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Do you need the power of an E5? The new wave of Xeon D boards (I just picked up 3) come with dual SFP+ and a build in LSI controller capable of connecting 16 drives to via 4 onboard SAS connectors. Furthermore the D-1587 offers 16-cores and competes very nicely with many of the E5 chips at 65w.
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I have 2 8TB reds preclearing now.... Will get 2 more next month. These are drives with full manufacturers warranty. I don't trust the pulled apart external drives with no warranty, that's like playing the slot machines in vegas, wether you win or not.
In small quantities I can understand fearing the warranty status of the external drives. But for those looking to stock their large NAS' with these, the choice isn't as simple. If you have $2,000 to spend on drives, you can buy 8 of the externals. You can't even buy 6 of the "full warranty" drives for that. So for anyone who needs 6 drives for example, you're getting 2 spare drives for less money then the person just buying 6 full warranty drives.
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From that same Amazon link here is the $/TB on these:
Price TB $/TB $62.99 1 $62.99 $89.99 2 $45.00 $106.09 3 $35.36 $149.00 4 $37.25 $194.99 5 $39.00 $246.88 6 $41.15 $339.48 8 $42.44
Of course there are other costs associated with drive count. I have 2x6TB parity, with 2x6TB + 3x4TB data and plenty of free space for a while so won't be jumping on these 8TB any time soon.
The Seagates are still a far better value for UnRAID setups at $220 per drive thus $27.50 per TB IMO. I have 8 of them in each of my servers (main and backup) and they have been working great.
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One thing people seem to get hung up on nowadays is bitrot protection (that is not detected at the hardware level) which in fact is incredibly rare, and historically very few NAS type solutions have offered this. Having good protection against disk failure is the main thing for most users. For those who are paranoid about bitrot with unRAID you can now use BTRFS which at least has built in detection of bitrot issues, or use the file integrity plugin which can now give similar checks for any other supported file system.
You also want to have a system where even if you get more failures that are protected by parity the chances are that you will not lose data. One area where it is very hard to explain to a user who has not had problems is how important it is that each drive in an unRAID system is a discrete file system that can be manipulated individually even after extreme issues so even those with no backups rarely see significant amounts of data loss even in multiple failure scenarios.
This is really really such a big thing... The average raid set wil be TOAST if more then an allowed amount of drives fail.. That terrifies me... Its why I run RAID10 at work with spare disks on a shelf..
The simple ability to pull drives out of my enclosure and just put them in a windows box and read them is such a big selling point for me..
But... to each his own.. Some people might be extremy scared of bitrot and not worry about the other thing... To me personally that is weird, like having earthquake insurance for your house but building fires indoors on your table..
Agreed. I have a backup of my important data (non-media) to a local USB external drive on the premises. I also have a cloud backup of that same important data. I also have my entire UnRAID array (56TB) mirrored to a second UnRAID array off-site via VPN connection. To me, having a good backup plan puts my mind at ease much more than bitrot protection does.
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All correct.. but for the "cute toy" remark... bit of a shame.. success bro!
Not really... just like a smartphone that doesn't make reliable calls... when it's prime directive is to be a PHONE, the rest of the stuff is just a toy.
But who are you to determine what UnRAID's "prime directive" is? Sounds like you decided that in your own head.
Oh my, let's see..... yeah, that'd be the CUSTOMER
Don't tell my ya'll learned nothing from the tech bubble at the turn of the century!You're not making sense. What have YOU (the customer) decided UnRAID's primary purpose is?
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All correct.. but for the "cute toy" remark... bit of a shame.. success bro!
Not really... just like a smartphone that doesn't make reliable calls... when it's prime directive is to be a PHONE, the rest of the stuff is just a toy.
But who are you to determine what UnRAID's "prime directive" is? Sounds like you decided that in your own head.
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I'm curious about these MyBooks, having taken others apart in the past and extracted standard WD Green drives from them.
@JimPhreak Why do you think the 8 TB one contains a Red drive? Is it simply that there aren't many other 8 TB WD drives to choose from?
@ijuarez Other MyBooks use encryption in the USB-SATA bridge so that if you format and write to the disk in the enclosure it's completely unreadable if you subsequently remove it, but at least re-formatting it when directly connected to a SATA controller makes it usable again. I'm also aware that some of WD's 2.5-inch USB disks have no SATA connector - the USB port is built into the drive electronics.
Any other information or references would be very useful.
Not sure about the 8TB version but they have a 16TB Duo they just released for pre-order (same ship date as the 8TB WD Red drives themselves) and you can see on the Overview tab that they use the Red Drives.
OK. Thanks. It's just that you said
However you can also purchase their new 8TB My Book External Drive for $250 which has an 8TB Red drive in it.in your OP, which is why I asked.
Yea that was just an assumption based on what I had seen on another forum but it hasn't been confirmed.
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I'm curious about these MyBooks, having taken others apart in the past and extracted standard WD Green drives from them.
@JimPhreak Why do you think the 8 TB one contains a Red drive? Is it simply that there aren't many other 8 TB WD drives to choose from?
@ijuarez Other MyBooks use encryption in the USB-SATA bridge so that if you format and write to the disk in the enclosure it's completely unreadable if you subsequently remove it, but at least re-formatting it when directly connected to a SATA controller makes it usable again. I'm also aware that some of WD's 2.5-inch USB disks have no SATA connector - the USB port is built into the drive electronics.
Any other information or references would be very useful.
Not sure about the 8TB version but they have a 16TB Duo they just released for pre-order (same ship date as the 8TB WD Red drives themselves) and you can see on the Overview tab that they use the Red Drives.
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hey folks,
so i have a E5-2620 v2 available that I'd love to use to upgrade my current APU setup. The thing is, the MB has to be an ITX.
Is anyone aware of an ITX board that would work with E5-2620 v2? I wasn't able to find one.
if that's not a go, I'm considering an i3-6100 build for future proof setup. In general, does the skylake architecture provide significant benefits over older hardware for unraid application? (nas, few dockers and an odd VM for office work, perhaps gaming later on?)
There are no mini-itx boards that support E5 v2 chips but there is one that supports v3 chips if you were able to make a trade for the newer chip.
http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=EPC612D4I#Specifications
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Just an FYI for anyone about to build a new server that WD has finally released their Red series drives in 8TB capacity. You can pre-order them here (they ship on 4/5 apparently) for $350. However you can also purchase their new 8TB My Book External Drive for $250 which has an 8TB Red drive in it. However my assumption is you would not get warranty support on the drive if removed from the external enclosure.
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Does anyone know how (if it's possible) to startup a previously installed docker (mainly Linuxserver.io dockers) without Internet access?
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It doesn't seem to be updating automatically. It was. But now, while at Version 0.9.15.6 it is telling me to update manually. I don't know how to do that. However, I have completely reinstalled the docker. And I'm still at this version. I'm hoping to get Version 0.9.16.0.1754.
Any thoughts?
What do you have your VERSION variable set to?
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How does one download a smart report for a failed drive? When I try it the report just reads the following:
"Smartctl open device: /dev/sdf failed: No such device"
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This MB looks amazing. Any idea what it will cost when it comes out?
Hard to say because Intel hasn't released it's prices for most of the wave-2 Xeon D CPUs yet but I expect that info to be released soon. These boards should be available in mid-to-late March from what I'm hearing. Whenever I hear anything I'll report back.
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In the next month I'll be upgrading/converging my storage server into a 2-in-1 storage server running UnRAID in one VM for my bulk media and Napp-it with ZFS in another for my VMs and dockers. I'm just waiting for this motherboard to be released for sale which has an onboard LSI controller that can connect 16 drives as well as dual 10gig SFP+ ports. So I won't be using the M1015 in my main server anymore going forward (still will in my backup server but haven't had any drive failure issues in that one yet).
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I believe this is exactly the same issue I face and I am using exactly the same controller card. I am struggling with this for a year already and probably around 10+ disks disabled on this controller - none of them was actually faulty.
A few things you can save your time to try out: 1) FW update of the M1015 was done and not helped, 2) Moving failing disk to an on-board controller never have the disk fail again, 3) Replacing M1015 with a new M1015 did not improve things, 4) I have 850W PSU, so it is also not an PSU issue, 5) Replacing all cabling also did not help.
Yesterday someone raised the suggestion not to spin down disks. That's what I will try next. Let's keep each other updated if/once we find a solution.
Thanks for the info steve. The fact that you have tried all of that to no avail doesn't leave me optimistic. Sure I can try not spinning my drives down but that's not really a solution to me considering having the ability to spin my drives down is one of the big reasons why I use UnRAID over other solutions.
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If you think the disks are ok the next things I would try is different controller and power supply.
Power supply is less than 6 months old and is pretty solid. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151124
OK, I had a look at this PS. I think it is a bit quick to say that it adequate for the job. It is only a 450W unit. While the current rating on the 12V bus is 37A (444W), I doubt if it can ever supply that max current on that bus as MB, CPU, fans, etc. will also be drawing power which must be accounted for in that 450W maximum. You did not provide any other information on those components or the the other HD's. Remember that when hard drives are spun-up they require a high initial starting current and there are times when all of the drives are required to spin up at the same time. If that PS goes into power limit mode, most likely it is going to effect every output voltage coming out.
You can find more on PS's in this thread:
http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=12219.0
This is the board I'm using in addition to the 12 disks. http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/D/X10SDV-TLN4F.cfm
You can upgrade the RES2SV240 from the unRAID command line I've done it that way.Have you updated the firmware on the M1015 and RES2SV240 expander?
Firmware for RES2SV240 is available here: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/21686/RAID-Expander-RES2SV240-RES2CV240-RES2CV360-Firmware
It can be updated in unRAID from the command line that is how I updated mine a year or so ago.
I haven't updated the M1015 firmware in some time and never have on the RES2SV240 since I bought it. Can I update both from the UnRAID command line?
I've always done the M1015 from a dos boot flash but there are other methods including UEFI. If you have cross flashed it to be an LSI 9211-8i then it looks like it would work based on the firmware downloads from here: http://www.avagotech.com/products/server-storage/host-bus-adapters/sas-9211-8i#downloads
But I would see if someone else can confirm it since I've only done it from a dos boot flash.
Thanks Bob, I will try and update both when I can and see if that helps.
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Have you updated the firmware on the M1015 and RES2SV240 expander?
Firmware for RES2SV240 is available here: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/21686/RAID-Expander-RES2SV240-RES2CV240-RES2CV360-Firmware
It can be updated in unRAID from the command line that is how I updated mine a year or so ago.
I haven't updated the M1015 firmware in some time and never have on the RES2SV240 since I bought it. Can I update both from the UnRAID command line?
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If you think the disks are ok the next things I would try is different controller and power supply.
Power supply is less than 6 months old and is pretty solid. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151124
I can maybe swap the M1015's between my main and backup server and see if that makes any difference.
In the meantime, how can I re-enable the failed disk without having to do a rebuild?
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Sometimes disks fail and SMART looks healthy, although I agree that having 3 fail like that is improbable, less so if they were bought together, do you have another server? When I have doubts in a case like this I use the disk in another server, if it fails again I know it's really a bad disk.
I have a backup server but that server is fully populated with drives so there is no room to add an additional drive at this time.
I'm confused what triggered these errors though as I don't believe I had any data written to my array since late last night. You can even see that last mover ran without moving anything.
Feb 28 12:00:01 SPE-UNRAID logger: mover started
Feb 28 12:00:01 SPE-UNRAID logger: skipping "Docker"
Feb 28 12:00:01 SPE-UNRAID logger: skipping "Downloads"
Feb 28 12:00:01 SPE-UNRAID logger: skipping "vdisks"
Feb 28 12:00:01 SPE-UNRAID logger: mover finished
Feb 28 12:45:52 SPE-UNRAID kernel: mdcmd (260): spindown 3
Feb 28 13:16:08 SPE-UNRAID kernel: mdcmd (261): spindown 1
Feb 28 13:59:00 SPE-UNRAID php: /usr/local/emhttp/plugins/dynamix.docker.manager/scripts/docker 'restart' 'unifi'
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: vethb1e47cc: renamed from eth0
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth7819134) entered disabled state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth7819134) entered disabled state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID avahi-daemon[5487]: Withdrawing workstation service for vethb1e47cc.
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID avahi-daemon[5487]: Withdrawing workstation service for veth7819134.
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: device veth7819134 left promiscuous mode
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth7819134) entered disabled state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: device veth87a37ae entered promiscuous mode
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth87a37ae) entered forwarding state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth87a37ae) entered forwarding state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID avahi-daemon[5487]: Withdrawing workstation service for vethc67a6bd.
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth87a37ae) entered disabled state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: eth0: renamed from vethc67a6bd
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth87a37ae) entered forwarding state
Feb 28 13:59:01 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth87a37ae) entered forwarding state
Feb 28 13:59:05 SPE-UNRAID emhttp: cmd: /usr/local/emhttp/plugins/dynamix.docker.manager/scripts/docker logs --tail=350 -f unifi
Feb 28 13:59:16 SPE-UNRAID kernel: docker0: port 8(veth87a37ae) entered forwarding state
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:5:0: [sdj] Synchronizing SCSI cache
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:5:0: [sdj] UNKNOWN(0x2003) Result: hostbyte=0x01 driverbyte=0x00
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:5:0: [sdj] CDB: opcode=0x88 88 00 00 00 00 00 5f 02 71 b0 00 00 00 08 00 00
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdj, sector 1593995696
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: md: disk5 read error, sector=1593995632
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:5:0: [sdj] Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: hostbyte=0x01 driverbyte=0x00
Feb 28 14:01:29 SPE-UNRAID kernel: mpt2sas0: removing handle(0x000f), sas_addr(0x5001e677b7db5fed)
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: md: disk5 write error, sector=1593995632
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: md: recovery thread woken up ...
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: write_file: write error 4
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: md: could not write superblock from /boot/config/super.dat
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: md: recovery thread has nothing to resync
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: scsi 2:0:14:0: Direct-Access ATA WDC WD30EFRX-68E 0A82 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: scsi 2:0:14:0: SATA: handle(0x000f), sas_addr(0x5001e677b7db5fed), phy(13), device_name(0x0000000000000000)
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: scsi 2:0:14:0: SATA: enclosure_logical_id(0x5001e677b7db5fff), slot(13)
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: scsi 2:0:14:0: atapi(n), ncq(y), asyn_notify(n), smart(y), fua(y), sw_preserve(y)
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: Attached scsi generic sg9 type 0
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: [sdl] 5860533168 512-byte logical blocks: (3.00 TB/2.72 TiB)
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: [sdl] 4096-byte physical blocks
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: [sdl] Write Protect is off
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: [sdl] Mode Sense: 7f 00 10 08
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: [sdl] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, supports DPO and FUA
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sdl: sdl1
Feb 28 14:01:40 SPE-UNRAID kernel: sd 2:0:14:0: [sdl] Attached SCSI disk
Feb 28 14:02:02 SPE-UNRAID sSMTP[9523]: Creating SSL connection to host
Feb 28 14:02:02 SPE-UNRAID sSMTP[9523]: SSL connection using ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
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It can just happen, a little over a month ago I had three 3TB WD Green fail on the same server within two weeks.
I don't believe any of the disks are bad though. None have any smart errors that I can see and they passed short and long smart tests. I also tested them with WD Data Lifeguard and all passed.
After I replaced the first 2 failed disks, I then ran 3 preclears on them as well and they completed those runs fine.
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So multiple drives, same controller? Is it possible to remove the controller from the picture and use onboard ports?
I have 12 disks attached to the controller (8 in the array, 4 in cache pool). I only have 6 onboard SATA ports.
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SO you've had multiple drives fail on both of your servers? Or just one server?
Multiple drives on the same server. Just not sure how to go about isolating the issue. Plus the disk failures have been weeks apart to so it's hard to pinpoint.
Don't tell my ya'll learned nothing from the tech bubble at the turn of the century!
10gbps over SMB on a 45Drives Storinator
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A "home" network is very subjective at this point. I for one am not running a 4-node vSAN cluster on my home network which requires 10Gb. Is this the norm? Certainly not. But I do expect home users to continue to push the envelope with regard to their home networks especially as cord cutting and home automation becomes more and more popular.
I can tell you this, now that I've been running 10Gb on my home network, everytime I'm at work my file transfers feel SOOOOO slow. You get used to the speed quickly. It's just like when you buy a new TV. There's a reason they say to always buy the biggest TV you can afford that doesn't look ridiculous in the room, it's because you get used to the size so quickly.