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See my last post in this thread on page 5 for why I consider this issue solved.
I have a 4-port x4 PCIe SATA card inserted in the PCIe x16 slot of my mini-ITX MB. Preclears on any drive attached to this controller are reading at about 2.6 MB/s.
The MB is a Biostar TH61-ITX
On the MB SATA ports, the pre-read runs at over 100 MB/s
The PCIe SATA controller is based on the Marvel 88SX7042 chipset. I have tried both the SYBA SY-PEX40048 card and the Rosewill RC-218. They are absolutely identical in every detail and both yield the same results. Both are reported by numerous people as working with unRAID through the sata_mv driver in Linux kernel 2.6 and above.
As it is now, I am limited to a 4-drive array as the MB has only 4 SATA ports. I need the 4 more the controller card offers, but, not at this performance level.
All drives Including those attached to the MB ports are showing up as UDMA/133. I thought that was an IDE standard. All drives are SATA and the MB BIOS is set to AHCI.
In the syslog, the drive ST2000DL003-9VT166_6YD1Q84W (sda) is the one attached to the PCIe controller. The other three are attached to MB SATA ports.
I note in the syslog (near the end) that IRQ #16 is being disabled and it appears to have something to do with the SATA drives.
Running unRAID v5b14
Syslog attached. Any idea? Is my MB PCIe slot at fault.
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while right-angle cables might hit the molex connectors, left-angle (yes, they make them) should be ok no?
Yes, there is plenty of room on the other side of the SATA connector for an angle connector in that direction. The standard right-angle connector would not fit because the SATA port is right next to the Molex power connector.
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You also have to be careful in selecting a mini-ITX MB as some only support video cards in the x16 PCIe slot. There is no mention of this restriction in the Biostar TH61-ITX manual, product page or support forums, so, I hope that is not the problem I am having right now.
Yeah that's the problem i'm finding with mini-ITX boards and this thread brought the board to my attention, hence my post.
I really hope the x16 PCIe slot is not the problem.
Although I have not yet determined that the PCIe slot on the Biostar board is a problem, I have been looking at alternatives just in case. I contacted Intel regarding the DH67CF mini-ITX board
According to Intel, although the x16 PCIe slot is designed primarily for graphics cards, it will support any industry-standard PCIe card and not just graphics cards. It also (obviously) has an Intel NIC controller (82579V) and not the Realtek 8111E.
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4-port PCIe SATA controller: $63 from eBay
Hi,
I am planning a build using the same case & motherboard.
If you don't mind, could you please post the make & model of the controller card you are using?
Thanks in advance,
Andi
I used the SYBA SY-PEX40048 controller which is an x4 PCIe controller and has 4 SATA II ports. It's based on the Marvell 88SX7042 chipset. Other PCIe x4 controllers using this same chipset are the Rosewill RC-218 and the Adaptec 1430SA (you can find both at Newegg).
I have a bit of a problem right now with drives attached to this controller in that write speed to these drives is significantly lower than to drives attached to the MB SATA ports. This is not a general problem with all Marvell 88SX7042-based controllers as all three of the above mentioned cards have been used successfully by unRAID users with no issues. I am trying to find a way to check the BIOS configuration/update the BIOS etc. You also have to be careful in selecting a mini-ITX MB as some only support video cards in the x16 PCIe slot. There is no mention of this restriction in the Biostar TH61-ITX manual, product page or support forums, so, I hope that is not the problem I am having right now.
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Yes sorry, that's what I mean. I'm dysgraphic so I have trouble conveying things in the written word. Thank you for your patience, I actually already have an i3 processor, and know my memory requirements. Just need a board with a NIC that's unRAID friendly because I'd rather not user beta versions.
I am using a MB with the Realtek 8111E NIC and I am running a beta version of unRAID both of which made me nervous at first as well; however, the current v5 beta (14) seems to have no issues with the 8111E NIC and both have been very stable. As Tom recently posted, version 5 is close to becoming a "stable" official release and he will be adding the 3.2 Linux core to the next beta which has several networking improvements.
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I recently purchased the SYBA SY-PEX40048 x4 PCIe 4-port SATA II controller. It is based on the Marvell 88SX7042 chipset. This is basically the same card as the Rosewill RC-218 from a chipset and layout standpoint. Both have been reported as working with unRAID via the SATA_MV Linux driver.
I am running unRAID v5 beta 14. My MB is the Biostar TH61-ITX which has one x16 PCIe slot in which the controller is installed. This is the only expansion slot on this mini-ITX MB.
The problem is that I get write speeds of 60 MB/s through the MB SATA ports and 6-8 MB/s to drives connected to this PCIe controller.
As far as I can tell, there is no way to enter a BIOS configuration for this card on boot up. I have no idea if it running a RAID BIOS or non-RAID bios. There is no BIOS available for download on the SYBA or Marvell web sites. The driver CD contains only windows drivers for this card. The "manual" that came with the card is somewhat less than useless. Biostar has not responded at all to multiple inquires regarding whether or not this card is supported in the PCIe slot (some mini-ITX boards only support a video card in their one expansion slot). In the SYBA forums they suggested I download a Silicon Image SiI3124 non-RAID BIOS. I had to point out to them that this card uses a Marvell chipset.
Any ideas?
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Since the forum upgrade, I am not able to access any of the wiki pages (FAQ, Config Guide, etc.) I get the following error:
Unable to view external table.
mySQL error number: 1054
mySQL error message: Unknown column 'memberName' in 'field list'
Fixed.
Yes, it is fixed!. Thank you. Nice new look BTW.
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Since the forum upgrade, I am not able to access any of the wiki pages (FAQ, Config Guide, etc.) I get the following error:
Unable to view external table.
mySQL error number: 1054
mySQL error message: Unknown column 'memberName' in 'field list'
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In your case, the Seek_Error_Rate has dropped too low. The line could be interpreted to read as: Seek_Error_Rate has dropped to the 28 percentile (from VALUE column), and previously had even dropped to the 26 percentile (from WORST column), which is lower than the 30 percentile rating (from THRESHold column) that the engineers at the drive manufacturer have deemed the minimum reliability percentile, below which this drive should be considered FAILED.
Just to add a clarification, because it may be confusing to some that a drive seems to be working fine, yet the SMART report says it has FAILED. Part of the idea behind the development of the SMART system is to try to alert users to imminent failure BEFORE it is too late to save data. When a drive indicates a SMART failure, it is trying to warn you that there is a very high probability of complete drive failure in the very near future. The drive may or may not be fully operational at this moment, but even more catastrophic failure is very possible very soon. If there is any important data on the drive, you should attempt to relocate it as soon as possible.
OK, thanks for the detailed response, I really appreciate it. Since this is a brand new drive and is already in pre-fail, I will return it for a new one.
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I used the Biostar TH61-ITX MB in my Lian Li PC-Q25 case.
It is an Intel socket 1155 MB on which I installed a Core i3 2100 CPU. It has the Realtek 8111E NIC, but, I have not seen any problems yet running the v5b14 version of unRAID.
Here is a thread with pics of my unRAID build:
http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=17345.msg157856#msg157856
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I just received two Seagate ST2000DL003 2TB drives from Amazon. I have run two preclear cycles. One has passed both preclear cycles with no SMART failures; One has failed on both preclear cycles with a SMART seek_error_rate failure. Raw_Read_Error_Rate looks very high as well. The drive that "passed" also had high values for these parameters although not nearly as high as these.
Of five drives I have precleared, this is the only one to show a failure and I have never seen a failure in any desktop drive so I am not sure how reliable the SMART reports are. What say ye; should I return this to Amazon? I assume this is a legitimate indication of a bad drive as the seek_error_rate values seems incredibly high.
Here is the SMART report generated at the end of the preclear with some information redacted:
SMART status Info for /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright © 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: ST2000DL003-9VT166
Serial Number: 5YD6HZP5
Firmware Version: CC3C
User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is: Sun Jan 1 11:39:35 2012 MST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.
See vendor-specific Attribute list for failed Attributes.
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 623) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x30b7) SCT Status supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 116 100 006 Pre-fail Always - 105386328
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 092 092 000 Pre-fail Always - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 028 026 030 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 13464724458629
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 38
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9
183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Always - 0
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 068 065 045 Old_age Always - 32 (Min/Max 28/35)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 7
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 032 040 000 Old_age Always - 32 (0 22 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 037 024 000 Old_age Always - 105386328
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 1
240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 66468913872934
241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 2469991065
242 Total_LBAs_Read 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 4264727547
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Not bad, I have 3 externals with data on them. I didn't know I could just rip them out of the case and use them.
2TB external, 2(1TBx2) external.
Now, are you using any of those 5x3 cages?
I am not using any 5x3 cages and you really can't in the Lian Li PC-Q25 case. There are no external 5.25" drive bays on this case which is what the 5x3s use (Five 3.5" drives in three 5.25" bays).
This case is limited to 8 drives (Five 3.5" in the hot swap bay; two 3.5" on the bottom tray and one 2.5" on the bottom tray). With the MB I used, that is really the limit anyway as it has 4 SATA ports plus one PCIe slot in which I added a SATA controller with 4 more SATA ports. Even if you used one of the Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers for up to 8 SATA drives, you can't get 12 drives in this case.
I intentionally went with the smallest case I could for my planned use which will not be more than 8 drives. If my storage needs expand beyond the 12 -18 TB I can cram in this case (assuming six 2 or 3 TB data drives, one parity and one cache drive), I'll have to move to a larger case and beefier PSU.
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Case: $130 ($120 + $10 shipping)
MB: $65 ($75 - $10 rebate)
4 GB RAM: $25
PSU: $18 ($45 - $20 rebate - $7 with Newegg promo code)
CPU: $125
4-port PCIe SATA controller: $63 from eBay
2 2TB Seagate Green hard drives: $270 ($135 each from Amazon); you could probably get cheaper drives by buying a 2TB external drive and removing it from the case as all the HDD deals these days seem to be on the external drives.
(Other HDD I already had - 1 Seagate 750GB, 1 WD 1TB, 1 WD 2TB)
Total so far: $696
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Here are some pictures of my unRAID server build using the Lian-Li PC-Q25 case which can hold up to seven 3.5" hard drives and one 2.5" hard drive (Two 3.5" drives and the 2.5" drive mount on the tray in the bottom of the case):
Lian-Li case with BIOSTAR TH61-ITX MB, Intel i3 2100 CPU and 4GB RAM installed
Corsair CX430 PSU and two hard drives installed (I have two 2 TB hard drives on order and will be using a third - total of 5 drives to start - after I get the data migrated off it to the unRAID disks)
Note: This short PSU provides plenty of room to tuck in the unused cables without impeding airflow through the drive cage and out the back over the MB as the they fit right behind the PSU. I'll be using another PSU cable for the SATA power once I fill the case with hard drives on the bottom tray. One SATA power cable and the PCie power cable will remain unused. Also, this PSU has some very thick branding stickers on each side that I had to peel off in order to get the PSU in the case.
Back side of hot swap bays with drives installed.
Note: Power to the hot swap drives is 4-pin Molex. On two of the three molex I have an adapter that splits off a 3-pin connector to power the two case fans.
Angle view showing the Molex power connectors and SATA cables connected to hot swap bay. I labelled the SATA cables with a Sharpie with S1-S4 so I would know which SATA port they are connected to. You can't use right-angle SATA cables as they are too close to the Molex connectors.
It's been a fun build so far and after pre-clearing the disks (a 1TB and 750 GB I had laying around unused), I am now moving on to creating shares and transferring files. This is where I will see the Realtek 8111E NIC choke if it's going to have a problem. So far, so good!
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Actually, in the case he is using (I have the same case) the 5 hard drives in the hot swap bay don't use SATA power connectors, they use three 4-pin Molex. The 2 or 3 hard drives mounted on the bottom tray will need SATA power connectors.Yes, you need SATA power ports from the PSU to power the hard drives. The Cooler Master PSU that prostuff recommended (which I also recommend) has 6 SATA ports.
You also need one SATA data port per hard drive. The motherboard you chose only has 4, but you can cheaply and easily add two more to the PCIe x16 slot with one of these SIL3132 2 port PCIe cards. These cards are plug-n-play with unRAID, and very reliable despite the low price. Monoprice.com is also a great source of SATA cables, as you may need a few extras (typically only 2 come with the motherboard).
I used the non-modular Corsair CX430 PSU in that case because it is shorter. The only cables I did/will not use are the PCIe and one of the SATA power cables. They tuck in nicely between the back of the PSU and the drive cage because the PSU is only 140mm (5.5") long.
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The components for my build arrived yesterday. Confirmed that the LAN chip on the BIOSTAR MB is the 8111E (Since its printed on the LAN chip, that's a fairly safe bet
). Newegg product description is incorrect, it is not the 8111DL. Hopefully I won't have too many issues since I will be running v5 beta 14.Can't wait to see pictures.
Actually, I did take some pictures. Will post them soon.
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I sent them an email about the mistake, but, I also told them I had confirmed the NIC revision at the BIOSTAR product page and in the NIC documentation - both state this MB has the Realtek 8111E
Just be prepaired for canned response that they are just posting what the manufacturer gave them like I got. They went ahead and fixed the description anyway just covering there arse!Thanks for letting us know. You should send Newegg an email telling them that their product description is wrong.
I am just preclearing disks now, so, I won't know if I have one of the problem 8111E chips/drivers until I start moving my data to the disks. I read the entire "8111E is a problem" thread and it seems the problems appear most often when moving large files. I have lots of large video files to move, so, it will get stressed soon. I hope it's OK as I really don't want to swap the MB. Given that this is an ITX board, I cannot just buy a NIC and put it in a PCI/PCIe slot. The one PCIe x16 slot on this MB is reserved for the additional 4-port SATA II controller when I move beyond 4 drives.
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The components for my build arrived yesterday. Confirmed that the LAN chip on the BIOSTAR MB is the 8111E (Since its printed on the LAN chip, that's a fairly safe bet
). Newegg product description is incorrect, it is not the 8111DL. Hopefully I won't have too many issues since I will be running v5 beta 14. -
I was planning on running UnRAID 5 beta 14 anyway since I believe that is necessary for the Plex media server which I want to try. I will also be running unMenu and CrashPlan as well as, potentially, a few other plugins.
Since both the Biostar product page and the manual for the motherboard claim it is a Realtek 8111E NIC (which I only discovered after purchasing the board), I am assuming that is what it is. Actually, I bought this board because the Newegg product description claimed it was an 8111DL and I was hoping to avoid the 8111E problems; however, since I will be running the 5 beta, maybe it is not such a big deal.
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Could it be the NIC that is causing the probems? - although the Newegg product description says the NIC is a Realtek 8111DL, both the Biostar product page and the MB manual state it is the problematic 8111E.
The PCIe slot will obviously be occupied by a SATA controller, but, if there are NIC problems, a USB NIC could work nicely in one of USB 2.0/3.0 ports. You'd only get 60 MB/s out of USB 2.0 at the most (which never seems to be achieved) and it appears 3.0 USB NICs are not yet available, but, when they are the theoretical limit would be 600 MB/s.
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I ordered the same Lian Li PC-Q25 case and components from Newegg. Should be here Tue/Wed of next week. However, I went with the Corsair CX430 PSU which is shorter than the Cooler Masters at 140mm (5.5"). It is not modular, although at only $18 right now with $20 rebate and newegg promo 15% code, I thought it was a good gamble and I'll see if there is anywhere to put the extra cables.
I'll post pics of mine when done.
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Here's what I just ordered (Obviously, I abandoned the idea of using old hardware)
Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112339
MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138335
Newegg Desc. says it has a Realtek 8111DL NIC - Biostar site says 8111E :-(
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078
RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139659
PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
It's not modular, but, it is 140mm (5.5") in length and will fit the case; also has a single 28 amp 12v rail. Should handle 7 drives even if they are all 7200 RPM (not that they will be), right? With the rebate and promo code it's only $18 so its no big loss if I have to go with something bigger/modular.
I'll eventually need a PCIe 4-port SATA controller to get to 7 drives since the MB only has 4 SATA ports. Is this one still a good choice?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816103105
I'll probably not worry too much about remote management.
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OK thanks for the info. I assumed it was too old for the RealTek 8111E, but, I was unaware of the pcie x16 slot limitations. I was just trying to utilize some spare parts laying around unused. It sounds like I may be better served to get a more up-to-date board and CPU/RAM.
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I can't tell if this board has the dreaded Realtek 81111E NIC as it does not specify what NIC is used, but, do you have any feedback on this board for an unRAID server?
http://www.zotacusa.com/intel-lga-775-g43-mini-itx-g43itx-a-e.html.
I know it is overkill for unRAID alone, but, I have an Intel e8400 (Core 2 Duo at 3.06 GHz) CPU and two sticks of 2GB DDR2 RAM laying around that will fit this board. I will be media streaming and possibly encoding as well as running unMenu and a couple of other add-ons.
It has 5 SATA ports and I can add a couple more in the PCIe 16x slot for a nice unRAID Plus system with 7 total drives (5 data, 1 parity, 1 cache) in this small case:
). Newegg product description is incorrect, it is not the 8111DL. Hopefully I won't have too many issues since I will be running v5 beta 14.
[SOLVED] VERY slow preclear on disk(s) attached to PCIe SATA card
in General Support (V5 and Older)
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No joy!
I tried adding both irqpoll and irqfixup to the syslinux.cfg by modifying the line "append initrd=bzroot rootdelay=10 irqpoll" to try each option.
The only difference is abysmal boot times (dare I say, almost Windows like?) and a noticeable performance lag.
Right before the login prompt appears is says disabling IRQ #16 regardless of what I add to syslinux.cfg
Does my syslog indicate anything else I might try?