flips Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 For those of you still running a 4TB array... This is a all time low on amazon for this drive. Seagate 4TB NAS HDD SATA 6Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST4000VN000) Link to comment
WeeboTech Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Thanks for the heads up! grabbed one! Link to comment
storagehound Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 This looks good. But my reading is showing it is recommended for 1 - 5 bay NAS. I am beyond that. Does anyone have any insight on this? Thank You. For those of you still running a 4TB array... This is a all time low on amazon for this drive. Seagate 4TB NAS HDD SATA 6Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST4000VN000) Link to comment
flips Posted August 10, 2015 Author Share Posted August 10, 2015 Unraid is a different animal… I don’t think that notice has any bearing on what we do with unraid. Most of us don’t even run NAS drives in their array and have never had a problem. I think they are talking about a true raid type, striped etc… Even at that I’m not sure how the drive design would be limiting your true array to 5 devices. There is probably a ultra-premium line that they want to see businesses that are running an array above 5… The big advantage that a lot of unraid users see when they select the NAS type drives is simply the longer warranty period. For Seagate, it is 3 years, vs. 2 year on their standard desktop drive (I think). flips Link to comment
GFOviedo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Unraid is a different animal… I don’t think that notice has any bearing on what we do with unraid. Most of us don’t even run NAS drives in their array and have never had a problem. I think they are talking about a true raid type, striped etc… Even at that I’m not sure how the drive design would be limiting your true array to 5 devices. There is probably a ultra-premium line that they want to see businesses that are running an array above 5… The big advantage that a lot of unraid users see when they select the NAS type drives is simply the longer warranty period. For Seagate, it is 3 years, vs. 2 year on their standard desktop drive (I think). flips The last 3 drives that have failed in my array have been Seagates. One of them is still in warranty. However, whenever I've ran the Seagate software to see if the drive is bad, and it comes back as a good drive. I've pre-cleared the drive again, installed it in the array, and a few days later it had a red x next to it. I don't think I will be buying Seagates drives. I'm trying to stick with WD red drives now. That 5 year warranty is a must for me now. Link to comment
flips Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 The last 3 drives that have failed in my array have been Seagates. One of them is still in warranty. However, whenever I've ran the Seagate software to see if the drive is bad, and it comes back as a good drive. I've pre-cleared the drive again, installed it in the array, and a few days later it had a red x next to it. I don't think I will be buying Seagates drives. I'm trying to stick with WD red drives now. That 5 year warranty is a must for me now. What capacity were those? According to this is seems like the 3TB are terrible, but 4Tb don't seem out of line with the rest of the failure rate. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/ Anecdotally, what you are saying has been echoed in reviews, forums, etc. Knock on wood, I have had good luck with Seagates, but those are all 2TB or 4TB. Having Seagate say it is good, but unraid say it isn't, seems really frustarating. I know with my WD, it would report good in a short test, but bad in the long test. I looked at the Reds, it looks like the standard red has 3 years. The red pros have 5 years. Right now on amazon for a 4TB, it is $154 vs. $218 for the pro. (green is $135 with 2 year warranty). That's $19 for an additional year (year 3), and then another $64 additional to get 2 more to year 5. So that's $83 to go from 2 years to 5 years. Assuming you never loose data, one could look at it as would I be able to buy a new 4Tb drive for $83 in 5 years from now... flips Link to comment
GFOviedo Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The last 3 drives that have failed in my array have been Seagates. One of them is still in warranty. However, whenever I've ran the Seagate software to see if the drive is bad, and it comes back as a good drive. I've pre-cleared the drive again, installed it in the array, and a few days later it had a red x next to it. I don't think I will be buying Seagates drives. I'm trying to stick with WD red drives now. That 5 year warranty is a must for me now. What capacity were those? According to this is seems like the 3TB are terrible, but 4Tb don't seem out of line with the rest of the failure rate. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/ Anecdotally, what you are saying has been echoed in reviews, forums, etc. Knock on wood, I have had good luck with Seagates, but those are all 2TB or 4TB. Having Seagate say it is good, but unraid say it isn't, seems really frustarating. I know with my WD, it would report good in a short test, but bad in the long test. I looked at the Reds, it looks like the standard red has 3 years. The red pros have 5 years. Right now on amazon for a 4TB, it is $154 vs. $218 for the pro. (green is $135 with 2 year warranty). That's $19 for an additional year (year 3), and then another $64 additional to get 2 more to year 5. So that's $83 to go from 2 years to 5 years. Assuming you never loose data, one could look at it as would I be able to buy a new 4Tb drive for $83 in 5 years from now... flips I've had one 3TB and 2 2TB Seagates go bad. All the WD's green drive are still going strong, including a Samsung drive. One of my Hitachi 3TB drives has some relocated sectors. So, I'm probably going to have to replace it soon. Link to comment
WeeboTech Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I've had multiple WD's go bad just as Seagates. Personally I've had better luck with Seagates. It pays to check the smart reports and do periodic smart long tests. back when maxtor was around, I would double check all drives before the warranty ended so I knew if I could do an RMA replacement or not. So that's $83 to go from 2 years to 5 years. Assuming you never loose data, one could look at it as would I be able to buy a new 4Tb drive for $83 in 5 years from now... From my usage pattern, on most drives, I end up replacing them before the warranty runs out. It's more so these days as I refuse to have a huge amount of drives in one server. The days of 20-25 drive servers is done for me. Link to comment
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