mgutt Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, Chopsting said: Serial shows up as : WD-WMASY0693555 But it was connected through SATA? Quote Link to comment
Chopsting Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, mgutt said: But it was connected through SATA? Yes Quote Link to comment
Chopsting Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) I took out the disk from where I moved it, instead of reading the serial from Unifi (where I moved the disk into and read serial from the UI... sorry) WD500AAKS WD Caviar SE16 MDL: WD5000AAKS - 00A7B0 Bit different identifiers then the previous I posted.... Edited January 6 by Chopsting Quote Link to comment
cuddles Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) Hi, i have finally got it working. Asrock C236 WSI Xeon E3-1275 V6 32 GB ECC Intel® X710 DUAL 10 GB SFP+ 2x 2,5" Samsung 850 2 TB SSD 4x 2,5" Samsung 860 EVO 250 GB SSD 2x 20 TB Western Digital Ultrastar DC HC560 IDLE C7: OK, Mainboard cant go deeper 26,3 Watt Parity and Full Smart Tests of all SSDs 42,2 Watt Im Happy :-). Without HDDs 14,7 Watt Edited January 6 by cuddles Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 19 minutes ago, cuddles said: Without HDDs 14,7 Watt Aren't you using spindown?! 12W difference is only possible because of spinning Disks. Quote Link to comment
dopeytree Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Has anyone else run into this issue with the system locking up during parity check? There's a few solutions saying it resolved when C States were disable - which goes against the power savings.. Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, dopeytree said: There's a few solutions saying it resolved when C States were disable - which goes against the power savings. Read the link. It's a bug of several Ryzen CPUs. Quote Link to comment
dopeytree Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Ok thanks for clarification. intel i9 11-900t In intel chips we seem to have general boost all cores (performance governer) which keeps all cores (8c 8t) cpu at 3.6ghz with turbo boosts to 4.5ghz or Keep as low as possible (power saving) which actually changes the cores from 0.8 - 1.1ghz Is there no middle ground or a better way for unraid to distribute tasks to the cpu. Or something that says ok prefer to only boost these 4/6 cores. In windows theres alot of controlling the cpu happening but my vague understanding is unraid leaves to the CPU to decide. I can manually do it in bios under volting the CPU getting it to hover around 1.5ghz with boosting up to 2.5ghz. More cores also default to the lower 0.8ghz this way if not in use. This is on the performance governor. There should be 37 powerstates to use with turbo at 90% 'when needed'. cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/num_pstates 37 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/max_perf_pct 100 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/min_perf_pct 18 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo 0 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/status active cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/turbo_pct 90 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/hwp_dynamic_boost 0 Powertop shows this: note the readout of CPU frequencies seem to differ between powertop and running: watch -n3 "cpufreq-info | grep 'current CPU' My system seems to be using C1_ACPI - C3_ACPI Edited January 11 by dopeytree Quote Link to comment
dopeytree Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) The actual question is how do I manually tell unraid which CPU I have because it seems to be using C_ACPM instead of the Intel PSATE's I want to tell the kernal I have an intel i9 11-900t Or should I just leave as is. Edited January 11 by dopeytree Quote Link to comment
Simone Valmacco Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Hi, I'm building a new server to downgrade my power hungry Intel Xeon D-1528... I've already bought a Fujitsu D3417-B motherboard, I'm planning to use it with an Intel i5 6400 (that I already have) or an i3 7100 or something similar. I've seen that the most power efficient 10Gb NICs are the Intel X550 or X710 based. I found this card below 100€: 94Y5200 IBM Intel X710 Quad-Ports SFP+ 10Gbps PCI Express 3.0x8 Gigabit Ethernet Network Adapter (servers4less.com) Do you think it'll be ok? I'll use only 1 SFP+ port, can I disable the other 3? Regarding power supply I was thinking about an RM550X. How do I recognize a 2021 model from the older one? Thank you very much! Simone Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Simone Valmacco said: How do I recognize a 2021 model from the older one? Quote Link to comment
Simone Valmacco Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, mgutt said: Thank you very much! What do you think about the 10Gb Nic? Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 14 minutes ago, Simone Valmacco said: What do you think about the 10Gb Nic? No experience regarding this. 🤷 Quote Link to comment
Simone Valmacco Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 16 hours ago, mgutt said: No experience regarding this. 🤷 Thank you, I didn't see that the card I've found was an ML2 Lenovo card 🤦♂️ Do tou have any advice for which card to use? P.S. Does anyone use a card based on this chip? 57810S-PB00.fm (cisco.com) I've found this card which is pretty cheap: 10Gb SFP+ PCI-E Network Card NIC, with Broadcom BCM57810S Chip, Dual SFP+ Port, PCI Express X8, Support Windows Server /Linux/VMware : Amazon.it: Informatica Thank you! Edited January 19 by Simone Valmacco Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 Search in the forums for other users using the 57810S and ask them 🤷 Quote Link to comment
Wabs Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Hi all, and especially Mgutt, nice topic! Thanks for the write up! I've been doing my homework too and I'm trying to lower the power usage of my server. First the hardware which was sort of chosen for decent low power a couple years back (Dutch tech site Tweakers.net has a nice 'low energy server' topic that helped me choose this build. Not perfect but not a bad basis I believe): Processor: Intel Pentium Gold G5420 Motherboard: ASRock H370M-ITX/ac Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT BLS16G4D240FSB (1x 16GB) SSD: Toshiba RC500 500GB Harddrives: 3x 10TB. 2x WDC_WD100EMAZ-00WJTA0_1EGLJKWZ 1x WDC_WD101EDBZ-11B1DA0_VCJDR1NP (all three shucked from a WD Elements desktop unit) Powersupply: Seasonic G-series 360 watt USB stick: Samsung FIT Plus 32GB Cooler: Scythe Big Shuriken 2 Rev. B Case: Fractal Design Node 304 HDD's spin down every 30 min Running completely headless unless I'm twaeking bios Running Plex, SABNZB, Radarr, Sonarr, Nextcloud, Pihole, Mariadb, SWAG, DuckDNS, unifi controller as dockers. All seem very low in cpu usage nearly all are at 0.01% Home Assistant as VM. I ran powertop --auto-tune and all tunables jump to good without any issue. Server now draws 18-20W when all the drives are idle. Aprox 35-40W when active. Measured with a Shelly plug S. C-state doesnt drop below C3, haven't fugured out why that is. Even with the array disabled, so not running anything at all for 30 min. C3 is all I get. Tips and Tweaks Power Saving CPU govenor set to Power Save All C-states enabled in the BIOS. Turbo Boost disabled. Lot of pictures and screenshots here: https://imgur.com/a/25ZBsGY My main goal is to see if I can get an even lower idle consumption Questions: Does any of the above info tell me (or you in this case) why I'm not getting a higher C-state than C3? If so, can I fix that? I'm guessing the SSD may be preventing it as I hardly have any other hardware. but how to prove that? I never edited the go-file before. From what I understand from your first post in this topic I should be able to disable more hardware (usb ports, PCI-e slot etc) with the list of commands you posted in the first post. How can I test them? Just in the console run: "for i in /sys/class/net/eth?; do ethtool -s $(basename $i) wol d; done" for example? see if it gives any errors and do all of them one by one. if all is fine add the complete list to the go file (just copy paste?)? I am also now doing the powertop --auto-tune by hand after every boot. that can go in the go-file too right? Any tips or tweaks to my dockers to prevent them from spinning up disks? it doesnt happen very often but a couple times a day. I expect Nextcloud does that and Plex checks the library or something. I hope all my info you need for some tips is there.... if not, let me know what else you need! Thanks for any tips or comments! Edited January 19 by Wabs Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 3 hours ago, Wabs said: I'm guessing the SSD may be preventing it as I hardly have any other hardware. but how to prove that? Disable Array Autostart, remove all drives and boot without them. Then add one after the other, unitl the C-State becomes bad. 3 hours ago, Wabs said: Just in the console run yes. You should leave the array stopped while testing and check your logs for new error entries. 3 hours ago, Wabs said: should be able to disable more hardware powertop --auto-tune executes the same commands. So no. The advantage of the separate commands is that you can remove problematic commands, which are maybe incompatible to your hardware. And you wouldn't need to install powertop at all. 3 hours ago, Wabs said: Any tips or tweaks to my dockers to prevent them from spinning up disks? it doesnt happen very often but a couple times a day Search in the forums. I'm sure its already discussed. Quote Link to comment
Wabs Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Thanks for the reply @mgutt! I was trying to find info in the different PowerTOP tabs to find the reason why I wasn't going above C3. Makes sense to just disconnect hardware and see what happens. Will do so later this morning. Great tip to help me find the cause. Also thanks for explaining what and how the commands work. I did notice that both ethernet controllers have wake on LAN enabled, even after I run --auto-tune. I switched them manually in powertop. I'll try your command for that one too then. I'll do a search for lowering the power consumption for the dockers I'm running. If I find anything useful I'll link it here. /edit1: update to SSD firmware and BIOS made no noticable changes. still max C3 /edit2: pulled the SSD out, no change either, still max C3 /edit3: disconnected the hard drives, no change, still C3 I'm out of hardware to disconnect... I've only got RAM, a processor and the USB stick with unraid on it left. Can't figure out why it wont go beyond C state 3. Edited January 20 by Wabs Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 Maybe Ubuntu is worth a try? To exclude a problem inside of unRAID. Quote Link to comment
Simone Valmacco Posted Tuesday at 08:27 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:27 PM Do you have any recommended SSD to use as cache drive? I was looking at Intel P3605 or P3700 PCI SSD or standard Sata SSD... Quote Link to comment
Wabs Posted Wednesday at 01:03 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:03 PM 16 hours ago, Simone Valmacco said: Do you have any recommended SSD to use as cache drive? I was looking at Intel P3605 or P3700 PCI SSD or standard Sata SSD... Have a look at the list of hardware on Hardwareluxx: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI/edit#gid=0 you can see very efficient systems there and see what SSD's they have used. maybe that helps. On 1/20/2023 at 6:54 PM, mgutt said: Maybe Ubuntu is worth a try? To exclude a problem inside of unRAID. No change in Ubuntu. I now think that it could be my PSU. Thats quite old. Bought it in 2014 and the model exisits since 2012. I also read a couple of posts online on other forums that cheap and old PSU's prevent lower c-states. I'll see if I can find an affordable PSU that has a low power usage at very low load. I know the Corsair 550 2021 version would be a nice bet. 1 Quote Link to comment
Simone Valmacco Posted Wednesday at 05:25 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:25 PM 4 hours ago, Wabs said: Have a look at the list of hardware on Hardwareluxx: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI/edit#gid=0 you can see very efficient systems there and see what SSD's they have used. maybe that helps. Thank you, in every case Sata is usually more efficient than NvMe right? Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted Wednesday at 09:52 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 09:52 PM 4 hours ago, Simone Valmacco said: in every case Sata is usually more efficient than NvMe right? Not relevant. I wasn't able to measure any difference with a C246M-WU2. But multiple NVMe can reduce the C-States while multiple SATA SSDs do not. I think this depends on which Lanes are used (Chipset, which are already active or CPU, which maybe activate additional lanes). Quote Link to comment
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