Ira Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Hi I'm very new to Unraid so i hope im posting the right place. I'm looking at a SATA card but i dont know if its supported. The spec are (copy from sellers website) Element Type: PCI-E to SATA 3.0 Card Model: PCE8SAT-M01 Master: fit for Marvell 88SE92xx + JMB5XX Interface: PCI-E 1X 2X 4X 8X 16X Support system: fit for Windows 7/8/XP/10 fit for Ubuntu Expansion interface: 8 x SATA3.0 interfaces I'm using ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING with AMD 3700X and the latest version of Unraid (beta) as i had no LAN support on the lastest stable version. Hope you can help me and thank you in advance Edited March 12, 2021 by Ira Solved Quote Link to comment
trurl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Marvell controllers aren't recommended for Unraid Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, Ira said: Master: fit for Marvell 88SE92xx + JMB5XX Nothing with a Marvell chipset is recommended with unRAID. For some they work fine if virtualization/IOMMU is disabled. In most cases they are a problem and can drop drives or cause them not to show up in unRAID. If you need an 8 port SATA card, the suggestion is to go with something based on an LSI chipset. There are many posts in these forums about good cards based on LSI. I personally use the Dell H310 (LSI SAS 2008 chipset), but there are many others from which to choose. Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, Hoopster said: I personally use the Dell H310 (LSI SAS 2008 chipset), but there are many others from which to choose. Can i use a sas card with normal SATA? Im using Seagate Ironwolf pro and WD Red Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Ira said: Can i use a sas card with normal SATA? Im using Seagate Ironwolf pro and WD Red Yes. The recommended LSI chipsets support SAS or SATA drives. The name of the chipset in my card is SAS2008, but all the drive attached to it are WD Red/White SATA drives. Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) cant find your card from someone who wanna ship to me can i use this? https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B07THFN3Q2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A32IGEZ3DX93HZ&psc=1 Edited January 28, 2021 by Ira Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ira said: cant find your card from someone who wanna ship to me can i use this? I am not at all familiar with the 2 ASMedia 1093 chips on that card and it is not listed on the ASMedia site. Avoid anything that has port multipliers/PCIe bridge chips (if that is what the 1093 is) as they will cause disk bottleneck issues. The chips known to work well with unRAID are the following: ASMedia 1061/1062 - 2 SATA ports ASMedia 1064 (seems to be a new chip) - 4 SATA ports JMicron JMB582 - 2 SATA ports JMicron JMB585 - 5 SATA ports Various LSI chips - 8 or more SATA ports. Recommended LSI chipsets are the SAS2008/2308/3008 chipset in IT mode, e.g., 9201-8i, 9211-8i, 9207-8i, 9300-8i, etc and clones, like the Dell H200/H310 and IBM M1015, these latter ones need to be crossflashed. There are a couple of LSI-based cards that support 16 SATA drives. Edited January 28, 2021 by Hoopster Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Damn you make it hard for me to find a card 😅 Most cards i found use more than 1 chip But im happy you can tell it so easy so i can find the right card (never played with a real server befor and no I/O cards) Anyway could you check the two i think they should be okay (after a few hrs looking to find anyone that will send to my) Technical data: Model: 9212-4i State: open field Interface: PCI-E x8/x16 Support Hard Drive: Support 8TB Hard Drive including SATA and SAS.Support 4 Hard Drives at the same time Hard drive interfaces: 4 Chipset: LSI SAS 2008 RAID level: 0/1 / 1E / 10 Compatible system: For Windows 10 / 8/7 comes with a plug and play driver, for Win7 Pure System and for XP you need to install the driver manually, support for QunHui 5.2 / 6.0 / 6.1 (black rock), no need to install a driver, directly recognise the hard driveBR> working mode: dual mode optional Working mode 1: IR mode Work Mode 2: IT Mode (Latest firmware version P20) Size: Approx. 170 x 120 x 20 mm / 6.69 x 4.72 x 0.79 inches. If this can work should i get the IR or IT version? https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Tonysa-Memory-Controller-Windows-Driver/dp/B07VNKR88C/ref=sr_1_43?dchild=1&keywords=SAS2008&qid=1611871687&refinements=p_76%3A419123031&rnid=419121031&rps=1&sr=8-43&th=1 Specification: Eight internal 6Gb/s SAS / SATA ports Optional two internal mini SAS ports (SFF-8087) 6 Gbps throughput per port 800 MHz processor with LSI SAS2108 RAID on chip controller with 6 Gbps x8 PCI-E 2.0 host interface Built-in data cache (DDR2 with 800MHz): ServeRAID M5015: 512MB Battery Backup Unit BBU08 Live Failure Indicator Connects to up to 32 SAS or SATA drives RAID level: 0, 1, 5. RAID Expansion: 10, 50 Automatic recovery during reconstruction Automatic recovery during reconstruction Online capacity expansion (OCE) Online RAID Level Upgrade (RLM) Global and special hot spare parts with support function for recoverable hot spare parts. Automatic reconstruction. Container affinity Emergency SATA Hot Replacement Parts for SAS Array Unified Controller Multipath (Failover) E/A load compensation. Comprehensive and comprehensive RAID management suite. The LSI 6Gb/s memory adapter is compatible with existing 3Gb/s SATA and SASDHDD systems. CompatibleSpread Spectrum Clocking, SSC, Decision Feedback, DFE, Expander Self-Discovery, Self-Configuration, Standardised Zonation. Package contents: 1 x M5015 array card. Note: 1. IBM ServeRAID M5015 46M0829 46M0851 will be sent at random. 2. This product has been removed from IBM Server, not a whole new product, no retail package. https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Bewinner-46M0851-Controller-9260-8i-Support-Default/dp/B07V47G4VB/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=SAS2008&qid=1611871687&refinements=p_76%3A419123031&rnid=419121031&rps=1&sr=8-4 Thank you in advance. I love that people help it seem that i whent for the right software/forum to build my first server Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ira said: Damn you make it hard for me to find a card 😅 Not my intention. I just want to make sure you get a card that will actually work well for you. Multiple chip cards are almost always using port multipliers. This may be fine for a desktop PC where it is very unlikely that all attached drives are actively reading or writing at the same time. In unRAID, however, this happens with every parity check or disk rebuild/replacement and causes severe bottlenecks. 1 hour ago, Ira said: Technical data: Model: 9212-4i State: open field Interface: PCI-E x8/x16 Support Hard Drive: Support 8TB Hard Drive including SATA and SAS.Support 4 Hard Drives at the same time Hard drive interfaces: 4 Chipset: LSI SAS 2008 RAID level: 0/1 / 1E / 10 Compatible system: For Windows 10 / 8/7 comes with a plug and play driver, for Win7 Pure System and for XP you need to install the driver manually, support for QunHui 5.2 / 6.0 / 6.1 (black rock), no need to install a driver, directly recognise the hard driveBR> working mode: dual mode optional Working mode 1: IR mode Work Mode 2: IT Mode (Latest firmware version P20) Size: Approx. 170 x 120 x 20 mm / 6.69 x 4.72 x 0.79 inches. If this can work should i get the IR or IT version? IT mode is best. Yes this card will work for unRAID in IT mode. See this link. If it can come to you already flashed with IT firmware P20 (version 20.0.0.7) that is best. If not, there are instructions in the linked thread or in these forums about flashing yourself. You can find cards based on the same chipset that support 8 drives; like the 9211-8i. My Dell H310 uses the same chip and is a clone of the 9211-8i. Here is one that says it can be shipped to many countries. The second one you listed, even though it supports 8 SATA drives, is a RAID card. This is not always a problem if the chipset supports flashing to IT mode. I think the SAS2108 chipset is a MegaRAID chipset. Any MegaRAID based card cannot usually be flashed to IT mode and is RAID only. The guaranteed known to work with unRAID in IT mode LSI chipsets are those I listed above SAS2008, SAS2308, SAS3008. There are some others, but those have proven to be the most popular. Edited January 29, 2021 by Hoopster Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 By the way, with these cards that have Mini SAS connectors, you need forward breakout cables that have one SFF-8087 mini SAS to 4 SATA cables. My card takes two of those. These cables are what I bought. Notice they say explicitly they are forward breakout cables. Reverse breakout cables look the same but will not work. Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 crap 2 hours ago, Ira said: Support Hard Drive: Support 8TB Hard Drive including SATA and SAS.Support 4 Hard Drives at the same time does this mean total of 8TB on the card or no bigger than 8TB drives? The problem with items from outside EU is shipping will be more than item price and then come tax >_< Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ira said: does this mean total of 8TB on the card or no bigger than 8TB drives? Probably at the time the card was released, 8TB was the largest size available. I doubt there is a limit of 8TB in size. In general, any HBA card that supports drives greater than 2.2TB in size is going to support any drive size available today. All four drives connected to the card can be 8TB+ in size. It would take a really old controller to run into the 2.2TB size limitation. I currently have five 8TB drives connected to my H310 and can connect three more. 8TB is not a limit, It is just the size I am currently using. Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 I have been trying to find your card but ether it cost like $200 or they wont deliver to me >_< Okay ill try that card and hope for the best Thank you very much for your help Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ira said: I have been trying to find your card but ether it cost like $200 or they wont deliver to me >_< LSI 9211-8i, IBM M1015 and Dell H310/H200 are all basically the same card if you can find any of those. You certainly don't need to have one of those as there are many good options. They just support 8 drives as apposed to 4 drives for the card you have found. The good thing about the 4 drive card is that it uses normal SATA cables to connect to the drives. My card requires the SFF-8087 to SATA breakout cables for 8 drives. Edit: It does say this in the Amazon listing for the card which is interesting. I have not seen a size limit specified on most cards. Not sure if that means it cannot support larger drives: "4 standard 6GB SATA/SAS interfaces. Supports SAS hard drives, maximum capacity for single hard drives is 8TB." Edited January 29, 2021 by Hoopster Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 Sooo i gave it one more look and i think i found a 8 port card can you have look? If it dont work i will give up and go with the 4 port one >_< https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B01M2AC40Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ADD8GDUWB40L7&psc=1 Size Name:LSI9211-8I Features: 8. 6 GB/s SATA + SAS ports Two x4 internal SFF8087 Mini-SAS connectors MD2 low-profile form design IO Controller: LSISAS2008/Fusion MPT 2.0 – Connectivity: 8 ports Data transfer rate: 6.0 Gb/s SAS 2.0 compliant SAS Bandwidth: 600 MB/s per lane Port Configurations: 8 ea, x1 ports (individual drives) or 2 ea, x4 wide port Host Bus: X8 lane, PCI Express 2.0 compliant PCI Data Burst Transfer Rates: X8, PCIe 4000 MB/s Physical Dimensions: Low Profile (2nd 6 x 16.8 cm) Connectors: Two Mini-SAS internal connectors (SFF8087) Brackets: Full Height and Low Profile Cable Support: Passive Copper PCI Card Type: 3.3 V add in card Operating Voltage: + 12 V +/-8%; 3.3 V +/-8% – Power Handling (Nominal): 7 W typical (airflow Min 200 LFM Device Support: 256 Non-RAID SAS/SATA devices Integrated RAID (IR): RAID 0, 10 per volume RAID 1, per volume plus hot spare RAID 1E, 10 per volume RAID 10,10 per volume Environment: Operation: - 0 °C to 55 °C Range: -45 °C up to 105 °C 5 to 90% Non-condensing: 5 to 90% Non-condensing MTBF: > 2,000,000 hours I would prefer 8 port card as i only have 2 free now and i have 8 disk from my nas im moving when i get a card 😅 Quote Link to comment
trurl Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ira said: Integrated RAID (IR) Would need to 2 hours ago, Hoopster said: be flashed to IT mode Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ira said: Sooo i gave it one more look and i think i found a 8 port card can you have look? Yes, that card will work. It is essentially the same one I have from a chipset, layout and features standpoint. You will need the forward breakout cables with that card. Mine came with RAID firmware and I flashed it with IT mode firmware. If that card comes with RAID firmware, you will need to do the same. Don't connect SATA SSDs to it as it does not support TRIM. Always connect SATA SSDs to motherboard ports. For hard drives, this card will work very well for you. Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoopster said: You will need the forward breakout cables with that card. What does that mean? Is that the 1 to 4 cable (SFF8087 Mini-SAS)? Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Ira said: What does that mean? Is that the 1 to 4 cable (SFF8087 Mini-SAS)? Yes - 1 Mini SAS SFF-8087 connector to 4 SATA connectors. Make sure they are forward cables an not reverse cables. Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hoopster said: Make sure they are forward cables an not reverse cables. Not sure what that means? I found this cable Product description: Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) is a high-speed data storage interface for high throughput and fast data access. The SAS interface is primarily intended for data storage centers, backwards compatible with SATA. This allows the user to mix more expensive, lower capacity SAS drives for applications that require faster data access and higher reliability, with cheaper, higher capacity SATA drives for applications with lower access speeds. Characteristics: Connector A: 1 x 36 pin 4i Mini MultiLane SAS (SFF-8087) connector Connector B: 4 x 7-pin Serial ATA socket SAS lane number: 4 lanes. Data rate: 6 Gbit / s per channel. AWG30 Twinaxial 8 Pairs High Bandwidth Low Skew Wire Impedance = 100 ohms. Crossover wiring Heavy duty wire construction with 8 pairs. Exceeds SAS 1.1 and SAS 2 specifications. Applications: Data center Servers, storage shelves, RAID systems. External storage systems. SAS / SATA HBA interfaces Direct Attached Storage (DAS) Switch range Can that work? Quote Link to comment
Hoopster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ira said: Not sure what that means? I found this cable Product description: Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) is a high-speed data storage interface for high throughput and fast data access. The SAS interface is primarily intended for data storage centers, backwards compatible with SATA. This allows the user to mix more expensive, lower capacity SAS drives for applications that require faster data access and higher reliability, with cheaper, higher capacity SATA drives for applications with lower access speeds. Characteristics: Connector A: 1 x 36 pin 4i Mini MultiLane SAS (SFF-8087) connector Connector B: 4 x 7-pin Serial ATA socket SAS lane number: 4 lanes. Data rate: 6 Gbit / s per channel. AWG30 Twinaxial 8 Pairs High Bandwidth Low Skew Wire Impedance = 100 ohms. Crossover wiring Heavy duty wire construction with 8 pairs. Exceeds SAS 1.1 and SAS 2 specifications. Applications: Data center Servers, storage shelves, RAID systems. External storage systems. SAS / SATA HBA interfaces Direct Attached Storage (DAS) Switch range Can that work? Yes, from the description it could be OK, or they could be reverse cables. Reverse cables are usually used when connecting SATA ports to a disk shelf or backplane. The problem is that they look exactly the same and there is no way to tell unless the product description specifies the direction. See the cables I linked in this post as an example: Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 Found one that says it in the name so im going with them Thank you very much ill place the order and wait for about 1 week befor all the fun with flashing start 🤣 Quote Link to comment
Ira Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 So i got the card we talked about i think i killed >_< bougt a cheaper one with 2 chipset and it worked fine LOL Anyway thank you alot for your help Quote Link to comment
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