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Fan-tastic suggestions guys! (Pun FULLY intended). Order placed! I didn't really know enough of how this might fit into the server solution - thanks very much for drawing a couple of pictures for me. Much appreciated!

OK...so I used PVC tape to close the holes in the rear of the case. I fitted a new 80mm fan at the top of the case, and installed 2 new 120mm 3000rpm fans in the rear of the case. I've also relocated the server so it's no longer in my wife's office. Generally, the HDD temperatures are much better, although we're still not in summer yet. However, one thing is very annoying. The fans inside the case are all connected to fan headers on the motherboard - a Supermicro X10SRi-F. It seems that the fans are constantly in a "cycle-up, slow-down" loop which repeats constantly. Honestly, I think I'd rather have the fans running at a constant speed because the constant speed-up, slow-down cycle is maddening having to listen to it for very long, but I've gone through the motherboard manual and I can't find any way to over-ride this behavior. The manual mentions some way of monitoring the fans "using the IPMI interface" but - even spending some time reading through the manual - I can't find anything specific. If you can think of a way to over-ride this maddening fan behavior (whether using a tool, app, plug-in or docker item in UnRAID, or something different altogether - I'm all ears!

Thank you all for all your suggestions! So many great ideas... I found that my Amazon order for the 2 2000rpm Noctua fans still hadn't shipped, so I cancelled the order and found a local firm that were selling Noctua's "industrial" fan solution - basically they can go up to 3000rpm, and they're a bit louder...so I ordered 2 of those, and from another firm I found an 80mm Noctua fan that spins at 2200rpm, which would be ideal for the case top fan. When they arrive, hopefully later this coming week, my son & I will fit them, and use PVC electrical tape to seal the open PCI expansion slot cover holes, and probably the open I/O shield hole as well - making sure not to cover the I/O ports we actually use (basically just the 2 network port slots). I've got a feeling that's going to improve the short-medium term issues very nicely. We'll also have to move the server out of my wife's office, but I'm okay with doing that as I'd rather have the server run louder, but cooler. Finally, as a longer term solution, I'm going to keep an eye out for a third "5-in-3" drive cage and install that as well. That should allow me to install 3 of my 9 drives in each cage, leaving 2 nice big slots in each cage (and allowing none of the drives to be next to any other) allowing the cage fans to do a much better job of sucking air past the drives. I'll post back once the new fans have been fitted and I've had a chance to see how that affects the drive temps. Thanks again!

OK, it took longer than expected to get around to all of this, but finally it's done, and I've learnt a few things... When the case was open, I cleaned out all the dust I could see - in the case, and around the drive cages (especially around the HDD air intake grills). There was some dust there, but it didn't seem excessive. The fans on both drive cages are correctly aligned - pulling air from in front of the case through the drive cage, and expelling the airflow into the case. There is ONE 120mm fan on the rear of the case, and it is also oriented correctly - to pull air from inside the case and exhaust it out the back of the case. I also noticed some potential issues, and might need some help in finding the best solution to resolve them Problem 1 - there are a number of entry points on the rear of the computer case. I imagine these will greatly diminish the efficiency/effectiveness of the rear fan. I have (I think) 3 PCI Expansion slot covers missing, I might be able to source some PCI slot covers from a shop that sells computer parts (maybe). Problem 2 - The original aluminium I/O shield that came with the motherboard is missing. I think the chances of getting a matching I/O shield for this motherboard are slim to none and, even if I could find one, I'd have to uninstall the motherboard to fit it. I'm very open to other solutions! Problem 3 - There is a spot on the top of the case to install a small fan (80mm I think). There is a fan there already, but the power cables for it have been cut, so the fan is useless. So - I've ordered a pair of 4 pin 12V fans 2000rpm - one to replace the rear fan that's already there, and a second fan to mount on the rear of the case just below the first fan. The case has the space for that but it's currently been sealed with some kind of foam. I will remove the foam, and set the 2nd fan to also exhaust air out the case rear. Any thoughts you might have in solving the other problems I've listed, I would be very appreciative to hear!

OK thanks. This seems to me to be the best course of action... Shut down the server and move it onto a desk for easier access Remove the side panels and (with everything still connected) start the server and manually/physically check the fans at the back of each of the Norco units to ensure they're oriented correctly - i.e. - pulling air from the server front, and blowing the exhaust air into the case If the Norco fans are not oriented correctly, power down the server, and re-orient the fans. If they're oriented correctly, continue. Power down the server and remove any/all dust from within the case Examine the back of the case - check any rear fans & ensure they are oriented correctly - i.e. pulling hot air OUT of the case. If the server doesn't have any rear case fans (I don't remember whether it does or not), buy some and install them (ensuring to orient them correctly). Does this sound reasonable? I'm really hoping the Norco fans are oriented correctly - I don't fancy doing surgery on them again...but I have to check.

Hi there, I’m currently running Unraid version 6.12.6. My server has 8 data drives and a single parity drive, each has a capacity of 12Tb giving me a total storage space of 96Tb. I have the HDDs housed in 2 Norco SS-500 5-in-3 cages. Here (in New Zealand), it’s currently the end of winter, and slowly turning into spring. I try to run a parity check every month, and it takes from 20-25 hours to run. The last few months I’ve noticed I’m getting warning messages in the Unraid web interface that the drives are getting hot. The last parity check I ran last week and I could see that some of the drives were reaching 50 degrees Celsius (about 122 degrees Fahrenheit). Some of the drives were a little better (47-49 degrees), but all were over 40 degrees. If I’m seeing temperatures this high in late winter, I don’t like the idea of how high those temperatures will reach during summer. While I have a little time – time to put some thought into finding a solution. The server is sitting in a small office off of our garage, where my wife works. A while back I swapped out the stock fans at the back of the Norco units with quieter fans (as my wife was getting annoyed with the server fan noise). While the new fans did the trick noise-wise, I now have the problem that the new fans don’t seem to be providing sufficient cooling. The fans on the back of the Norco units aren’t the easiest things to replace either. My son had to help me change the fans as I’m a tetraplegic. One of the 4 plastic pillars the fans are supposed to be fitted onto broke last time. You can see the story of how the fans are fitted at the bottom of this review page… http://greenleaf-technology.com/new-norco-ss-500-5-in-3-drive-cage-review/ I’m happy enough to move the server to a different part of the garage to keep my wife happy, but I need to find a better cooling solution, and I’m looking for any solutions you might have. The current fans are (I think) Noctua NF-A8 FLX 12V 2000RPM fans as shown here… https://quietpc.co.nz/casefans?sort=price_desc&instock=selected&case_fan_size=80&case_fan_thickness=25&voltage=12%20 Any suggestions for fans with the same 4-pin connector, and same size (80mm x 25mm) would be appreciated, although I’m not opposed to any left-field suggestions either. The important thing is that whatever the solution is – it MUST keep the hard drives adequately cool at all times, but especially during long-term use (like a parity check). For those of you living in hotter climates, how are you keeping your drives cool? Thanks for any and all suggestions!

Never mind. I found it under Settings/SMB...and yes NetBios was enabled. I had to stop the server to change it to "NO", and start the array again. Now, my other media machines continue to connect without issue, and - after adding a user name and password the WiiM Home app is now connecting for the first time. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

Hi itimpi - thanks for posting back. In this particular case, I'm the client, and I've not requested anything specific relating to the SMB version. I guess I'm trying to figure out what version of samba is being offered to the devices connected to my network and, specifically, trying to ensure that SMBv1 connections are NOT supported. Can you tell me where I might look to determine whether NetBios is enabled? Again, many thanks!

I just realized I still don't have an answer to my original question... Is there an easy way I can tell what version of SMB the UnRAID shares are?

Thanks for that. Yes, I'm certainly getting the message that connecting the WiiM directly to SMB shares isn't going to be worth it, so I'm definitely trying to hunt down a Music Server package that will do everything I need. I'd like to have it run on my UnRAID server, as that's the only computer in our house that's always powered on. It needs to be able to talk to the WiiM Ultra, support high resolution FLAC files, run on UnRAID, and allow me to control everything from my Control4 remote control. So far it's been difficult trying to find something that satisfies all those requirements. I'm pretty sure ROON could do it, but I don't want to pay a regular subscription fee, and it costs way too much to get the lifetime licence. I don't mind paying for a product that can do all that, but roon is just too expensive. There has to be a less expensive option out there.

Hi there, I recently purchased a WiiM Ultra Music Streamer - mainly as a network-connected playback device for our music collection stored on our UnRAID server. While setting up the player - using the WiiM Home app on my phone I encountered an issue where the WiiM Home app couldn't connect to the UnRAID Music share. I get a "Connection failed" message almost immediately. I ended up raising a ticket and just got a reply back. They mentioned the usual things like making sure the syntax is correct (entering the address as "\\Server\Music", or "\\192.168.1.18\Music"), and ensuring the UnRAID server, the WiiM device, and the phone are all on the same network (as far as I can tell they are although the phone connects via wifi while UnRAID and the WiiM connect via ethernet cable - but I doubt that makes a difference). One other thing they mentioned is to ensure the server is NOT presenting the shares as SMBv1 - as that is not supported. Is there an easy way I can tell what version of SMB the UnRAID shares are? As an added note, it sounds like the WiiM support for SMB is pretty basic, and to get more functionality (e.g. music search function) I would probably need to run some music server software on UnRAID and have the WiiM connect to that instead of to the SMB share - but I need more information for that so I'll save it for a separate post. For now, if I can just get the WiiM to connect first...any help is appreciated.

I ended up playing around with the app for a while after everyone had gone to bed. I managed to get it working. I found one question on the apps faq page well & truly hidden that gave me a clue. In the end, the fault wasn't with unRAID (which I suspected anyway), it was poor documentation, the lack of a good setup video, and operator error.

I probably need to follow this up. If netbios is already enabled on unRAID does that mean if a device that only does SMBv1 tries to connect, it won't have any issues with unRAID (no SMBv1 issues anyway)?

Hmm...It looks like the "enable NETBIOS" option is already set to Yes.

Hi, I'm currently running UnRAID version 6.12.6 I recently purchased the Neutron music file player app for my Samsung tablet, and I was trying to point it to the Music share on UnRAID where all my music files are stored in FLAC format, but I didn't have much luck. The app found the UnRAID server (it recognized the IP address), but it doesn't seem able to drill down to the MUSIC folder, or all of the subsequent Artist/Album sub-folders. I raised a question about it on the Neutron forum, and someone has just posted back to say that currently, Neutron only supports SMB1, and they raised that as possibly being the issue? I know that a number of other devices I have can access other shares on the server using SMB without issue, but I'm not technically proficient enough to know which version of SMB they're using...or even which version of SMB the UnRAID server uses or offers. I'd like to get this app working (acknowledging that SMBv1 poses a security risk), but I don't know if this is possible, or even a good idea, or if there are any downstream implications I need to consider. I'd be grateful if someone could offer me some help/advice.

Many thanks Frank! I ran the New Permissions tool on the problem share, and it works. I entered the correct credentials, and I can now access everything on the UNRAID server from my linux PC. Thanks again!

Sorry, I see how to do that - and I can now access the Backups share, but now I'm getting the permissions error appearing when I try to access a sub-folder in Backups. Because that's a sub-folder of a share, and not a share, there must be some different mechanism that controls access to that? FWIW - I seem to be able to access other sub-folders within the Backups share...

Unraid version 6.12.6 Hi all, I'm in the process of migrating from a windows pc to a linux pc (linux mint). I'll be the first to admit that adopting good security habits on unraid has never been a strength of mine. I'm trying to replicate a bunch of different aspects of my workflow on my windows pc over to my new linux pc. Getting access to the unraid webgui was very easy - I have the same credentials set up on both pc's so - no problem there. However whe I connect to the unraid server using the linux equivalent of windows explorer there are some notable differences. From my windows pc I can access (read/write/update) pretty much anything (any folder, sub-folder or file), and no logon is required. From my linux pc there are some share folders I can definitely enter and read without any issues, but there are some shares I can't even open, and the failure message says it's a permission issue. I have NO memory of setting that up - deliberately or accidentally). Currently, from the windows pc, I don't need any credentials at all. I just open windows explorer, and when 'SERVER' appears in the network area of windows explorer I can access any of the share folders from there. Alternatively, from my linux pc I can use Nemo (linux equivalent of windows explorer) to connect to the network, and I'll see 2 entries - Server (File Sharing) and Server (Remote Login). Currently, I'm selecting 'Server (File Sharing)'. From there I do get a page that allows me to put in credentials if required, but after that I can see the list of share folders. For some reason I can open the media folder and every sub-folder and files without issue, but if I try to get into the Backups share I'm getting the permissions error showing. FWIW I also have a number of media streaming devices that connect from within our home that currently have full read access to the media share - I don't want to mess that up while changing security settings. Is there a document or wiki page, or pages you can refer me to so I can learn to get correct access set up on my linux pc? Also, it would be good to set access up for my wife to access anything, and to set up read-only access for my sons. Any help - even pointing me to some online document/wiki or post so I can learn how to set up file access properly would be appreciated! Many thanks!

Great sensible procedure! Thanks JorgeB! Disconnecting all drives I was able to get Unraid to boot, and then shut down and added each drive in - one at a time, until all were connected and found in the correct location. The only thing we did find was one of the molex connectors providing power to the lower cage had had one of its 'pin slots' pushed out the back of the connector. Once we'd checked all drives were connected without issue, we shutdown one last time, re-seated the pin, re-connected and fired up the server without any further issues. Thanks again for stepping in with a calm, clear head! Much appreciated.

Hi there, After identifying that my HDDs mounted in a Norco drive cage were not getting enough cooling, my son & I opened up the server, disconnected the SATA cables and the molex cables and replaced the fan in each cage (got 2 cages and a total of 8 data drives & 1 parity drive. We were careful to mark the cables so were could reconnect them properly once the fans were replaced, and after reconnecting all the cables and ensuring the new fans were spinning we closed up the side panels and I tried to connect via the webgui. The connection timed out. I connected up a monitor directly to the server and rebooted to try to see any messages that could give a clue as to the issue. For a start the server usually boots into the Unraid system within 30 seconds (ish) of booting - just after giving a chance to go into the BIOS, but it's not doing that any more and it kind of got stuck. I manually went into the boot menu to manually choose the Unraid USB stick, and then Unraid launched (I might need to revisit the boot issue later, but it's not my biggest problem right now. After watching the screeds of code typical of an Unraid start-up, I noticed Unraid get stuck at the point where an error message was showing... sdb: sdb1 sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-32) ata2: reset failed (errno=-32), retrying in 8 secs It shows this a number of times and then it gives up and moves on. This is WAY out of my depth - all I know is something serious is wrong and I need to get it fixed before proceeding. Help! I've turned the server off at this point, and I'll leave the monitor attached as that's the only feedback I have at this point. Please let me know if there's any further data I need to retrieve (and how to get it) to get to the root cause of the problem, and thanks in advance for any attempts to find the issue!

Changed my mind. It's going to be a lot less work, and much cheaper to switch out the fans on the rear of the norco's for fans that have a higher RPM (and better cooling) rather than change over to using the Icy Dock enclosures. I understand from reading through a review of 3 different "5-in-3" rack units that it's not going to be an easy job to switch these fans over (it's one of the few issues found with the Norco units), but it will solve the high temperatures of the drives issue. The only downside is it might increase how loud the server runs, but this issue is easier to mitigate for me. Thanks to all who contributed and confirmed I DO have a drive temperature issue that needs to be solved.

Yes, I agree. I'm thinking of replacing my Norco SS-500 drive bays with a couple of these... https://www.amazon.com/ICY-DOCK-MB155SP-B-Hot-Swap-Backplane/dp/B00DWHLFMA/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=gwxCr&content-id=amzn1.sym.bb26577c-0540-459a-9c72-0b9dde0900bb%3Aamzn1.symc.da37c481-c687-45c0-9f6a-b1d01f510202&pf_rd_p=bb26577c-0540-459a-9c72-0b9dde0900bb&pf_rd_r=AHCC9AYNSK9261KY3P5J&pd_rd_wg=7pSOj&pd_rd_r=fe6c0f06-56df-420c-95da-d4740527f490&ref_=pd_hp_d_atf_ci_mcx_mr_ca_hp_atf_d&th=1 Does anyone have experience with them? Or....suggest a better alternative? 2 of these would provide an almost identical replacement for the Norco's (5 drives in the rack space of 3) but with better cooling.

Looking at the Attributes tab for each disk in the main webgui, I can see at least 3 of my disks have registered a max temp of 56 degrees, one was 55, and the others range from 46 to 51 degrees. Assuming this is accurate (is this a reliable source for drive temps?) I think it's an indicator that my drives need better cooling than they're currently getting - especially since we're now exiting winter and the warmer weather is likely to drive these temps higher. Can you either confirm that better cooling is required, or tell me where I can get a more accurate temperature range for my drives?

Hi, All disks are set with 'Warning disk temperature threshold (C) = 45' (113 degrees Fahrenheit) and 'Critical disk temperature threshold (C) = 55' (131 degrees Fahrenheit) I believe these are the default settings - I haven't ever changed them.

Hi all, I'm currently running unRAID version 6.12.6 and, over the last year, I've been updating/upgrading all of my disks as I had been running out of space. I've chosen the 12Tb WD Red Pro as my new drive of choice, and I've been replacing all of my 9 disks (1 x parity + 8 data disks), and changing from ReiserFS to xfs at the same time. I have all of my drives mounted in 2 Norco SS500 5 Bay SATA rack modules, and I've been noticing that I'm getting a fairly significant number of high temperature notifications from most (but not all) of the new drives. I believe my previous drives may have run at a lower RPM speed (5400RPM?), but the newer drives run at 7200RPM, and I'm now wondering whether this increased speed is highlighting an issue I haven't had until now. Something I should have thought about when I started the upgrade, but didn't. Now I'm upgrading my 2nd-to-last drive so I think it's too late to choose a different drive type. So, it appears to me that I need improved cooling for my array HDDs. I had a quick look online and it looks like the Norco units are not made any more, so I'd need to either replace the fans equipped in the Norco units with fans that blow more air, or replace the Norco units with a newer 5 Bay SATA rack module with better cooling (Icydock maybe?). Luckily it's still pretty cold at this time of the year, but spring is almost here, and I think this problem will only get worse once the ambient temperatures start to rise. I'm hoping to hear some wisdom from the participants of this forum as to the best way forward. Thanks in advance for any/all suggestions.