kbowman Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I just set up my first unraid build and build it using a EARS drive with the jumper. Now I am hearing I needed to preclear the drive. Is this a big deal if the drive is new. Quote Link to comment
kizer Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Even more inportant since the drive is new. Do you truely trust your new drive? Its not really been in service so by preclearing its going to test your new drive in a way that it would never run. Several people in the past have said their brand new drives right out of the box have failed preclear and had to send their drives back for new ones. After I've successfuly ran preclear on all my drives I know they are going to serve me well and have since I've installed them. Cheap insurance Quote Link to comment
Joe L. Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Even more inportant since the drive is new. Do you truely trust your new drive? Its not really been in service so by preclearing its going to test your new drive in a way that it would never run. Several people in the past have said their brand new drives right out of the box have failed preclear and had to send their drives back for new ones. After I've successfuly ran preclear on all my drives I know they are going to serve me well and have since I've installed them. Cheap insurance Based on feedback in the pre-clear thread, somewhere between 1 out of 5 and 1 out of 10 drives seems to be defective out of the box. How valuable is your data to you? Do you think you're lucky? Serious users run each disk through 3 pre-clear cycles before using it in their server. (preclear_disk does not just clear the disk, but exercises it in a way intended to expose any physical or electrical weakness.) Yes, it takes time... but is a LOT easier replacing the drive before you put your data on it than after. Joe L. Quote Link to comment
kbowman Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 Thanks guys I will do it immediately Quote Link to comment
vca Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Even more inportant since the drive is new. Do you truely trust your new drive? Its not really been in service so by preclearing its going to test your new drive in a way that it would never run. Several people in the past have said their brand new drives right out of the box have failed preclear and had to send their drives back for new ones. After I've successfuly ran preclear on all my drives I know they are going to serve me well and have since I've installed them. Cheap insurance Based on feedback in the pre-clear thread, somewhere between 1 out of 5 and 1 out of 10 drives seems to be defective out of the box. How valuable is your data to you? Do you think you're lucky? Serious users run each disk through 3 pre-clear cycles before using it in their server. (preclear_disk does not just clear the disk, but exercises it in a way intended to expose any physical or electrical weakness.) Yes, it takes time... but is a LOT easier replacing the drive before you put your data on it than after. Joe L. I've done preclears now on about 7 of the WD 2TB green drives, these would take about 48 to 49 hours to do two preclear cycles. On the sixth drive the preclear took over 60 hours to do the first cycle and I gave up when it had got past 100 hours and the second pass was not yet done. I took that drive back and got a replacement which only took the normal 48 hours to do two preclear passes. For some reason the writes on this bad drive were a lot slower, but the reads seemed to be about the normal speed. I'm glad I didn't put that drive into my array as it would have slowed writes down a lot. The SMART reports did not show anything particularly bad about it, just it had a much higher load cycle count than the good drives did (like about 4000 versus 50 after the preclearing). Stephen Quote Link to comment
jeff.lebowski Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I've done preclears now on about 7 of the WD 2TB green drives, these would take about 48 to 49 hours to do two preclear cycles. On the sixth drive the preclear took over 60 hours to do the first cycle and I gave up when it had got past 100 hours and the second pass was not yet done. I took that drive back and got a replacement which only took the normal 48 hours to do two preclear passes. For some reason the writes on this bad drive were a lot slower, but the reads seemed to be about the normal speed. I'm glad I didn't put that drive into my array as it would have slowed writes down a lot. The SMART reports did not show anything particularly bad about it, just it had a much higher load cycle count than the good drives did (like about 4000 versus 50 after the preclearing). Stephen How do you describe the issue and go through the hoops of making sure it's actually needing RMA to the manufacturer? I've never sent back a hard drive. Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Just say that it fails SMART tests. Newegg and other retailers will accept that reason at face-value. Drive manufacturers may make you run their utilities (which are just their versions of SMART) and give them the output code. Also, always insist that they cover your shipping fees, as they often try to make you pay it. Quote Link to comment
vca Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 How do you describe the issue and go through the hoops of making sure it's actually needing RMA to the manufacturer? I've never sent back a hard drive. I get all my drives from a local dealer, I just told them it failed the raid array's burn in tests (as it was too slow) and they exchanged it for a new one on the spot. Stephen Quote Link to comment
jsdds Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I just received my two 2TB WD20EARS. I'm running them through the Western Digital Data Lifeguard Diagnostics long smart test while I build my unraid server. So far, one passed and the other is being tested. (Takes about 5 hours.) Is the Lifeguard Diagnostics test revealing of disk issues? I am going to preclear them starting tomorrow. If I wanted to let them go through the test three times, what command line parameters would I use if my EARS disks are jumpered (7-? Also, I know I can preclear multiple disks at the same time but can I use preclear while the server is serving files or does it need to be stopped? Thanks for the help. jsdds Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I just received my two 2TB WD20EARS. I'm running them through the Western Digital Data Lifeguard Diagnostics long smart test while I build my unraid server. So far, one passed and the other is being tested. (Takes about 5 hours.) Is the Lifeguard Diagnostics test revealing of disk issues? I am going to preclear them starting tomorrow. If I wanted to let them go through the test three times, what command line parameters would I use if my EARS disks are jumpered (7-? Also, I know I can preclear multiple disks at the same time but can I use preclear while the server is serving files or does it need to be stopped? Thanks for the help. jsdds If you are jumpering the drives, then you want to use the "-a" paramter to preclear (that is the default). It will cause the drive to align the first partition at sector 63. A bit confusing, but the jumper causes the drive to interpret sector 63 as sector 64 internally, so this will give optimal performance. The other option would be to remove the jumper and use the "-A" parameter. This will align the first partition at sector 64, and prevent the drive from doing its little sector kludge. If you go with the second option, however, you'll have to run unRAID 4.7b1 (or the new 5.0b3 which is not out yet). The command to run the drive through three cycles, with the jumper, is ... preclear_disk.sh -a -c 3 /dev/sdX where sdX is the device of your disk. The command to run the drive through three cycles, with NO jumper, is ... preclear_disk.sh -A -c 3 /dev/sdX You might want to give THIS THREAD a good read before running preclear. And download the latest and greatest version of preclear from the bottom of that thread as well. Suggest you run the commands on the server console itself (you can run two at the same time because the console enables up to 6 sessions by pressing Alt-F1 - Alt-F6). Or you can also use the "screen" addon to run multiple sessions. Just be careful not to start preclear in a simple telnet window, because if you do, when the window closes, the preclear will terminate. Good luck. Quote Link to comment
furymaster Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 As long as you do not close the telnet windows, it should be fine. As I discovered today, there is a limit on concurrent telnet sessions - can anyone confirm that opening a 9th telnet session you get an "UNAUTHORIZED ROOT LOGIN" in syslog? Quote Link to comment
jsdds Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I do telnet into Tower but I use "screen". Thanks for the help and the commands bjp999. Quote Link to comment
Joe L. Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 As long as you do not close the telnet windows, it should be fine. As I discovered today, there is a limit on concurrent telnet sessions - can anyone confirm that opening a 9th telnet session you get an "UNAUTHORIZED ROOT LOGIN" in syslog? That is because there are only 8 devices in the linux kernel defined to log in on. ls -l /dev/ptyp* crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 0 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp0 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 1 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp1 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 2 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp2 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 3 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp3 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 4 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp4 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 5 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp5 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 6 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp6 crw-rw---- 1 root tty 2, 7 Jan 21 11:21 /dev/ptyp7 Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 As long as you do not close the telnet windows, it should be fine. This is true, but it can take 30 hours or more for a preclear - more if you are running multiple cycles. If anything happens and you have to reboot your workstation, or you accidently close your telnet session, you have to start over. I DO NOT recommend running preclear in a telnet window without using screen. Run from the console (i.e., keyboard/display hooked to the unRAID server) or using screen via a telnet window. Quote Link to comment
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