March 17, 201016 yr You are looking for the fact that it was successfully pre-cleared. (it was) You are looking for any variables stating FAILING_NOW (none of yours are) You are looking for re-allocated sectors, or sectors pending re-allocation. (none are evident) The "Normalized" Seek Error Rate is currently 81. It was 81 prior to the pre-clear. Neither is anywhere near the failure threshold of 30. The "Normalized" Hardware EEC rate is 63, it was 97 prior to the pre-clear, neither is anywhere near the failure threshold of 0. Basically, your disk looks perfectly fine.
March 17, 201016 yr Author You are looking for the fact that it was successfully pre-cleared. (it was) You are looking for any variables stating FAILING_NOW (none of yours are) You are looking for re-allocated sectors, or sectors pending re-allocation. (none are evident) The "Normalized" Seek Error Rate is currently 81. It was 81 prior to the pre-clear. Neither is anywhere near the failure threshold of 30. The "Normalized" Hardware EEC rate is 63, it was 97 prior to the pre-clear, neither is anywhere near the failure threshold of 0. Basically, your disk looks perfectly fine. Awesome; thanks for schooling me Joe. That's the little one; biggun should be done by tonight, and I'll look that with your notes. MP
March 18, 201016 yr Author OK, different drive (make and size), little different results. Still OK? uMP
March 18, 201016 yr Author If it were me, I think I would: 1 - Power down the array and wait for the 1.5T to arrive 2 - Open the case and mount both the 1.5T and the 500G 3 - Preclear the 1.5T (as a way to verify it is a good disk, not because it needs to be precleared). If the disk has reallocated sectors or other problems - you need to consider clean living and then try again ) 4 - Mount the new disk. Joe L. has posted instructions on how to do this. You can also do it via unMenu. You can also mount the disk as a cache disk if you disable the mover script. How do I mount the disk in unMENU? So I mount it, and do a copy (?), without adding the drive to the array? I don't wanna screw this up; can someone step-by-step me? 5 - Copy everything from the 2 failing disks to the 1.5T drive. 6 - Power down, remove the 2 old disks. Power up and boot unRAID. 7 - From devices tab assign your 2 good disks (1.5T and 500G) to disk slots, from the main tab press the "Restore" button (to forget about the old disks and redefine the array with to include just the currently configured drives). 8 - Start the array - wait for parity to build. 9 - Run a parity check. If parity errors - you have other problems. Check all the smart reports. Hopefully you will have a clean and stable array.
March 18, 201016 yr Do you have unmenu installed yet? That would be the first step. The newest version is available here: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=5568.0 download the two zip files, unzip them to an "unmenu" directory you create at the root of your flash drive. If you log in via telnet, the flash drive is mounted at /boot You would type mkdir /boot/unmenu to create the directory. after you unzip the files and copy them to that directory, you can start the unmenu web-server, type /boot/unmenu/uu then, point your web-browser to //tower:8080 Then, click on the "Disk Management" link at the top of the page. You should see your pre-cleared 1.5TB drive in the lower part of the page. To the right will be a "Create File-System" button. You'll want to press that button. It should only appear on the disk that has no existing file-system. Once you create the file-system you should see a button to "mount file-system" Pressing it will then enable yet another button to create a "share" on the lan for that disk. I'm pretty sure the disk will be mounted as read-only. (by design) so you'll need to issue a command to make it writable mount -orw,remount /dev/sdX1 where X = the device letter. Note the trailing "1" as you are mounting the first partition. If you get this far, you should be able to copy from your other disks to the new share on the LAN by using your browser. (easiest, but slow) If you want to be a bit faster, you can copy the disk contents from the old drives to the new on the command line under linux. That way the contents do not have to go from the server, over the LAN to the pc, and then back to the server. (Let's get you to this point first) Let me know when you get that far. Joe L.
March 18, 201016 yr Author Do you have unmenu installed yet? That would be the first step. The newest version is available here: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=5568.0 download the two zip files, unzip them to an "unmenu" directory you create at the root of your flash drive. If you log in via telnet, the flash drive is mounted at /boot You would type mkdir /boot/unmenu to create the directory. after you unzip the files and copy them to that directory, you can start the unmenu web-server, type /boot/unmenu/uu then, point your web-browser to //tower:8080 Then, click on the "Disk Management" link at the top of the page. You should see your pre-cleared 1.5TB drive in the lower part of the page. To the right will be a "Create File-System" button. You'll want to press that button. It should only appear on the disk that has no existing file-system. Once you create the file-system you should see a button to "mount file-system" Pressing it will then enable yet another button to create a "share" on the lan for that disk. I'm pretty sure the disk will be mounted as read-only. (by design) so you'll need to issue a command to make it writable mount -orw,remount /dev/sdX1 where X = the device letter. Note the trailing "1" as you are mounting the first partition. If you get this far, you should be able to copy from your other disks to the new share on the LAN by using your browser. (easiest, but slow) If you want to be a bit faster, you can copy the disk contents from the old drives to the new on the command line under linux. That way the contents do not have to go from the server, over the LAN to the pc, and then back to the server. (Let's get you to this point first) Let me know when you get that far. Joe L. Yes, already had unMENU JL. I'll work the rest. Don't see "create file system" button uMP
March 18, 201016 yr Author create resierfs is the filesystem button OK, ran this; seemed to be taking a while in my browser...like it was just hung. So I refreshed; can't hit unMENU on 8080 anymore. I can get to http://unserver, but not 8080. Waiting it out. CD
March 18, 201016 yr On an unrelated matter...why, if I'm trying to respond by typing under a quote...or sometimes it happens with images in the post as well...does the text field keep "popping up" from the current line? I know that isn't a very good explanation, but hopefully someone knows exactly what I'm talking about...and how to fix it....because it's maddening. CD I have discovered the issue behind this. It's an IE8 bug. The current work around works like this: Look up just to the right of the address bar...there is an icon that looks like a torn piece of paper...click it and then that web site will be viewed in compatibility view and the weird jumping stops. Cheers!
March 18, 201016 yr create resierfs is the filesystem button OK, ran this; seemed to be taking a while in my browser...like it was just hung. So I refreshed; can't hit unMENU on 8080 anymore. I can get to http://unserver, but not 8080. Waiting it out. CD Let's see if I can figure out what you did, or did not do. What do you see when you type ls /boot/unmenu What do you see when you type ps -ef | grep awk | grep -v grep Joe L.
March 18, 201016 yr create resierfs is the filesystem button OK, ran this; seemed to be taking a while in my browser...like it was just hung. So I refreshed; can't hit unMENU on 8080 anymore. I can get to http://unserver, but not 8080. Waiting it out. CD Not sure how this is implemented in unMenu, but it could take a few minutes to format the disk and the web interface could be unavailable during that time. If you're having problems you should add the drive as a cache disk and let unRAID format it. If you also blank out the mover script you can just use the cache as the externally mounted disk. It is very easy to do. (You have to do this after each reboot). echo ; >/usr/local/sbin/mover
March 18, 201016 yr Author On an unrelated matter...why, if I'm trying to respond by typing under a quote...or sometimes it happens with images in the post as well...does the text field keep "popping up" from the current line? I know that isn't a very good explanation, but hopefully someone knows exactly what I'm talking about...and how to fix it....because it's maddening. CD I have discovered the issue behind this. It's an IE8 bug. The current work around works like this: Look up just to the right of the address bar...there is an icon that looks like a torn piece of paper...click it and then that web site will be viewed in compatibility view and the weird jumping stops. Cheers! GOD BLESS!! uMP
March 18, 201016 yr Author Well, with the "create file system" taking a while, I went to bed and let it do it's thing. This morning, still no unMENU. I'm not sure what happened, but I stopped the array and rebooted and everything is "fine" now. And the drive that I created the file system on, now has the button for mount drive. Next, I mount the drive right? And then...what's the best, or maybe I should say easiest way to copy from the "bad" drives to this new, mounted drive? uMP
March 18, 201016 yr Well, with the "create file system" taking a while, I went to bed and let it do it's thing. This morning, still no unMENU. I'm not sure what happened, but I stopped the array and rebooted and everything is "fine" now. And the drive that I created the file system on, now has the button for mount drive. Next, I mount the drive right? And then...what's the best, or maybe I should say easiest way to copy from the "bad" drives to this new, mounted drive? uMP unmenu can only handle one web-page request at a time. As described, the creation of a file-system on a 1.5TB disk will probably take 30 seconds to a minute, or more. The browser will apprear to be hung, just be patient next time. It will re-appear when it is done. Yes, you should mount the drive, and then, if you like, you can "share" it on the LAN too. (Just so it is easy to browse with window's file-explorer, not to copy files, since that would copy from the server, to the PC, and then back to the newly mounted drive. You really don't want to do it over the LAN since it is much slower than doing it directly on the server. The newly mounted drive will be mounted as /mnt/disk/sdX1 (if I remember correctly) where sdX = the drive device assigned, ans sdX1 is the partition. I think from your screen shot it will be sdg1. The commands to copy from your failing disks to the new is: cp -r -v /mnt/disk5 /mnt/disk/sdg1 and then cp -r -v /mnt/disk2 /mnt/disk/sdg1 They will run for hours..., the -v option will have them print the files as they are copied. Do not log off or terminate the connection from your PC or the copy will stop.
March 18, 201016 yr Joe L. - Does you format command run "in process" or "out of process" with the unmenu awk program. If it is "in process" - and he tried to refresh the browser, it would kill the format command aslso. Is it possible that the formatting was interrupted and the drive in a partially formatted state?
March 18, 201016 yr Joe L. - Does you format command run "in process" or "out of process" with the unmenu awk program. If it is "in process" - and he tried to refresh the browser, it would kill the format command aslso. Is it possible that the formatting was interrupted and the drive in a partially formatted state? Him killing the browser could not interrupt the awk script running on the server. It is going about the task of running mkreiserfs on the disk and will not write the results to port 8080, or read from it, until the mkreiserfs is done. The browser just sits there waiting.
March 18, 201016 yr Author Well, with the "create file system" taking a while, I went to bed and let it do it's thing. This morning, still no unMENU. I'm not sure what happened, but I stopped the array and rebooted and everything is "fine" now. And the drive that I created the file system on, now has the button for mount drive. Next, I mount the drive right? And then...what's the best, or maybe I should say easiest way to copy from the "bad" drives to this new, mounted drive? uMP unmenu can only handle one web-page request at a time. As described, the creation of a file-system on a 1.5TB disk will probably take 30 seconds to a minute, or more. The browser will apprear to be hung, just be patient next time. It will re-appear when it is done. Yes, you should mount the drive, and then, if you like, you can "share" it on the LAN too. (Just so it is easy to browse with window's file-explorer, not to copy files, since that would copy from the server, to the PC, and then back to the newly mounted drive. You really don't want to do it over the LAN since it is much slower than doing it directly on the server. The newly mounted drive will be mounted as /mnt/disk/sdX1 (if I remember correctly) where sdX = the drive device assigned, ans sdX1 is the partition. I think from your screen shot it will be sdg1. The commands to copy from your failing disks to the new is: cp -r -v /mnt/disk5 /mnt/disk/sdg1 and then cp -r -v /mnt/disk2 /mnt/disk/sdg1 They will run for hours..., the -v option will have them print the files as they are copied. Do not log off or terminate the connection from your PC or the copy will stop. I'll follow this later Joe, but I was patient with the "create file system"; I tried refreshing like every 5 minutes until I decided to go to bed. Even this morning, I still could not hit 8080 until I stopped the array and rebooted. FWIW, I was able to get to the stock WEB UI with no problem. OK, I mounted and shared with no problem; I see the drive in my network now (sdg1). I am not very comfortable with Linux yet, so I'm going to see just how much data we're talking about; actually, now that I think about it, it is a 1T drive and it is Drive 1, so it's probably full. OK, I'll just try the commands you have above JL. uMP
March 18, 201016 yr Don't forget the step in the original instructions to change the disk from being mounted as read-only to being writable. I'm pretty sure the disk will be mounted as read-only. (by design) so you'll need to issue a command to make it writable mount -orw,remount /dev/sdg1 After that command you can copy files to the new disk. Until then, the disk is readable, but not writable.
March 19, 201016 yr Author OK... mount -orw,remount /dev/sdg1 to make the new drive writeable cp -r -v /mnt/disk2 /mnt/disk/sdg1 to copy files working like a charm! Post when it's done. CD
March 19, 201016 yr Author Big drive finished last night. Started the copy of the 500G Disk 5 this morning cp -r -v /mnt/disk5 /mnt/disk/sdg1 Then I plan to pull the old disks, and rebuild the array. And then...test those drives out of the box; I still can't believe they both worked just fine in my WHS array, and went bad at the same time here. uMP
March 20, 201016 yr Author OK...I've copied everything from the 2 "bad" disks to the new 1.5. The new 1.5 has dirs disk 2 and disk 5, and all the info from them. So...you guys say, stop array, power down...physically remove 2 "bad" disks. Power back up, go into unRAID and "officially" assign the 2 new drives, including the 1.5 with the copied information. And then restore the array, and everything will be built correctly again? uMP
March 20, 201016 yr This is the one time when pressing the button labeled "restore" is correct. It will Set a new disk configuration based on the currently assigned disks and immediately invalidate parity. When you then press "Start" parity will be calculated based on the currently assigned disks. Once the initial parity calc is performed you should normally perform a parity check, just to make sure it was written properly and can be read back. Joe L
March 21, 201016 yr Author Ugh...I removed the 2 "bad" drives and now I can't boot-up. Oh crap, I probably needed to remove them from unRAID before physically removing them from the case? uMP
March 21, 201016 yr Author Ugh...I removed the 2 "bad" drives and now I can't boot-up. Oh crap, I probably needed to remove them from unRAID before physically removing them from the case? uMP OMG...just put the drives back in and still can't get to the array! This might be a dumb question, but do they have to go back to the exact same sata positions?? EDIT- Oops...too impatient; got the array back. So...remove the "bad" drives from unRAID and then physically remove from case? EDIT2- OK...so maybe I do need to get the drives back on the same sata cables...because now the array is back up, but while I guess I got lucky with disk 2, it is now showing one of the "new" drives in the disk 5 position...and it shows the "bad" disk 5 as unassigned. What do I need to do; get the "bad" disk 5 back on the right sata cable, unassign both "bad" drives and remove them? Or can I do something easier than that? uMP
March 21, 201016 yr Ugh...I removed the 2 "bad" drives and now I can't boot-up. Oh crap, I probably needed to remove them from unRAID before physically removing them from the case? uMP OMG...just put the drives back in and still can't get to the array! This might be a dumb question, but do they have to go back to the exact same sata positions?? EDIT- Oops...too impatient; got the array back. So...remove the "bad" drives from unRAID and then physically remove from case? EDIT2- OK...so maybe I do need to get the drives back on the same sata cables...because now the array is back up, but while I guess I got lucky with disk 2, it is now showing one of the "new" drives in the disk 5 position...and it shows the "bad" disk 5 as unassigned. What do I need to do; get the "bad" disk 5 back on the right sata cable, unassign both "bad" drives and remove them? Or can I do something easier than that? uMP If you took a screen shot from before you started of the devices page you can just go to the devices page and assign the correct drives to their respective slots.
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