July 26, 201213 yr Xander Hardware: ===================================================================================================== Case: Norco 4224 - 24 hotswap bays - $395 Case Mid Fan Wall 120MM: 120MM Fan wall for Norco 4224 - $0 Case Middle Fans: Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm Fan x 3 - $75 ($25 each) Case Rear Fans: Noctua NF-R8-1800 80mm Fan x 2 - $36 ($18 each) Power Supply: SeaSonic 1000W 80+ PLATINUM Modular - $187 Accessory - 1to7 Molex Connector: NORCO C-P1T7 4 Pin Molex 1 Male to 7 Female Power Extension Splitter Cable - $8 Accessory - Norco BALL-BEARING Rails: RL-26 Rails - $40 Mobo: SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SCM-F-O LGA 1155 Intel C204 Micro ATX Intel Xeon E3 Server Motherboard - $175 CPU: Intel E3-1230 V2 - $236 RAM: Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Intel Model KVR13E9/8I x 2 - $158 ($79 each) RAID Controller Cards (for 5 of the 6 SAS connectors): undecided (thinking the LSI 9211-8 or the M1015)... Dont want hardware raid at all. The LSI is pretty expensive for 3 cards Backplane to onboard SATA ports Cable: NORCO C-SFF8087-4S Discrete to SFF-8087 (Reverse breakout) Cable - $15 1x 2.5 120GB hdd laying around for OS Shipping Costs: $8 Total (so far): $1333 Chassis: ~$750 (about $200 saving over supermicro 24 bay). Processing Guts (Mobo/CPU/RAM): ~$570 HDD Facilitation Guts (RAID cards, SAS cabling etc): $15+? =====================================================================================================
July 30, 201213 yr Author Narrowed down my mobo/ram/cpu to something like this: Mobo: unordered: TYAN S5512GM4NR ATX Server Motherboard LGA 1155 Intel C204 DDR3 1600 - $240 CPU: unordered Intel E3-1230 V2 - $235 RAM: unordered Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Intel Model KVR13E9/8I x 2 - $170 ($85 each) Why Tyan over SuperMicro? Couple reasons that I been musing over: > Web based IPMI - My understanding is the SuperMicro offerings all require you to download a client to access the software. Web based IPMI allows Java based KVM over IP (Which is a typical style that Dell/HP/etc offer). I like Web based management with not OS level limitations other than web based tech (ie Java/javascript) > Preboot bios flashing. Not sure if the supermicro had this. Handy if new bios update is needed for updated CPU. > 4 Built in Gig NICs.... FOUR!! Also supposedly supported by Esxi/proxmox etc. with no hacking/patching. > ATX sized board (vs mATX supermicro), PCI x16 slot with 2 x8, 2 internal USB slots (vs 1 in supermicro I saw)
July 30, 201213 yr Very impressive build. I would recommend not using the one to seven power splitter. Eighteen gauge wire just is not meant to have 48+ amps. Apart from the possible heat problems, there will be a voltage loss on the 12 volt line on the order of 1 volt during simultaneous disk spin up. Use three Molex lines from the power supply, each supplying two backplanes. http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=15773.msg146800#msg146800 http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=16180.msg149707#msg149707
July 31, 201213 yr Author Good thought. I had not encountered issues with this before as I had not been using all the slots on the Norco so the load (if there ever was any) on the splitter was never high enough to cause issues. I will look into having three molex lines from the power supply. I hope my cables reach. -dpc
August 1, 201213 yr > Web based IPMI - My understanding is the SuperMicro offerings all require you to download a client to access the software. Web based IPMI allows Java based KVM over IP (Which is a typical style that Dell/HP/etc offer). I like Web based management with not OS level limitations other than web based tech (ie Java/javascript) Not sure about the other things, but you don't need the client to use IPMI, it's web-based and for KVM it launches a Java session and works great...
August 4, 201213 yr Author Not sure about the other things, but you don't need the client to use IPMI, it's web-based and for KVM it launches a Java session and works great... Explain? Do you mean you can hit IPMI without the supermicro application (like Dell/Tyan does)? Does it use a specific port? -dpc
August 4, 201213 yr it is just port 80 on the ipmi ip address. The SM client is just handy if you have several SM boards.
August 4, 201213 yr Author Well that changes things. Will look into other supermicro boards as well as i thought they were bound to the app.... yeesh what a rookie assumption to make. Thanks Johnm, dpc
August 4, 201213 yr People are reporting in the Atlas thread that the Tyan boards, while nice, do have a bug in the IPMI. They are reporting that they do not reboot/start up/shut down properly from ipmi and you you still need to hit a power switch. to me that's an epic fail if it is true. My guess is is, thats fixable with a bios/firmware patch if true.
August 5, 201213 yr Xander Hardware: ===================================================================================================== Case: Norco 4224 - 24 hotswap bays - $395 Case Mid Fan Wall 120MM: 120MM Fan wall for Norco 4224 - $0 Case Middle Fans: Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm Fan x 3 - $75 ($25 each) Case Rear Fans: Noctua NF-R8-1800 80mm Fan x 2 - $36 ($18 each) Power Supply: SeaSonic 1000W 80+ PLATINUM Modular - $187 Accessory - 1to7 Molex Connector: NORCO C-P1T7 4 Pin Molex 1 Male to 7 Female Power Extension Splitter Cable - $8 Accessory - Norco BALL-BEARING Rails: RL-26 Rails - $40 Mobo: unordered: TYAN S5512GM4NR ATX Server Motherboard LGA 1155 Intel C204 DDR3 1600 - $240 CPU: unordered Intel E3-1230 V2 - $235 RAM: unordered Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Intel Model KVR13E9/8I x 2 - $170 ($85 each) RAID Controller Cards (for 5 of the 6 SAS connectors): undecided (thinking the LSI 9211-8 or the M1015)... Dont want hardware raid at all. The LSI is pretty expensive for 3 cards Backplane to onboard SATA ports Cable: NORCO C-SFF8087-4S Discrete to SFF-8087 (Reverse breakout) Cable - $15 1x 2.5 120GB hdd laying around for OS Shipping Costs: $8 Total (so far): $764 Chassis: ~$750 (about $200 saving over supermicro 24 bay). Processing Guts (Mobo/CPU/RAM): ~$645 HDD Facilitation Guts (RAID cards, SAS cabling etc): $15+? ===================================================================================================== Hi the prices you listed for the parts are much cheaper than on NewEgg. how come?
August 5, 201213 yr People are reporting in the Atlas thread that the Tyan boards, while nice, do have a bug in the IPMI. They are reporting that they do not reboot/start up/shut down properly from ipmi and you you still need to hit a power switch. to me that's an epic fail if it is true. My guess is is, thats fixable with a bios/firmware patch if true. For me the IPMI or the power switch are the only things that work. When you try to shutdown from the ESXi console on a Tyan S5512 board it just restarts. I have to bring up the IPMI screen for the PC in a browser and shut it down from there or use power button. Otherwise the Tyan board works fine for me.
August 6, 201213 yr People are reporting in the Atlas thread that the Tyan boards, while nice, do have a bug in the IPMI. They are reporting that they do not reboot/start up/shut down properly from ipmi and you you still need to hit a power switch. to me that's an epic fail if it is true. My guess is is, thats fixable with a bios/firmware patch if true. For me the IPMI or the power switch are the only things that work. When you try to shutdown from the ESXi console on a Tyan S5512 board it just restarts. I have to bring up the IPMI screen for the PC in a browser and shut it down from there or use power button. Otherwise the Tyan board works fine for me. Good info. thanks for the clarification..
August 7, 201213 yr People are reporting in the Atlas thread that the Tyan boards, while nice, do have a bug in the IPMI. They are reporting that they do not reboot/start up/shut down properly from ipmi and you you still need to hit a power switch. to me that's an epic fail if it is true. My guess is is, thats fixable with a bios/firmware patch if true. Strange, I haven't had that issue at all. I have rebooted/powered on/started/and shut down from ipmi. If that didn't work for me, it would truly be an epic fail. Maybe I just got lucky?
August 13, 201213 yr Author the prices you listed for the parts are much cheaper than on NewEgg. how come? Sales, Combo Deals, etc. For example NewEgg had combo that saved me $25 bucks on the supermicro board plus cpu so decided to go with that mobo and save some money. -dpc
August 13, 201213 yr People are reporting in the Atlas thread that the Tyan boards, while nice, do have a bug in the IPMI. They are reporting that they do not reboot/start up/shut down properly from ipmi and you you still need to hit a power switch. to me that's an epic fail if it is true. My guess is is, thats fixable with a bios/firmware patch if true. Strange, I haven't had that issue at all. I have rebooted/powered on/started/and shut down from ipmi. If that didn't work for me, it would truly be an epic fail. Maybe I just got lucky? I think he was going off of my comments in another thread. IPMI was the most reliable shut down for me. Power button second as it didn't always shut down - it restarted a couple of times. Trying to shutdown from ESXi almost never works. It might work from Windows but shutdown from unRAID didn't. It would just restart like it did from the ESXi web console the only 2 times I tried it. I like my Tyan board it is just VERY!!!! annoying to have to bring up an IPMI session to shut it down to make a hardware change. I'm used to being able to shut down the computer from within ESXi on my X9SCM. With the Tyan I have to have two windows open. I shutdown or restart from ESXi then power off from IPMI once ESXi has exited. Not a deal breaker since I don't shutdown often.
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