NewDisplayName Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Why are disks running which are unassigned and not used? Just a waste of energy. Please spin them automatic down. Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Is there any problem with my request? I cnat understand why unraid keeps these drives alive if they wont be used. I also dont have the unassigned plugin installed. So there is 110% no need to power these drives. Quote Link to comment
bonienl Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Why don't you assign these devices to the array? Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) As the problems with the new RCs startet (and we didnt got any information about that the issue is known) i thought its that drive, so i removed it from array. Its an old smal drive with mysterios sounds. Edited February 23, 2019 by nuhll Quote Link to comment
bonienl Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, nuhll said: Its an old smal drive with mysterios sounds. Sounds like it is unreliable, I would remove it from the system. Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Yes, that will happen long therm, shot therm i cant reach the server. so it needs to be unassinged. Still, i dont see a reason why unraid should keep unused disks running - if they are inside the array or not. Quote Link to comment
bonienl Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Any devices outside the array are not directly controlled by emhttp and do not have associated settings, like spin down delay. It is not a trivial exercise to include unassigned devices into the logic used for array devices, and normal use case is to assign devices to the array or cache once they are physically installed. Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Then, in first place, dont spin them up? Quote Link to comment
bonienl Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 At system startup, it is the linux kernel which spins up all devices, it needs to learn what is present. Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Hm. Dont know the best way to do it. But it should be fixed. Quote Link to comment
bonienl Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Nothing is broken ... Quote Link to comment
dlandon Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) IInstall the Unassigned Disks plugin and the disk should spin down. Edited February 23, 2019 by dlandon Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 hours ago, bonienl said: Nothing is broken ... No, working as intented, why save power! Unraid / Linux spins it up, but not down, complete logic. 8 hours ago, dlandon said: IInstall the Unassigned Disks plugin and the disk should spin down. Will try that. Quote Link to comment
NewDisplayName Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, dlandon said: IInstall the Unassigned Disks plugin and the disk should spin down. Is there a way to manually spin the disk up without restarting? Quote Link to comment
dlandon Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, nuhll said: Is there a way to manually spin the disk up without restarting? You can mount it. Quote Link to comment
BelgarionNL Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I want to use 2x old 2tb mybooks as a on-site backup of my more critical array data. but yea if it wont spin down I dont see that happening anytime soon. I get nuhll point of how it should be working because thats exactly how I want it to work too. Quote Link to comment
pappaq Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 1:40 AM, BelgarionNL said: I want to use 2x old 2tb mybooks as a on-site backup of my more critical array data. but yea if it wont spin down I dont see that happening anytime soon. I get nuhll point of how it should be working because thats exactly how I want it to work too. It won't be a backup, if you keep the disks connected to the system, even if they are spun down... Quote Link to comment
page3 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) On 4/1/2019 at 2:34 PM, pappaq said: It won't be a backup, if you keep the disks connected to the system, even if they are spun down... I don't get this comment. It's a backup. It may not be offsite, but it's definitely a backup! Anyway, I have a WD MyBook USB drive attached to my box for on-site backups. It's mounted via Unassigned Devices and backup is via Duplicati (with one backup kicking off each night). I want it spun down the rest of the time. I've found the following works: hdparm -B 127 /dev/sdb hdparm -S 12 /dev/sdb First command switches on power-management. Second sets spin down to 2 minutes. I've had the put these commands in /boot/config/go as they don't persist after a reboot. I've also found that viewing the webUI 'main' screen spins the disk back up, which is a shame but liveable with unless anyone can suggest a way to avoid this. Interestingly I have another drive attached in exactly the same way (Segate external) and this does spin down without any of this. It also doesn't spin up as the WD does when I view the web ui so the WD must be responding to something Unassigned Devices is sending. I hope this is helpful to the OP. Edited July 1, 2019 by page3 Quote Link to comment
pappaq Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 15 hours ago, page3 said: I don't get this comment. It's a backup. It may not be offsite, but it's definitely a backup! As long as the drives are physically connected to the server, the data is not secured against crypto viruses and other ransomware, so no backup. But do as you please. Quote Link to comment
page3 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, pappaq said: As long as the drives are physically connected to the server, the data is not secured against crypto viruses and other ransomware, so no backup. But do as you please. That an interesting observation and one I hadn’t considered. I swap between external drives, taking one offsite so the window of attack is lessoned, if not eliminated. I’ll have to consider if I change my backup practice, or if I’m willing to take the (small imho) risk. Thanks for the clarification. 1 Quote Link to comment
chris_netsmart Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 7/1/2019 at 5:50 PM, page3 said: I don't get this comment. It's a backup. It may not be offsite, but it's definitely a backup! Anyway, I have a WD MyBook USB drive attached to my box for on-site backups. It's mounted via Unassigned Devices and backup is via Duplicati (with one backup kicking off each night). I want it spun down the rest of the time. I've found the following works: hdparm -B 127 /dev/sdb hdparm -S 12 /dev/sdb First command switches on power-management. Second sets spin down to 2 minutes. I've had the put these commands in /boot/config/go as they don't persist after a reboot. I've also found that viewing the webUI 'main' screen spins the disk back up, which is a shame but liveable with unless anyone can suggest a way to avoid this. Interestingly I have another drive attached in exactly the same way (Segate external) and this does spin down without any of this. It also doesn't spin up as the WD does when I view the web ui so the WD must be responding to something Unassigned Devices is sending. I hope this is helpful to the OP. thanks for the insight as I am also geting the same issue with my unasigned drivers, which are WD REDS. I am also looking at a temp solution to backup my data as my main off site backup server is full, and I like your ideal, but I am looking at using a script command to copy the data over then using duplicti. Quote Link to comment
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