I was able to resolve this finally. the issue was drivers as i suspected. Video 4 Linux was needed. I was able to find this driver set in the LinuxServer.IO plugin for DVB. i used the LibreElec release on the latest 6.8.2 kernel they offer. I am now .1 version behind but i am able to do what i need to do with the webcam. after installing that plugin and downloading the LibreElect 6.8.2 release i rebooted. I then have 2 /dev/video0 and dev/video1 devices. only /dev/video0 works. Passing this into
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