whipdancer Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 3 hours ago, gerard143 said: I also assume that for any situation that needed it, transcoding on the fly would be a breeze for a high end NVidia card? No. IMO, 4k transcodes look like crap when nvec gets involved. You are better off storing a lower bit rate copy, that you made using cpu transcoding. Everything else has looked quite good though. Quote Link to comment
gerard143 Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 I believe what I am looking to do is called direct play. My goal is to direct play the 1:1 rips to Apple TV. Quote Link to comment
opentoe Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Here is an MKV movie file from my archive that is around 89Mbps. Posted is the media file's specifications. I'd like to know if anyone plays content from their server can play this movie with no issues. Unfortunately would need some kind of proof that it has happened. I've tried just about everything ( for testing ) to see what is able to play this and what is not. Roku: Dismal fail Any version of Apple TV hardware: Fail Plex as a Docker: Fail ( using a capable computer ) Plex as it's own server: Fail ( using a very capable computer ) Dune- Model Real Vision 4K: Awesome- the highest profile, Dolby Vision. Nvidia Shield Newer Model: Using the Plex App- YES! ( very surprised, but it does have the onboard power to do so ) I wish a few people would try it out. Just to see all along if user's setups can play that high bitrate content. I suspect most media watchers are using some kind of media player like Plex, or using an app like HBOMAX, Disney+. Most of the time the Plex server is transcoding and cannot direct play and when viewing content via media app it's about only 12Mbps or less. Don't get me wrong, the picture still looks wonderful, but after I watched Dune 2021 as it was supposed to be seen it is hard to watch other great cinema graphically content knowing there always is that top tier of visual candy. I understand there are so many variables here and different systems out there, but that's what makes me so curious about the results. The file is large. 80GB. I'm linking it to share to user's can access the media for testing purposes only. I wanted to use real world content and not video test files. I used a fairly old movie so most wouldn't care. Lord Of War - 2005. Well, let me know if anyone tries this and what the results were. I've posted the media file's specs. Also, when I tried playing some content with that file browser you suggested it apparently does not recognize MKV format. Of course I tried using my Plex server with the Apple TV and the movie content wouldn't even start or the Apple TV iOS crashed. General Unique ID : 24483543475930949218102157689845433063 (0x126B5BE44FA13F391A746CE09A97C2E7) Complete name : N:\Lord of War (2005)\Lord of War (2005) 2160p TrueHD Atmos.mkv Format : Matroska Format version : Version 4 File size : 75.0 GiB Duration : 2 h 1 min Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 88.2 Mb/s Encoded date : UTC 2021-09-03 21:14:31 Writing application : mkvmerge v61.0.0 ('So') 64-bit Writing library : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4 Video ID : 1 ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011) Format : HEVC Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding Format profile : Main [email protected]@High HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC Duration : 2 h 1 min Bit rate : 75.8 Mb/s Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2) Bit depth : 10 bits Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.381 Stream size : 64.5 GiB (86%) Title : English Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Color range : Limited Color primaries : BT.2020 Transfer characteristics : PQ Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant Mastering display color primaries : Display P3 Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2 Maximum Content Light Level : 2508 cd/m2 Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 2394 cd/m2 Original source medium : Blu-ray Audio #1 ID : 2 ID in the original source medium : 4353 (0x1101) Format : MLP FBA 16-ch Format/Info : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation Commercial name : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos Codec ID : A_TRUEHD Duration : 2 h 1 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 4 751 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 8 028 kb/s Channel(s) : 8 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF) Compression mode : Lossless Stream size : 4.04 GiB (5%) Title : English Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Number of dynamic objects : 15 Bed channel count : 1 channel Bed channel configuration : LFE Audio #2 ID : 3 ID in the original source medium : 4353 (0x1101) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Commercial name : Dolby Digital Format settings : Dolby Surround EX Codec ID : A_AC3 Duration : 2 h 1 min Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 640 kb/s Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 557 MiB (1%) Title : English Language : English Service kind : Complete Main Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Audio #3 ID : 4 Format : DTS ES XLL Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems Commercial name : DTS-HD Master Audio Codec ID : A_DTS Duration : 2 h 1 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 4 244 kb/s Channel(s) : 8 channels Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE Lb Rb Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF) Bit depth : 24 bits Compression mode : Lossless Stream size : 3.61 GiB (5%) Title : English DTSHD MA 7.1 4 245 Kbps Language : English Default : No Forced : No Audio #4 ID : 5 ID in the original source medium : 4354 (0x1102) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Commercial name : Dolby Digital Codec ID : A_AC3 Duration : 2 h 1 min Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 224 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 195 MiB (0%) Title : English commentary Language : English Service kind : Complete Main Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Audio #5 ID : 6 ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100) Format : DTS XLL Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems Commercial name : DTS-HD Master Audio Codec ID : A_DTS Duration : 2 h 1 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 2 375 kb/s Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF) Bit depth : 24 bits Compression mode : Lossless Stream size : 2.02 GiB (3%) Title : German Language : German Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Text #1 ID : 7 ID in the original source medium : 4769 (0x12A1) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 54 min Bit rate : 38.5 kb/s Count of elements : 2858 Stream size : 31.5 MiB (0%) Title : English Language : English Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Text #2 ID : 8 ID in the original source medium : 4771 (0x12A3) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 48 min Bit rate : 1 088 b/s Count of elements : 108 Stream size : 864 KiB (0%) Title : English foreign parts Language : English Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Text #3 ID : 9 ID in the original source medium : 4773 (0x12A5) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 55 min Bit rate : 37.4 kb/s Count of elements : 2346 Stream size : 31.0 MiB (0%) Title : English commentary Language : English Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Text #4 ID : 10 ID in the original source medium : 4768 (0x12A0) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 54 min Bit rate : 42.5 kb/s Count of elements : 2894 Stream size : 34.9 MiB (0%) Title : German Language : German Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Menu 00:00:00.000 : Chapter 01 00:08:04.442 : Chapter 02 00:16:39.540 : Chapter 03 00:27:10.754 : Chapter 04 00:38:10.663 : Chapter 05 00:45:43.157 : Chapter 06 00:58:08.902 : Chapter 07 01:08:24.433 : Chapter 08 01:21:22.586 : Chapter 09 01:30:01.270 : Chapter 10 01:46:55.158 : Chapter 11 01:56:00.203 : Chapter 12 Media file: link to copyrighted material removed Edited April 9, 2022 by JonathanM link to copyrighted material removed Quote Link to comment
gerard143 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 downloading it now. I will try this later today. I have to run out for a bit. Quote Link to comment
AndrewZ Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 7 hours ago, opentoe said: Here is an MKV movie file from my archive that is around 89Mbps. Please do not directly post links to copyrighted material here in the forum. Your post has been edited to remove the link as this violates the terms and conditions of the forum Andrew Quote Link to comment
DarphBobo Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Could you have least posted a link to a media file which I don't already have??? 2 Quote Link to comment
gerard143 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) unfortunately I keep having failures during the download which is a serious bummer as I'd really like to test this. Around 15Gb mark or so, its network failure connection lost. And when you restart it does not resume. It restarts from the beginning. I will keep trying, on attempt 3 now. My connection is spectrum 400 Mbps down. Edited April 9, 2022 by gerard143 Quote Link to comment
gerard143 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 I got the download to work. currently unzipping it. Quote Link to comment
opentoe Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, AndrewZ said: Please do not directly post links to copyrighted material here in the forum. Your post has been edited to remove the link as this violates the terms and conditions of the forum Andrew Sure, no problem. Would anyone know of a way to create a video file that has a constant bitrate around 90-100? All that's really needed is 10 to 15 minutes. I should have thought of this earlier. Go to the Jellyfish site and grab at least the 100 rate files and try them out. I just tried to play them all and so happens the Dune was the only player to play from start to finish with no issues. Video test files! Edited April 9, 2022 by opentoe Quote Link to comment
gerard143 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Well, it’s playing thru infuse, Emby and plex. see attached screenshots. Infuse is direct play only. And that seems to play it the best. I am playing this over Wi-Fi too. 802.11ac not even Wi-Fi 6. I do get some network buffers here and there. first two photos are info from plex. Second is Emby. Third is showing audio options in infuse. Apple TV 4K, hdr turned on. 4:2:2 streaming it off my 2018 Mac mini. Core i7 3.2 6 core. 32 fb ddr4 ram. 1 tb SSD. Edited April 9, 2022 by gerard143 Quote Link to comment
opentoe Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, gerard143 said: Well, it’s playing thru infuse, Emby and plex. see attached screenshots. Infuse is direct play only. And that seems to play it the best. I am playing this over Wi-Fi too. 802.11ac not even Wi-Fi 6. I do get some network buffers here and there. first two photos are info from plex. Second is Emby. Third is showing audio options in infuse. Apple TV 4K, hdr turned on. 4:2:2 streaming it off my 2018 Mac mini. Core i7 3.2 6 core. 32 fb ddr4 ram. 1 tb SSD. I am not a MAC guy at all. I would be able to install these Apps on my Apple TV 4v as an app?? Try to force the audio through. I believe when I was testing my hardware I forced direct audio as well and then when transcoding it worked. I would suspect any 1Gb player would work fine, that's why I keep fooling around with my $200 Apple 4k TV device. I've been waiting for about 20 hours not touching my array since it is on the last leg of my parity build. I can't do much with the server until that's all done. This is a great site with many samples! I'll be testing out my hardware for sure after my parity build Edited April 9, 2022 by opentoe Quote Link to comment
gerard143 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 everyone one of those is available on the apple tv as an app. I have plex and emby set to use original for audio and video, but the audio is getting transcoded it looks like as the plex and emby players don't support trueHD I don't believe on the Apple TV. Only infuse will. I have no doubt this would play pretty well if I wasn't currently on WiFi on both the server side and the player side. I am swapping over all my rack network hardware to a different brand so all the hardwired stuff is currently offline, so I cannot test it over the wired network. Quote Link to comment
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