discs and planty of fans!!!). The same sound occurs if I add to my Windows 7 machine. unRAID SMART report does not show "FAILURE" and a disc scan through Windows shows nothing. I can format the drive for access in both Windows and unRAID and can write to it..... BUT THAT SOUND JUST ISN'T RIGHT !!

 

Any ideas what I can do to test the drive further? Having never returned a HDD which did not show a SMART failure, it is reasonable for me to expect a RMA from Scan?    ???

 

Thanks all

;D

 

 

 

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Seems I'm unable to run a long SMART test. I'm going to try to RMA the disc

What symptoms do you get? when you attempt to run the long test what happens?

 

It will fail if you do not disable any spin-down timers.  (The test will abort when unRAID spins the disk down)

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Seems I'm unable to run a long SMART test. I'm going to try to RMA the disc

What symptoms do you get? when you attempt to run the long test what happens?

 

It will fail if you do not disable any spin-down timers.  (The test will abort when unRAID spins the disk down)

 

Spin down is disasbled. I've tried running from unmenu and also directly from the console. When I run form the console and add the argument to create the log on my flash drive it creates the text file (contents below). I am assuming the contents would update if and when the SMART test completes. I have tried a couple of times overnight, so was probably left to run for over 8 hours. ?

 

smartctl version 5.38 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION ===
Sending command: "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode".
Drive command "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful.
Testing has begun.
Please wait 255 minutes for test to complete.
Test will complete after Tue Apr 27 03:57:04 2010

Use smartctl -X to abort test.

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I am assuming the contents would update if and when the SMART test completes. I have tried a couple of times overnight, so was probably left to run for over 8 hours. ?

Your assumption is incorrect.

 

Your command requested that a "log" test be performed.  It is done internally on the disk.  The results are logged internally on the disk.  To see the results of the test you must wait the suggested length of time and then issue a request for a smart "status" report.  Since it has been over 8 hours, you can do that now.

 

Towards the bottom of the SMART status report will be a summary of the short and long tests requested recently and their results.

 

That section of the smart status report will look like this:

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1

Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error

# 1  Short offline      Completed without error      00%      8636        -

# 2  Short offline      Completed without error      00%      8636        -

# 3  Extended offline    Completed without error      00%        62        -

# 4  Short offline      Completed without error      00%        0        -

 

The "extended offline test" is the "long" test.

 

 

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Results are:

Statistics for /dev/sdb Hitachi_HDS72202_JK1131YAHP6T2V

smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sdb
smartctl version 5.38 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     Hitachi HDS722020ALA330
Serial Number:    JK1131YAHP6T2V
Firmware Version: JKAOA28A
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is:    Thu Apr 29 14:21:12 2010 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80)	Offline data collection activity
				was never started.
				Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
				without error or no self-test has ever 
				been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		 (22771) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
				Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
				Suspend Offline collection upon new
				command.
				Offline surface scan supported.
				Self-test supported.
				No Conveyance Self-test supported.
				Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
				power-saving mode.
				Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
				General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 255) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x003d)	SCT Status supported.
				SCT Feature Control supported.
				SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   086   086   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       120
 2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   132   132   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       104
 3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   143   143   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       519 (Average 491)
 4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   112   112   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       39
 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       111
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       20
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   230   230   000    Old_age   Always       -       26 (Lifetime Min/Max 14/49)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       111         -
# 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%       105         -
# 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%        96         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        90         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        28         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        27         -
# 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        13         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
   1        0        0  Not_testing
   2        0        0  Not_testing
   3        0        0  Not_testing
   4        0        0  Not_testing
   5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
 After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

 

.........but the scraping/grinding sound continues. Of all my other drives (20 in total i guess), none have this 'characteristic'. It's actually loud enough to hear in another room at night and the walls in my house are solid!

 

I'll start another preclear tonight to see if it completes........third time lucky....

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Results are:

Statistics for /dev/sdb Hitachi_HDS72202_JK1131YAHP6T2V

smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sdb
smartctl version 5.38 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     Hitachi HDS722020ALA330
Serial Number:    JK1131YAHP6T2V
Firmware Version: JKAOA28A
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is:    Thu Apr 29 14:21:12 2010 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80)	Offline data collection activity
				was never started.
				Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
				without error or no self-test has ever 
				been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		 (22771) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
				Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
				Suspend Offline collection upon new
				command.
				Offline surface scan supported.
				Self-test supported.
				No Conveyance Self-test supported.
				Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
				power-saving mode.
				Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
				General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 255) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x003d)	SCT Status supported.
				SCT Feature Control supported.
				SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   086   086   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       120
 2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   132   132   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       104
 3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   143   143   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       519 (Average 491)
 4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   112   112   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       39
 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       111
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       20
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   230   230   000    Old_age   Always       -       26 (Lifetime Min/Max 14/49)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       111         -
# 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%       105         -
# 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%        96         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        90         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        28         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        27         -
# 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        13         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
   1        0        0  Not_testing
   2        0        0  Not_testing
   3        0        0  Not_testing
   4        0        0  Not_testing
   5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
 After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

 

.........but the scraping/grinding sound continues. Of all my other drives (20 in total i guess), none have this 'characteristic'. It's actually loud enough to hear in another room at night and the walls in my house are solid!

 

I'll start another preclear tonight to see if it completes........third time lucky....

A scraping/grinding sound is never a good sign.  It indicates a mechanical problem. (lack of lubrication, etc)

 

RMA the drive.   

 

I'd be curious of the "Spin-Up Time parameter and its value next time.  I'd expect it to take longer and longer to spin up as the noise/friction gets worse.

 

Joe L.

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Preclear failed at some point again. Box was locked up so couldn't see how far it had got.

 

Ran another long SMART test, results below. No change I think.

 


SMART status Info for /dev/sdb

smartctl version 5.38 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     Hitachi HDS722020ALA330
Serial Number:    JK1131YAHP6T2V
Firmware Version: JKAOA28A
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is:    Fri Apr 30 08:19:21 2010 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80)	Offline data collection activity
				was never started.
				Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
				without error or no self-test has ever 
				been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		 (22771) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
				Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
				Suspend Offline collection upon new
				command.
				Offline surface scan supported.
				Self-test supported.
				No Conveyance Self-test supported.
				Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
				power-saving mode.
				Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
				General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 255) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x003d)	SCT Status supported.
				SCT Feature Control supported.
				SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   132   132   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       104
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   143   143   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       519 (Average 491)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       28
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   112   112   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       39
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       127
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       21
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       28
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       28
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   206   206   000    Old_age   Always       -       29 (Lifetime Min/Max 14/49)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%       125         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       111         -
# 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%       105         -
# 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%        96         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        90         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        28         -
# 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        27         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        13         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

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Preclear failed at some point again. Box was locked up so couldn't see how far it had got.

 

The SMART logs look ok.. even though you hear noise.

are you sure it is that drive and not something against a fan?

 

Now... if your machine is locking up there's a bigger problem.

Try purko's addition to the go script for troubleshooting.

 

http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=5976.msg60189

 

I would also switch to tty12 after you fire up the pre-clear.

If your box is locking up, there's another hardware issue coming into play here.

It's very rare for a linux box to freeze unless there is a hardware compatibility issue.

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Yes, I'm certain it's the drive making the noise. It does it regardless of which machine it is in. It's currently in my 'test' unraid box, which i also use for preclearing etc.

 

Not sure what you mean by tty12 but I'll search the forum.

 

Thanks

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Not sure what you mean by tty12 but I'll search the forum.

 

Put in purkos recommended go script changes for troubleshooting.

Then select the troubleshooting entry upon rebooting your unraid server.

After the machine boots up switch to TTY12 bby pressing ALT-F12 to switch to virtual terminal 12.

Press ALT-F1 to switch back to the first virtual terminal.

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