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[Solved] Telnet Support request

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Hi all.

 

Im hoping someone can give me a hand with my telnet client.

 

I have limetech unraid installed on my usb drive connected to my nas server which is connected to my network via LAN cat6 cable.

 

Everytime i restart my modem/router i need to login into my unraid again and im trying to setup so i can do this via telnet. I have successfully done this in the past with very limited intermittent success and im not sure what im doing wrong when it does not work.

 

For example when i try to launch telnet through Putty (my setting are: telnet, ip address, port field empty, only on clean exit) i get the error message "Unable to open connection to 192.168... Network error cannot assign requested address"

 

using the telnet client direct using the command telnet 192.168... i get an instant "Connection failed"

 

Is my Ip wrong? Not sure how to fix

 

 

Thanks in advance

Steve

Assuming you have the IP correct, try port 23

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Hi thanks for the tip, that resulted in putty flashing a blank black screen with a small green cursor square then playing a windows chime and shutting down. Still cant connect to server..

Hi thanks for the tip, that resulted in putty flashing a blank black screen with a small green cursor square then playing a windows chime and shutting down. Still cant connect to server..

The IP address should be of the form

xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

For example, on my network, my server is on

192.168.2.100

are you using the full IP address, or only 192.168 ???

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ok my address is 192.168.0.6 these are the addresses my netgear router has dispensed for my network eg my other computers are 192.168.0.1 ect up to 6

Can you ping 192.168.0.6?

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And you're sure that IP is the IP of the server? Can you get to the server webgui on that IP in your browser?

 

What happens if you try to telnet from the command prompt? Just type "telnet 192.168.0.6".

 

Oh, just want point this out too: unless you have a specific reason to log in after a reboot, you don't have to connect each time and log in. That login prompt is simply to limit access to unauthorized users from the console itself. Everything will work as normal without having to log in there. And when you reboot your router unraid should pull its IP when it sees the network is back up.

 

 

EDIT: also just noticed your crazy high ping times. They should < 10% of that even on wifi.

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Cant get to the webgui because im not logged in because cant telnet in. I can login in with a keyboard and hdmi cord and try to fix this issue once im logged in...just need to find that 10m hdmi cord.

 

telnet from cmd.. "Could not open connection to that host, on port 23. Connect failed"

 

Oh just read your third comment, didnt realize i didnt have to login after router reboot. Im trying to login because none of my pc's can connect to my server.

 

hmmm have to look into high ping times.

 

I think ill reboot my server pc and see if that fixes my connection issue, i thought i couldnt connect because im not logged into my unraid machine. I thought the unraid logged itself out when my connection dropped...

Yeah, your server it either not getting a connection to the network or that isn't it's IP.

 

Yeah, those ping times are way too high. Here are the ping results I just got after ssh'ing in to one of my Apple TVs that is connected via wifi really far away from the wifi access point. I'm pinging my unraid guest VM on my ESXi server.

 

Porch-Apple-TV:~ root# ping 10.0.1.4
PING 10.0.1.4 (10.0.1.4): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.1.4: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=3.405 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.4: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=2.613 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.4: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=2.941 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.4: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=3.344 ms

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those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

Apparently I'm wrong, so, I removed my post to modify it before anyone reads it and I sounded like an idiot, here's my edited version:-

 

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

I've only once ever had a ping >5MS via lan and it was because apparently my router felt like it was a good idea to start loads of programs on it's terrible CPU, I had to do a factory restore (Telnetting in showed 100% CPU & about a million processes running). (EDIT, just a note, this was a 5 year old netgear router I was using ~ 2 years ago, so, now it'd be 7 years old. I had to throw it away in the end because it kept getting back to this, even after patching with custom firmware/updating to newest netgear firmware/everything)

 

Ping your router, what's the delay?

From your router, ping another box, what's the delay?

 

For example, my ping time to my unraid box:-

automatic@automatic-G74Sx:~$ ping 192.168.88.200 -c 5
PING 192.168.88.200 (192.168.88.200) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.88.200: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.215 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.200: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.232 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.200: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=0.278 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.200: icmp_req=4 ttl=64 time=0.241 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.200: icmp_req=5 ttl=64 time=0.213 ms

--- 192.168.88.200 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.213/0.235/0.278/0.030 ms

 

My ping time to my router:-

automatic@automatic-G74Sx:~$ ping 192.168.88.1 -c 5
PING 192.168.88.1 (192.168.88.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.238 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.212 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=0.242 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_req=4 ttl=64 time=0.217 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_req=5 ttl=64 time=0.215 ms

--- 192.168.88.1 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.212/0.224/0.242/0.022 ms

 

My ping time from my router to my unraid box (Yes, I realize 0MS isn't very useful, however, I believe that's as much detail as it gives):-

[admin@MikroTik] > ping 192.168.88.200 count=5 
HOST                                     SIZE TTL TIME  STATUS                 
192.168.88.200                             56  64 0ms  
192.168.88.200                             56  64 0ms  
192.168.88.200                             56  64 0ms  
192.168.88.200                             56  64 0ms  
192.168.88.200                             56  64 0ms  
    sent=5 received=5 packet-loss=0% min-rtt=0ms avg-rtt=0ms max-rtt=0ms 
HOST                                     SIZE TTL TIME  STATUS

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

 

Ping times that high would definitely have an effect on VOIP applications. Pings as high as some that you posted would make VOIP applications unusable.

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

Ping times that high would definitely have an effect on VOIP applications. Pings as high as some that you posted would make VOIP applications unusable.

 

I'm going to have to object to that, I play a hell of a lot of CS:S with friends on skype and I also download a lot. I'm nearly always averaging at ~ 400 ping to google, ~ 600 ping to my gameserver and ~ 1000 ping to my friend(s) on skype, it works. Yes, I do admit it's annoying, but, it's not that annoying, once you get into a conversation you barely even notice it, you're not at both ends, so, you don't notice the delay.

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

Ping times that high would definitely have an effect on VOIP applications. Pings as high as some that you posted would make VOIP applications unusable.

 

I'm going to have to object to that, I play a hell of a lot of CS:S with friends on skype and I also download a lot. I'm nearly always averaging at ~ 400 ping to google, ~ 600 ping to my gameserver and ~ 1000 ping to my friend(s) on skype, it works. Yes, I do admit it's annoying, but, it's not that annoying, once you get into a conversation you barely even notice it, you're not at both ends, so, you don't notice the delay.

 

Skype is different; by VoIP I figured he meant telephone like replacement VoIP devices/application such a Vonage. Carrying on a regular telephone conversation with a 743ms delay would be practically intolerable.

 

Granted I don't know where either of you are located but your external ping results are poor too. These are my ping results while maxing out my Comcast downlink with a usenet download at about 115Mbps. I have no QOS enabled on my router either.

 

mike@Workhorse:~$ ping google.com
PING google.com (74.125.226.225) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=28.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=71.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=37.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=36.6 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=25.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=6 ttl=53 time=19.9 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=7 ttl=53 time=72.2 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=8 ttl=53 time=50.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=9 ttl=53 time=22.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=10 ttl=53 time=51.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=11 ttl=53 time=99.4 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=12 ttl=53 time=60.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=13 ttl=53 time=18.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=14 ttl=53 time=25.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=15 ttl=53 time=22.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=16 ttl=53 time=48.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=17 ttl=53 time=77.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=18 ttl=53 time=47.0 ms

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

Ping times that high would definitely have an effect on VOIP applications. Pings as high as some that you posted would make VOIP applications unusable.

 

I'm going to have to object to that, I play a hell of a lot of CS:S with friends on skype and I also download a lot. I'm nearly always averaging at ~ 400 ping to google, ~ 600 ping to my gameserver and ~ 1000 ping to my friend(s) on skype, it works. Yes, I do admit it's annoying, but, it's not that annoying, once you get into a conversation you barely even notice it, you're not at both ends, so, you don't notice the delay.

 

Skype is different; by VoIP I figured he meant telephone like replacement VoIP devices/application such a Vonage. Carrying on a regular telephone conversation with a 743ms delay would be practically intolerable.

 

Granted I don't know where either of you are located but your external ping results are poor too. These are my ping results while maxing out my Comcast downlink with a usenet download at about 115Mbps. I have no QOS enabled on my router either.

 

mike@Workhorse:~$ ping google.com
PING google.com (74.125.226.225) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=28.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=71.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=37.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=36.6 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=25.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=6 ttl=53 time=19.9 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=7 ttl=53 time=72.2 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=8 ttl=53 time=50.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=9 ttl=53 time=22.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=10 ttl=53 time=51.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=11 ttl=53 time=99.4 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=12 ttl=53 time=60.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=13 ttl=53 time=18.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=14 ttl=53 time=25.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=15 ttl=53 time=22.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=16 ttl=53 time=48.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=17 ttl=53 time=77.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=18 ttl=53 time=47.0 ms

 

I'm in the UK, majority of people I play with are in the US. My down speed is 5Mbps (Mb, not MB) and my up speed is 1Mbps.

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

Ping times that high would definitely have an effect on VOIP applications. Pings as high as some that you posted would make VOIP applications unusable.

 

I'm going to have to object to that, I play a hell of a lot of CS:S with friends on skype and I also download a lot. I'm nearly always averaging at ~ 400 ping to google, ~ 600 ping to my gameserver and ~ 1000 ping to my friend(s) on skype, it works. Yes, I do admit it's annoying, but, it's not that annoying, once you get into a conversation you barely even notice it, you're not at both ends, so, you don't notice the delay.

 

Skype is different; by VoIP I figured he meant telephone like replacement VoIP devices/application such a Vonage. Carrying on a regular telephone conversation with a 743ms delay would be practically intolerable.

 

Granted I don't know where either of you are located but your external ping results are poor too. These are my ping results while maxing out my Comcast downlink with a usenet download at about 115Mbps. I have no QOS enabled on my router either.

 

mike@Workhorse:~$ ping google.com
PING google.com (74.125.226.225) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=28.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=71.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=37.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=36.6 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=25.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=6 ttl=53 time=19.9 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=7 ttl=53 time=72.2 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=8 ttl=53 time=50.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=9 ttl=53 time=22.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=10 ttl=53 time=51.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=11 ttl=53 time=99.4 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=12 ttl=53 time=60.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=13 ttl=53 time=18.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=14 ttl=53 time=25.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=15 ttl=53 time=22.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=16 ttl=53 time=48.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=17 ttl=53 time=77.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=18 ttl=53 time=47.0 ms

 

I'm in the UK, majority of people I play with are in the US. My down speed is 5Mbps (Mb, not MB) and my up speed is 1Mbps.

 

I see. No Virgin Media available where you live? They have some fast speeds.

those are some mighty nice ping times  :D

 

thanks for your help ive had issues in the past and automatically assumed it was  a login issue. Server reboot fixed issue and im connected again.

 

Ping times are still the same though, will do some googling and see how to fix. Curious though what effect does this have for me? I use the home network mainly for HTPC multi-media experience however i have multiple mobile devices and voip programs being used. Will high ping times have an effect on file transfer speeds? bandwidth issues?

 

Thanks again for your help

 

Ping times that high would definitely have an effect on VOIP applications. Pings as high as some that you posted would make VOIP applications unusable.

 

I'm going to have to object to that, I play a hell of a lot of CS:S with friends on skype and I also download a lot. I'm nearly always averaging at ~ 400 ping to google, ~ 600 ping to my gameserver and ~ 1000 ping to my friend(s) on skype, it works. Yes, I do admit it's annoying, but, it's not that annoying, once you get into a conversation you barely even notice it, you're not at both ends, so, you don't notice the delay.

 

Skype is different; by VoIP I figured he meant telephone like replacement VoIP devices/application such a Vonage. Carrying on a regular telephone conversation with a 743ms delay would be practically intolerable.

 

Granted I don't know where either of you are located but your external ping results are poor too. These are my ping results while maxing out my Comcast downlink with a usenet download at about 115Mbps. I have no QOS enabled on my router either.

 

mike@Workhorse:~$ ping google.com
PING google.com (74.125.226.225) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=28.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=71.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=37.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=36.6 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=25.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=6 ttl=53 time=19.9 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=7 ttl=53 time=72.2 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=8 ttl=53 time=50.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=9 ttl=53 time=22.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=10 ttl=53 time=51.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=11 ttl=53 time=99.4 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=12 ttl=53 time=60.7 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=13 ttl=53 time=18.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=14 ttl=53 time=25.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=15 ttl=53 time=22.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=16 ttl=53 time=48.0 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=17 ttl=53 time=77.3 ms
64 bytes from lga15s29-in-f1.1e100.net (74.125.226.225): icmp_req=18 ttl=53 time=47.0 ms

 

I'm in the UK, majority of people I play with are in the US. My down speed is 5Mbps (Mb, not MB) and my up speed is 1Mbps.

 

I see. No Virgin Media available where you live? They have some fast speeds.

 

Nope, but reading Virgin Media's ToS I'm not sure I'd switch even if I had the option, from what their ToS seem like it's basically:-

 

9AM to 5PM you get 15GB worth of data before we throttle you to the point where a DNS lookup would take minutes

5PM to 11PM you get another 5GB worth of data, before we do the same as above

11PM - 6AM you can do whatever you want

6-9AM you get 5GB worth of data

 

Sky (I currently use) have terrible speeds, but, I download TBs per month and they've never once complained. I don't see the point of speed if you can only use a certain amount of it.

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