smakovits Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I am trying to upgrade some drives. I have some aging 2-3 tb drives that I am targeting as I am out of drive slots. I want to replace the best candidate. At 2 tb an 8tb is the smartest, but only if one of the 3tb is not for some reason a better target. Not sure if there is a simple report for this or not. Quote Link to comment
smakovits Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 ran a diagnostic to collect a SMART report etc. Looking at the reports and the power-on hours I have a few drives over 50 and 60k hours. One that even hits 70k. However, the thing that stuck out the most to me during review is the seagate drives. Every one of my ST3000 drives show crazy values across the board. My assumption is that it either has to be something with the drives and their firmware or the drives are really going bad, which would not actually surprise me. I am actually looking at an ST3000 that never got used and never made it into the server before going bad. I pre-cleared it and shelved it and now it is just bad. tower-diagnostics-20190312-1921.zip Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 hours ago, smakovits said: Every one of my ST3000 drives show crazy values across the board. I don't see any crazy values, they all look good to me, though it's a model known to fail a lot. Quote Link to comment
bcbgboy13 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Seagate has chosen to report some of the SMART attributes in a different way compared to the other HD manufacturers. In addition they report some attributes (with id# above 200) that no other manufacturer will report. So it is not direct apples to apples comparison and the RAW values that look crazy may and in your case are just normal. But if I was in your shoes I will also look at the max temperature a hard drive has run - it is usually way down in the SMART report. And in your case you have 5 HDs that were run at very high temperature at same time in the past - perhaps they shared 5in3 enclosure with a bad fan or a loose cable connection to the fan.... So here they are: sdq - 66 degC - ~69kh sdn - 65 - ~70.5kh sdc - 64 - ~59kh sdg - 59 - ~55.5kh sdk - 58 - ~50.5kh And when you replace a 2 or 3TB hard drive with 8TB one you will have spare 5-6 TB left - you can simply copy the content of 2 or 3 of these small aged drives, then zero them out and remove them from the array and you will end with more empty slots in your case (and perhaps save a tiny bit of electricity) Quote Link to comment
smakovits Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 hours ago, bcbgboy13 said: Seagate has chosen to report some of the SMART attributes in a different way compared to the other HD manufacturers. In addition they report some attributes (with id# above 200) that no other manufacturer will report. So it is not direct apples to apples comparison and the RAW values that look crazy may and in your case are just normal. But if I was in your shoes I will also look at the max temperature a hard drive has run - it is usually way down in the SMART report. And in your case you have 5 HDs that were run at very high temperature at same time in the past - perhaps they shared 5in3 enclosure with a bad fan or a loose cable connection to the fan.... So here they are: sdq - 66 degC - ~69kh sdn - 65 - ~70.5kh sdc - 64 - ~59kh sdg - 59 - ~55.5kh sdk - 58 - ~50.5kh And when you replace a 2 or 3TB hard drive with 8TB one you will have spare 5-6 TB left - you can simply copy the content of 2 or 3 of these small aged drives, then zero them out and remove them from the array and you will end with more empty slots in your case (and perhaps save a tiny bit of electricity) Thank you, yes, I believe that's what I called crazy, the raw values. In that case, if my seagates are ok for now (knock on wood), I was going to Target sdq and sdn as they have the most hours, are 2tb and have experienced high temps. As far as zeroing drives when replacing them, is that any different than the documented exclude from array/safe mode, copy off data, remove, reboot, start array and re-build parity? I was thinking of removing a few drives, so I was reviewing the process a little. First I must confirm the the supermicro backplane supports my shucked drive. Quote Link to comment
Frank1940 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, smakovits said: As far as zeroing drives when replacing them, is that any different than the documented exclude from array/safe mode, copy off data, remove, reboot, start array and re-build parity? Not really sure what you mean by 'zeroing' a drive. Moving everything off of the drive, so it looks 'empty', does NOT actually remove any data. It just modifies an entry in the file system tables to show that the drive sectors, where the data and the file system entry are still stored, are now available for reuse. That data will remain there until a new file is stored (overwriting the old data) on the drive. If you actually remove any of these older drives from the array, you will have to rebuild Parity! Edited March 13, 2019 by Frank1940 Quote Link to comment
smakovits Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 Gotcha, that's what I was thinking, but wanted to make sure. Thanks Quote Link to comment
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