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Unraid with SMR Harddisks

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Good day.

 

I built a home server a few months ago and decided to go for TrueNAS with two 8 TB harddisks. They were initially configured with mirror raid. Now that i need more storage, i was going to migrate to raidz1 (raid 5), but it turns out SMR harddisks is not recommended. This is due to TrueNAS using ZFS.

 

After some research, unraid is a possible solution for all this. I was wondering if someone can tell me if this is going to work fine with Unraid, here are my use cases:

  • Download and store movies and tv series, primarily.
  • I also store some libre office files on a seperate share, it is critical that these files are not corrupted/lost.

 

my requirements:

  • I need to have a big amount of storage to store movies and tv shows. When/if i move to unraid, i will have 4 harddisks, and i should be able to at any point just add more harddisks to increase the unraid disk pool/array.
  • If a harddisk fails, all i need to do is to purchase a new one and insert it and it will replicate the data from the other harddisks to the new one. I'm thinking a 1-hdd loss is enough.
  • It needs to be compatible with SMR harddisks, so that i wont bump into problems down the line.
  • I'm sure this is possible, but easily deploy SMB shares within unraid.

 

Migrating from TrueNAS. I've been using TrueNAS ever since i got the harddrives, and i used 3.5 TB of data. These are mostly movies and tv shows i want to move over to unraid. I would assume i would just wipe the drives, so i can get the unraid pool created with its proper file system and raid configuration. Once complete, i would just import the data from a harddrive with all the data. Is this accurate?

 

There was a whole discussion about this over at the TrueNAS forums.

Solved by JorgeB

41 minutes ago, kriss0706 said:

compatible with SMR harddisks

Parity will be better with CMR but SMR for array data disks is OK.

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57 minutes ago, trurl said:

Parity will be better with CMR but SMR for array data disks is OK.

With TrueNAS there was a small chances of files going missing/corrupt, i got the impression that this wouldn't be the case of Unraid. As long as i won't lose any data with SMR on Unraid i am happy with that.

Get a CMR disk for parity and keep the SMR disks as data. I've had 1 8TB SMR for years as data and it's been fine and doesn't seem to have any performance impact, but it seldomly gets written to. 

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5 hours ago, kriss0706 said:

i got the impression that this wouldn't be the case of Unraid

Correct, that should never be an issue if they are used in the array.

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8 hours ago, kriss0706 said:

With TrueNAS there was a small chances of files going missing/corrupt, i got the impression that this wouldn't be the case of Unraid. As long as i won't lose any data with SMR on Unraid i am happy with that.

 

Still worth pointing out that for important files you cannot afford to lose should have a backup strategy that keeps copies of such files off the server.   This is sound strategy regardless of the types of disks used.

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9 hours ago, foo_fighter said:

Get a CMR disk for parity and keep the SMR disks as data. I've had 1 8TB SMR for years as data and it's been fine and doesn't seem to have any performance impact, but it seldomly gets written to. 

Currently getting a CMR harddisk is out of the picture, but i suppose that can be done down the line. I was planning on just using a 250 GB SSD as a cache disk, hopefully this could make things a bit smoother.

 

7 hours ago, JorgeB said:

Correct, that should never be an issue if they are used in the array.

This is great to hear. So far i think Unraid is exactly what im looking for.

 

4 hours ago, itimpi said:

 

Still worth pointing out that for important files you cannot afford to lose should have a backup strategy that keeps copies of such files off the server.   This is sound strategy regardless of the types of disks used.

Yeah, that is a good ppint. I will just move libre office files over to my WD NAS instead.

 

These are all great responses. I think i should have it all covered.

 

14 hours ago, kriss0706 said:

Migrating from TrueNAS. I've been using TrueNAS ever since i got the harddrives, and i used 3.5 TB of data. These are mostly movies and tv shows i want to move over to unraid. I would assume i would just wipe the drives, so i can get the unraid pool created with its proper file system and raid configuration. Once complete, i would just import the data from a harddrive with all the data. Is this accurate?

Can someone confirm that this is the case in terms of a migration from TrueNAS to Unraid? I've never used Unraid before, and TrueNAS is also relatively new to me.

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31 minutes ago, kriss0706 said:

Can someone confirm that this is the case in terms of a migration from TrueNAS to Unraid?

It will depend on which TrueNAS released the pool was created, post the output from:

 

zpool status -LP

 

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15 minutes ago, JorgeB said:

It will depend on which TrueNAS released the pool was created, post the output from:

 

zpool status -LP

 

Sure, here's a pastebin.

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It's not showing the partitions, I think because it's an older release on FreeBSD, not Scale on Linux, post output of:

 

gpart show

 

But most likely it will be using swap partitions.

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3 minutes ago, JorgeB said:

It's not showing the partitions, I think because it's an older release on FreeBSD, not Scale on Linux, post output of:

 

gpart show

 

But most likely it will be using swap partitions.

Another pastebin: gpart show

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  • Solution
freebsd-swap (2.0G)

 

Yep, the pool cannot be automatically imported for now, it should be possible in the near future, for now, you would need to manually remove the swap partitions:

 

https://forums.unraid.net/topic/153274-how-to-non-irreversibly-migrate-from-truenas-core-with-zfs-to-unraid/?do=findComment&comment=1369139

 

Note that doing this does not prevent you from going back to TrueNAS (Core or Scale) later if you like.

 

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5 minutes ago, JorgeB said:

it should be possible in the near future

Is there an estimate for when this feature should be available? I could simply postpone this migration until that is in order. I would much rather have unraid handle this process. My current setup with TrueNAS "works", i just can't add more harddisks to my truenas pool.

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11 minutes ago, kriss0706 said:

Is there an estimate for when this feature should be available?

Should be soon, but don't know of an ETA.

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1 minute ago, JorgeB said:

Should be soon, but don't know of an ETA.

Alright thanks anyway.

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