Decided I'm far enough along in this project to break this build away from my fortytwo threadripper server build thread.  If you've not see that build, follow this link   My server build fortytwo, has acted as a fileserver, application server, and also some VM use... mostly headless windows VMs. Carbon is different, carbon will replace my current 7700K build which has been a traditional workstation and gaming rig, I work from home nearly fulltime, like to game, and have been usi