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I'm about to set up my first Unraid server.
I have an 8TB Seagate IronWolf I bought a while back and never used, but in the meantime my data has grown such that I need to buy another drive anyway simply to be able to get data onto the array to begin with. I was going to buy another 8TB Ironwolf, but to my surprise, these Exos 16TB drives offer by far the best $/TB of any other HD I've seen.
Basic Googling doesn't yield any obvious catch (obviously, if it fails mechanically, that's a lot of data, so backups are vital, and parity checks, rebuilds, preclear etc. take a long time). I'd be using the Exos as the parity drive in the new server, which will live right next to my desk as well.
@KuniD, did you end up buying the drive? How happy are you with it? Reliability or performance issues? Noise wise?
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On 1/27/2020 at 1:47 AM, Dav3 said:
You're right about blocking at the router but unfortunately my AT&T ISP router has to be the gateway device and I've witnessed their techs log in into the router from the WAN & reset it back to defaults (thus no outbound blocking) -->AFTER<-- I had changed admin passwords, etc so I don't really trust the router. I'm probably going to have to double-NAT the thing to regain confidence back in my LAN security. Then I'll block the relevant NIC MAC & IP's.
This is offtopic, but IME it is a really bad idea to ever use ISP-provided equipment on the customer side, if you're doing anything more complex connecting a single computer with consumer-type defaults -- and any setup using Unraid fits that bill. If your ISP doesn't allow you to provide your own router, I'd switch providers just because of that (using their physical-layer modem only is OK).
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23 minutes ago, nuhll said:
Here in germany np, you just need to close it after u move out...
How u fix the hanging parts in the kitchen if u are nto allowed to drill?! Or in bathroom?
Depends on your landlord and your rental contract. I knew of people both here and in Germany who rented and had rental contracts explicitly forbidding any drilling whatsoever. In the dorms I lived at while studying in the US, it was even forbidden to use the tiny picture nails -- we were supplied with special sticky tack and adhesive hooks, like this.
Also, depending on the wall material, it's not necessarily trivial to fill holes so they're completely invisible afterwards. Over here, you'd basically need to repaint a wall after filling. -
On 1/11/2018 at 4:16 PM, Alphahelix said:
yet the router/bridge/AP solution requires a transformer that will suck unnecessary power to run the unit. Whereas an internal wifi-card will only use the power required for the card(s). I know it is not much, but for a 24/7-365 setup it will accumulate to noticeable amounts.
A person can't have everything. Wireless solutions are never as good as wired ones, either in performance or consistency; the major problem isn't throughput, it's latency.
As for energy consumption, the nano router I have, the TL-WR902AC, actually has a USB power supply. While it comes with an AC adapter, it can be powered via any USB port as well, e.g., one on the wired device it's attached to. If a 100mbps connection to the server is enough, that will work fine (and if there's a single PC that connects to the UnRAID server, as in the OP's case, that might well be enough). -
3 hours ago, SSD said:
I found one of THESE brand new on the clearance rack of a mom and pop computer store.
$75 (have a $170 price tag on it).
12 drive slots (enough for 4 5in3s (20 drives)). Lots of aluminum. On wheels. Made like a tank!
It is taking a little modification with a dremel and hole saw (to enlarge the top fan), but I love it!
Looks like the Antec is going to be retired soon!
That's... a lot of drives, despite being >8cm shorter than the Azza.
Looks like it's been discontinued for years, but the Cooler Master Storm Trooper is still being made; a bit more expensive, however -- currently $126 after rebate on Amazon. It does however have 4 included fans, and a 2-drive 2.5" dock in addition to the 9x 5.25" bays. There's even a built-in toolbox to keep all the screws, cables brackets etc. (-:
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Looks like this could do the job, if you have the room for it -- it's a full tower. The price is certainly right (-:
I'm a bit confused by the airflow options -- with multiple HDs in front, IMO the best way to go is definitely front-to-back for all fans, aligned along the HDs & internal cards, toward the back ports. Many of the pics (also in the Tom's review linked ot from their site) seem to assume bottom-to-top airflow.
The only thing I'd be concerned about is some of the the QA- & build quality -related complaints in the Newegg & Amazon reviews -- maybe not an issue if the server stays put once it's built.
See if you can find a review of someone using it in a NAS build and/or with lots of drives in 5-in-3 cages, to see if there are long-term heat issues. From the look of the 5.25" trays, there will be tabs separating the bays you'll need to bend back or break off.
I'd still consider the Antec 900 as well -- there's seems to be experience using hot-swap cages with it, and it's currently not that expensive -- $70 after rebate at Newegg. -
On 1/9/2018 at 3:30 AM, jonathanm said:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1726328
Cheap ($30 USD) router / ap / bridge that will provide better performance than many wireless pc cards.
Adding wireless support to unraid is not trivial, and configuring wireless at the command line is a pain in the butt.
Since there are off the shelf wireless to wired bridges available, the very few niche cases where wireless is desired is much better served by recommending a bridge solution than trying to support the thousands of different wireless cards in unraid.
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This is best solved at the network level, not the (UNRaid) OS/server level.
If the router jonathanm suggests isn't a fit aesthetically or size-wise, I'd suggest the TP-Link RE210 AC750 Wi-Fi Range Extender; it has wireless bridge capability where you can use its gigabit Ethernet port to connect a wired device (your UNRAID server) to your main router via WiFi. Since it supports dual-band, performance should be good;
It's the only tiny-size WiFi access device I know of that supports a gigabit connection and 5GHz.
While I haven't used it myself, I have its cousin, the TL-WR902AC nano travel router, which is a fully-featured router with amazing WiFi performance despite being barely larger than a matchbox (less suitable for your purpose since its Ethernet ports are 10/100).
The RE210 is a bit expensive in the US at the moment, but can be bought from Amazon Germany for ~US$35 delivered to the US. -
52 minutes ago, jonathanm said:
Once you start pricing out the tower plus the hot swap cages, it starts to make sense to look at the server specific rack mount type cases with hot swap bays designed in, and part of the price already. By the time you get a tower ~100USD, and 3 hot swaps @ ~80USD each, you could afford a low end server case, like the norco 4020.
Even better, look on ebay for decommissioned supermicro cases, they have much better quality for a much higher new price, but comparable used prices. Just be sure the backplane is compatible with drives larger than 2TB.
Sure, but rack-based servers aren't just a cost issue... While a 4020 certainly has a lot of room for drives, from what I hear (pun intended) from people who have one it's quite loud, and wouldn't be suitable for a living area.
I live in a small apartment, and my UnRAID server lives in my study (I work from home) <2ft from my head. It's barely audible most of the time.
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It does look like the Sharkoon is finally out of production, although both Amazon UK and Amazon Germany show it as "temporarily out of stock" and allow ordering, so they should get more of them.
Looking back at my notes while I was researching cases:
Another option if you can find one may be the discontinued Zalman MS800 or MS800Plus. It's intended for gaming rigs, but does have 10 5.25" bays (in the Plus, config3 of them come pre-occupied with 3 hot-swap 3.5" bays, the latter being replaceable with a 5-in-3 cage, so either model supports 15 3.5" drives overall).
It's taller & deeper than the T9 (but still considered mid-ATX), and quite a bit fancier -- 4 included fans+room for 2 more, outside fan-speed knob, etc.Amazon lists it as temp. out-of-stock, so I'd probably contact them to ask whether there's a chance it'll actually be available.
You may also want to keep an eye out for a used Lian-Li PC-A17 (also discontinued, but the same approach as the T9, 9x straight top-to-bottom 5.25" bays).
But yes, the situation with this type of case sucks, which is odd given that home NASes are becoming a thing.The 8-bay solutions marketed for NAS simply don't cut it for a decent-size server for >2-3 years of expansion, and rack solutions are a bad fit for someone who doesn't have a basement to hide them in.
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6 hours ago, void4ever said:
Been going over this thread quite a bit trying to find a case that will suit my needs.
Looking for something that will support two to three, 3x5 drive cages for a total of 10 to 15 drives (plus whatever SSD's i double stick tape somewhere! ATX motherboard support, and I'd prefer something i didn't have to heavily modify to get the drive cages to fit. I'm good with a mid/full tower, or even a Rack mount, but i am looking to keep it under 150 (cheaper if possible), which counts out most rack mount stuff.
My main thing is i don't want to open up the box everytime i need to add storage, or swap a failed drive, hence the drive cages.
The last time there was any activity here was back in Aug so i was just wondering if anyone had some newer suggestions. I see the Antec stuff is fairly popular. I don't like how some of them look, but then this is going to sit in a corner under a shelf so who cares i guess!
Void4ever
I originally thought of getting a purpose home-NAS case like the Silverstone CS380, but decided I wanted room for >8 drives for the same reason you do -- I eventually intend to have lots of drives expanding gradually, and want to be able to add & hot-swap and keep a spare drive as well without powering down; this system should last 5-6 years.
It turned out cases with top-to-bottom 5.25" bays had become very rare, let alone for a reasonable price. After a lot of research, I settled on the mid-tower ATX Sharkoon T9 Value case (my system isn't fully set up yet -- all components installed except some of the disks -- but it's all working fine under UnRAID with decent temps, and fairly quiet.)
The case has 9x 5.25" bays -- along the entire front, and has a very clean look which isn't too boring (IMO).
I currently have one 3x5 hot-swap 3.5"-drive cage in it, & a second cage ready. Eventually I'll either add a 3d cage, or a 3-in-2 cage of 3.5" drives place + a 2-in-1 cage for 2x 2.5" cache/VM SSD drives, so a total of either 15x 3.5" or 13x 3.5" + 2x 2.5" drives.
Currently I have a single 2.5" SSD which is simply screwed on the bottom of the case, non-hot-swap.
The case is very well made, much more than you'd expect for the cost, and I found quite a few people using it for many-drive NAS builds.
As for the cost: I'm in Israel and bought mine from Germany. Are you in the US? I don't think the case is directly available there , but it would cost <US$70 delivered to the USA from Amazon UK.
A fairly long review of the case.Video of an UnRAID build using the case, and the same system being upgraded a couple of years later with an additional cage. As you can see, it's pretty easy to work on.
There are tabs between the 5.25" bays that may need to either be bent back or broken off to fit the cage(s), depending on the ones you use. I have the iStarUSA BPN-DE350SS (in red, which matches my red-accent version of the case), and I bent the tabs using a C-clamp. Took ~20min to bend all 36, IIRC.-
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Hi,
UNRaid noob here. I may be just misunderstanding something, but want to make sure I don't have bad disks... I posted this in the General Support subforum, but it was suggested I repost here.
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Just completed my first build, and to prep for configuring the array, I ran pre-clear on 2 brand new 8TB drives (Seagate Ironwolfs), in parallel;
this included pre- and post-read passes, one zeroing cycle.) It took ~36 hours which seems reasonable.
After completion, the WebGUI Preclear plugin page's status says "Preclear Finished Successfully!" for both drives, and the post-preclear report (generated by the "eye" icon) also looks fine to me.
However, the actual log has the warning
"Zeroing: dd command failed, exit code: 1"
on the dd command in the zeroing phase, from both drives at the exact same location before the location where the pre-read ended. The post-read pass also stopped at the same location.
Searching the forum, I've seen a couple of threads with the same error message, but it doesn't seem to be the same behavior: In those cases, the pre-clear stopped on the error, which it didn't in my case, or it was a HW issue (cable / bad SATA port) -- the fact that in my case the error happened at the exact same disk location for both disks seems to rule that out.
I notice that there was another post a few days ago about the zero-write phase not stopping the pre-clear process despite showing an error; even if the dd command is not told when to stop, I'd expect the pre-read pass to have stopped on the same location. Having pre-read and post-read cover a different number of blocks seems problematic.Another odd thing is that after the Pre-clears completed, the UNassigned Devices plugin shows only one of the 2 disks as being pre-cleared in the "FS" (I assume Filesystem?) column, and displays Auto-mount, Share, Script Log and Script as available for that one only.
Anything to worry about here? I'd rather not redo the whole pre-clear unless really necessary.
Additional details:
UNRaid v6.3.1, plugin Pre-clear Disks 0.8.4-beta of 2017.02.16a
Before the pre-clear, I ran the short SMART test which passed fine (both drives).
Attached:
pre-preclear SMART tests, Post-preclear reports, preclear log, Diagnostics file, screen cap of Unassigned Devices.
Any additional info I can provide? I'm holding off on further pre-clears, reboots etc. so I don't clobber it.
ST8000VN0022-2EL112_ZA160BZK-20170313-0214.txt
ST8000VN0022-2EL112_ZA160HNB-20170313-0220.txt
post-preclear report ZA160BZK.txt
post-preclear report ZA160HNB.txt
redrock-diagnostics-20170315-1548.zip
how to opt out of the new User Profile Component (UPC) in 6.10 and all following releases
in General Support
Posted · Edited by GreenDolphin
Typos & clarifications
I'm about to pull the trigger on Unraid (pending a successful trial the next few weeks); I actually bought the HW and built the system a few years back, but life got in the way and I made do with an awful maze of external drives.
I was very concerned with the way the release notes for 6.10 started, as a strong opponent of cloud computing and the way every Thing vendor is trying to get every customer logged on 100% of the time for every little thing. Apple was the first major offender here with iCloud, but Microsoft has followed suit, and the worst of all is Tesla.
Since I might end up posting a lot of info about my system or usage in the Forum, I didn't like the direct association of my server credentials with a public forum account.
Anyway, the above quote is an absolutely fine solution for me. Since a Forum signon doesn't require any PII (no real-life name or address, I just rechecked), I'll be maintaining a dummy account for this.
Being able to do this wasn't a given, since lots of online forums, especially official company-owned ones, forbid multiple accounts for the same person and sometimes enforce it quite strongly (banning the user outright); I think there would be a lot less pushback if Limeware emphasized that it is possible.
Incidentally, Limeware will now also have to come up with a policy of what to do if a forum user seriously violates the forum behavioral guidelines. Banning, even temporarily, that user's logon is no longer possible, because s/he still needs to access UPC.
Sure, from all I've seen (been casually reading the forum for several years, some threads & subjects in depth) this isn't a common problem here -- discussion is remarkably even-keeled, even on "religious" subjects. Still, there has to be both a policy and a way to technically implement it.
Re the various questions @eweitzman raised about what type of info would be collected and how, that's a rather complicated question -- basically, anyone who has a forum member's username can scrape all his/her posts and any information posted in them... That's not info Limeware is ever likely to collect itself, of course, but if the DB associating Unraid server addresses and emails gets hacked, there might be bad outcomes.
That's why I'd recommend that anyone who doesn't intend to use the UPC-based applications, MyServers and/or future ones, keep their active forum account and UPC account separate.
Also, while it is a minor manner, I'd also appreciate an option for not having the signon field on the WebGUI banner: I think it belongs on an Admin page like Management Access anyway, esp. since it's not info the user needs all the time. Again, commercial web storefronts are not a good comparison: There you can't do anything except casual browsing without being logged on, so an indication whether you are or not is useful. On the main management console of my private server running locally, I'd rather information that wasn't always pertinent wouldn't be always displayed.