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1 hour ago, MPC561 said:
Depends on your mainboard and the used extension cards, as I told nearly all MB´s with RTL network chipset are affected. With the N100DC-ITX it´s not a lot (6.12.4 I had 7W mean consumption, with 6.12.5 I had 9W) so 2W. Other systems may have 5W+ difference. With the energy prices we have in Europe in some countries we discuss here over 5 years of additional energy cost of approx 100 euro in addition. With my system here in Germany and my energy price with 2W more over 5 years it´s only 29 Euro.
Surely not. The correct example would be: Dell sells me a laptop with an OS with hard integrated Browser from another company which stops to work after an update. In this OS I have no admin rights and also BIOS is locked and so it´s not possible to replace the browser/install a new one. Dell sends me to the browser supplier instead of solving the problem with the browser supplier itself.
Limetech selled me UNRAID OS and I expect that it works. They are also my first level support. If they have not a solution they should run to the kernel development team and not me.
It´s of course much more evil than the problem itself.
Yeah, I get that the power consumption will be different based off hardware and that could effect things quite a bit. I still have a hard time getting fussed over that amount of extra power draw. That amount of money over that amount of time is hard for me to care about. I have spent far more money in a far shorter amount of time on far stupider things...
As for the analogy... Limetech does not hard integrate the Kernel, they have to include it for the machine to run but they do not control it, code it, etc. If Dell installs Windows OS on your machine and a Windows Update breaks something do you go to MS, Dell, the webcam driver creators website?
I am sure Limetech, and a lot of other individual people, have reached out to/created tickets for this issue.
1 hour ago, RiDDiX said:
For sure a few watts more arent that bad at all... The main problem with Realtek is Realtek itself. If they dont provide working drivers for Linux it wont work as expected. So nothing to change.
Since a decade of time its always suggested to avoid Realtek with Linux...Truth
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5 hours ago, vmasip said:
I support this statement. It's a pitty that N100DC-ITX increase its idle power by 25%, because from my point of view, this board is the best or one of the best prize-powerConsumption-transcodingCapabilities performance solutions. In addition , there is no fan or noise with SSDs.
Taking all this into account, could this be fixed? @unraid
Going to ask a stupid question but what is the actual power difference between 6.12.4 and 6.12.6 where this kernel bug is?
I ask from the standpoint of one who has never really cared about the power consumption of my server(s). Don't get me wrong I do not go out and look for quad socket xeon motherboards to run unRAID on, but power consumption has never been at the top of my list when building any of my 3 home servers.
5 hours ago, MPC561 said:The problem is not only with this board. It hits nearly every board with Realtek Network Chip (8111, 8168, 8125, 8152). So the problem is much bigger than an N100 Board.
I know already the argumentation will be: It´s the Kernel. We are not developing the kernel. But I paid my license from Limetech after this special board was tested by me and running. Now the state is worse as it consumes more power.
It´s like I would by an iPhone with a new linux based OS and with a big bug and Apple would send me to the Linux Kernel developer that me demands they fix it instead of doing it itself with them...
Your Apple analogy is flawed becuase Apple DOES control the entire chain and do not rely on open source piece for its things.
A better analogy would be your web browser gets an update and stops working on your laptop so you call Dell to fix it cause they sold you the machine.
The Kernel is more complex then your web browser but at the end of the day... hopefully you get my point. I am sure that this bug has hit more than just the unRAID community and the Kernel devs will be looking at it. I am also pretty sure Limetech are not Kernel devs so this issue is not within there wheelhouse.
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Ad blocker maybe?
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24 minutes ago, FlyingTexan said:
and switch to the Mac Minis to run everything.
Going to ask a stupid question... why?
I assume you want to connect all your drives via USB/Thunderbolt docks... but again why?
To me the point of the NAS is that it is all self contained, as much as possible, to the point where I do not have to grab a bunch of docks hanging off the computer.
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6 hours ago, ategan said:
Thank you for your answers. 😀
I know that most of the applications I'm going to use are also on Docker, but I'm less comfortable with this technology.
I highly suggest getting used to and using Docker containters for anything that has them. They are far more light weight then a VM (especially a windows one).
unRAID makes it pretty easy to get up and running with dockers for your apps.
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2 things to check since this is a Ryzen system:
1. Disable global c-states in BIOS
2. If you have sleep enabled for the system disable that.
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20 minutes ago, typewriter said:
Yes, but that does not affect the need to iron out the quirks anyway. Never mind. It's not my intention to be a troll. I like the product. But it's a paid product so stuff should work. Nobody would have cared for another three month of testing to prevent those thing from happening. And frankly I can't understand that anyone came across the time machine problem at Limetech - for months. The rolling release approach that seems to be nearly as common as "subscriptions" in the industry leads basically to rolling betas that are named "releases". Everybody who has to use for example tools like Adobe CC knows what I am talking about. This is frustrating and requires far too much of my time.
I'm not trying to be mean but you fail to grasp the sheer number of hardware configurations out there that can cause different issues to present themselves. Not to mention that Limetech is not in control of the linux kernel nor most/all of the different drivers used in it. The VT-d and NIC combo issue seems to be specific to that configuration and I would NOT expect Limetech to have all configs of hardware covered, heck one hardware config might be perfectly fine from one manufacturer while another has issues; purely because of the BIOS.
Software like Adobe CC should be much easier to control for as it is only the software layer, they don't care so much about the OS (while Limetech has to since they are building an appliance)
As for Time Machine... it has from my experience always been finicky on anything other than Apple hardware or USB drives connected to a Mac. I stopped using it with my Mac laptops and desktop a long time ago for that reason.
Most people are unwilling to test a beta/rc on there machines, but will willing upgrade to a stable release as soon as it is out. The pool of people willing to test is therefore much much lower and the number of different configs available for testing is smaller. It is a catch 22 for both Limetech and the person with the server. I don't upgrade any of my machines to the newest reason right away; my main box stayed on 6.4 until 6.9.2 was out. I doubt my machines will see 6.10 until Christmas, mostly because they are running beautifully right now and I don't want to touch them.
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35 minutes ago, BrandonV said:
You would think that after ALL the RC versions they released, they would have the bugs worked out of this but I guess not.
Ha, as a software dev I can say with certainty that is not how it works. QA (Quality Assurance) and UA (User Acceptance) Testing tend to happen with a very small subset of the actual people that will end up using the product/service. You will almost ALWAYS find bugs once "stable" is released to the masses.
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15 minutes ago, dnyberg said:
Ok, let me clarify: assume the 4TB initial build will have 2 of the 4TB drives as parity. So we add two 6TB, make them the parity drives, free up two of the 4TB's for general storage pool. Depending on how the 6TB drives are used, I have gained either 8 or 12 TB of useful space. Which is it, please?"
Ah, ok, that makes it much more clear. You are taking those 4TB drives that use to be the parity drives and adding them for storage.
In that case you would end up with 8TB of space available.
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3 minutes ago, dnyberg said:
Suppose I made an unraid with a bunch of 4tb drives. Then later on I add a couple of bigger drives, say 6TB. They'd have to be made into parity drives; I understand the biggest-drive rule there. But I wonder about the utilization of space on these mixed size drives. So let me phrase the question most succinctly:
"Do I gain, in this scenario, 8 or 12 TB available storage?"
Thanks!
You gain no space if those drive(s) have to be used as parity.
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I have a handful of the 16GB cruzer fit drives that I bought quite a while back. Knock on wood, all of them have been fine and the customers I have used them for have not reported any problems to me.
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3 hours ago, smino said:
Any Pre-built unraid systems with both 10GBethernet and 1 Gige and ECC ram?
8 bays would do. Preferable on board nvme for cache.
I normally would build it myself, just struggle with free time.
I have the drives for it already. Nice Toshiba 14TB NAS drives.
We do not currently offer anything with 10Gig Ethernet built into the motherboard but if you have a specific build in mind feel free to drop us an email . If you have certain hardware in mind put it in the email and I would be more than happy to discuss a custom build to meet your needs.
The builds on the website are out of date, I am working on a new website so the custom server email form is the best way to get the build you need and want.
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Built a new server for myself and am having an odd issue with the preclear plugin and specifically using the gfjardim script. When I kick it off to do a preclear on this new machine I get the below message in the preview window.
/usr/local/emhttp/plugins/preclear.disk/script/preclear_disk.sh: line 514: 0 * 100 / 0 : division by 0 (error token is "0 ")The main unraid gui shows that the preclear is finished but the machine is definitely still doing something as there is a dd process that is using CPU.
If I start the process using the Joe. L script then the process starts as expected and works.
I am running 6.9.2, the newest version of the plugin, and all that jazz.
I do not particularly care which script I need to use when running preclear but figured I would mention it here in this thread to see if anyone has seen similar.
The new build is a Ryzen 7 5700G, 16GB of RAM on an MSI B550i Gaming Edge Max motherboard.
I have a much older build that is my test system that is running something like an Intel Q6600, 12GB of RAM on a supermicro motherboard and the gfjardim script seems to work perfectly fine on that one.
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2 are production servers, one is a test server I play around on. There will soon be another one added to that mix... so a total of four within the next 6 months
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You all are far nicer than I am. My parity check running full out takes almost a day (have a lot of different disk sizes and some disks are quite old). The people that have access to my server have been told about the parity check that happens at the beginning of the month and since they do not pay anything for the "service" I am providing they do not get to complain when it is slow or goes down for periods of time.
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3 hours ago, dnLL said:
Yup, and flash drives aren't very reliable in 24/7 operation, I've tried plenty of makes and models and anytime I get 300+ days of uptime, I need to change the flash drive since it's corrupted and won't even properly reformat (sometimes it does but I don't trust it anymore). So I definitely don't want to duplicate that problem. You need to have a different flash drive model than the one running on your hardware as well.
I guess I will wait for Limetech to come up with a solution that doesn't involve having a flash drive.
I have flash drives in use since the unRAID 4.7 days... more than 10 years ago. 1 is a USB 1.0 drive and the other is a USB 2.0 drive. both are running fine and not given me any problems.
If you are losing USB drive at 1 per year that seems quite excessive for the amount of writes that should be going to a flash drive normally.
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Very unlikely to happen as Apple itself has dropped AFP from the latest Mac OS Big Sur. You should be able to set up Time Machine to point to an SMB share.
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31 minutes ago, zetabax said:
I don't believe it's an unreasonable request
But it is, with the way the current license model works.
I don't understand how/why it is so hard to purchase a small USB flash drive and boot from that? I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt, just honestly trying to understand why you want this SD module thing working so badly. The USB license model has been in place for a LONG time at this point and is pretty darn reliable.
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19 hours ago, Geremye said:
Any update on the new site? What email should we use to check out the new builds? I am looking to buy one.
Drop me an email via the website and I will get back to you. Let me know what you are looking to do with the server and I can make some suggestions and recommendations on what would best fit your needs.
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I have never specifically bought/used NAS rated drives in any of my unRAID servers I have built for me, my friends, my family, or even the customers who have asked which drives I recommend.
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Got 4 of my old mining rigs up and running on Team unRAID. Limiting factor for my rigs is the availability of work units.
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Would love to throw my mining machines at the team but need a "good/easy" way to get them up and running and have not had the time to research the best way to do that. If anyone is using there mining machine in such a fashion and can point me in the correct direction that would be much appreciated.
EDIT: Never mind, it appears the minig software I run has added support so it is just a matter of me taking the time to get that up and running.
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What size are those 30 drives?
If some of the drive sizes are smaller it might be worth consideration on selling off some of the smaller ones and getting one or two larger ones.
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12 minutes ago, Hoopster said:
I think Greenleaf is still in the game of pre-built systems. They have 10, 13 and 16 drive systems (+ more) on their website. Contact forum user @prostuff1 to see if he can help you.
We do still build systems, though the builds have changed a bit so best to drop up an email.
I am working on a new website though I do not know quite when it will go out.
Do Upgrades to Next Major Version Cost?
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Meh, I do not want to pay a yearly subscription but I will pay for major updates from one version to another.
I do not think the current "Your license is good for every future version" is a sustainable model. I have no problem, and never have had a problem, being charged for upgrades from one major version to another major version.
Edit: I have a half dozen licensed licenses that would likely have to pay to upgrade, though not all boxes would likely get upgraded if the features in the release were needed/wanted.