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Ultra low-power (<5W idle) minimalistic only-SSD Intel 13.gen i3 NAS (Asus Pro H610T D4-CSM)

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@bagican Are you able to advise of the BIOS changes you made to reach C10.  Only reaching C3 atm.

 

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    It's up to unraid. With TrueNAS SCALE I reach 3 watts.

  • Hey Bagician,   On your recommendation I've ordered the same motherboard, config will be: CPU: Intel Core i3-12100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor MB: ASUS Pro H610T D4-CSM Ram: C

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@kdm yeah, I will post my BIOS settings today evening or tomorrow 🙂 Basically, I only enabled C-states and ASPM on all places where I found it.

Edited by bagican

Asus Pro H610T D4-CSM support 13 and 14gen intel CPU or I need upgrade bios? If I buy i3-14100 or i3-13100  I will be able to run it with this motherboard without needing to get older cpu to upgrade bios? 

Edited by Grzegorz Derebecki

nice setup. but besides the idle results, what could be possible power usage scenarios when running some vm's or docker container or accessing data from unraid thru the network ?

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@Grzegorz Derebecki cześć

⚠️ My motherboard originally had BIOS Version 1402 (2022/04/02), which did not support the 13th gen Intel processors like my i3-13100. When I attempted to use the i3-13100, there was no response - no BIOS, beep codes, or any indication of functionality.

 

To address this, I acquired a 12th gen Intel processor, the i5-12500, flashed the latest BIOS version, and then promptly returned the i5-12500 the following day. With the updated BIOS, my i3-13100 successfully started working on the motherboard.

 

You can see factory BIOS version on the barcode - see "1402" as last number in barcode below:

 

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and here is my passive / fanless case with 2 DIY heatpipes:

 

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The case is from Exone. I bought it for 20 EUR with some older (10-12 years old) Intel.

There was initially another CPU copper block with only 3 heatpipes. I changed it to bigger one with 6 heatpipes. I used all 3 original heatpipes (with nickel-plated) and added custom Cu heatpipes.

Changing RAM modules is possible without problems. Manipulation is a bit limited due to heatpipes, but nothing terrible.

 

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@bagicanThanks for replay. Do you think this motherboard can be powered by normal ATX psu? 

 

I currently have one build with supermicro U1 case,  Asrock J4125-ITX, and second one (identical case) is waiting for another build. 

I was wondering if can I use build in power supply (ATX) for this motherboard. As you say it supports 12V then it is possible it will work with some converter (because motherboard don't have standard atx12v connector). 

 

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2 hours ago, Grzegorz Derebecki said:

Do you think this motherboard can be powered by normal ATX psu?

I don't think so. It cannot be powered by ATX PSU directly. To obtain a 12V power source, an adapter or a DIY solution is required.

 

My powering solution - details:

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My PSU is 12V brick (150W max) from AKASA (already mentioned here) and it's output 12V provides 4-pin DIN connector:

 

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I found adapter from 4-pin to 5.5x2.5mm connector (on Aliexpress) which I'm using it with standard male-male cable with 5.5x2.5 connectors to provide 12V to motherboard.

 

 

 

Here is my idle power consumption graph (measured with Shelly Plus 1PM every 1 second):

 

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- not Unraid, DietPi (Debian 12)

 

HW:

MB: Asus Pro H610T D4-CSM (latest BIOS, Version 3202, 2024/03/07)

CPU: Intel i3-13100 (TDP 60W)

RAM: 2x Crucial 32GB DDR4-3200 SODIMM (CT32G4SFD832A)

SSD: 1x m.2 Samsung 980 Pro 1TB with heatsink

PSU: 12V 150W from AKASA (AK-PD150-02KEU) https://www.akasa.com.tw/update.php?tpl=product/product.detail.tpl&model=AK-PD150-02K

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Grzegorz Derebecki said:

@bagicanThanks for replay. Do you think this motherboard can be powered by normal ATX psu? 

 

I currently have one build with supermicro U1 case,  Asrock J4125-ITX, and second one (identical case) is waiting for another build. 

I was wondering if can I use build in power supply (ATX) for this motherboard. As you say it supports 12V then it is possible it will work with some converter (because motherboard don't have standard atx12v connector). 

 

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I have this same motherboard and I tested it using the molex connector from a 500w ATX PSU.  The 4 pin one that would normally plug into a video card, two of the pins are the exact match for the ASUS pro board.  The 12v rail is rated at 200w so I figured I would test based on Bagican advising that it worked at 12v.  I can confirm that it posted so yes you should be able to use a standard ATX PSU.  Would just need to modify the connector to remove two of the pins as it overlaps with one of the fan connectors.
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more info and spelling

In addition to the post above. The atx power connector is right behind the DC power connector. See the manual on the Asus website for more info and the attached screenshot.

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Despite not being able to reach C10 in Powertop on Unraid, I'm idling at between 9w and 15w on the AC side with the HDD spun down.  Best I can get is C8.

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100 

MB: ASUS Pro H610T D4-CSM

Ram: Crucial 32GB DDR4-3200 SODIMM

NVMe: Lexar NM790 M.2 2280 PCIe Gen 4x4 NVMe SSD 2TB

HDD: WD Ultrastar HC550 16TB 3.5" Enterprise

PSU: Toshiba 19v 120w Laptop Brick

 

Tried running without any drives and no better, still only C8.

 

All components report being ASPM enabled when I run lspci -vv | awk '/ASPM/{print $0}' RS= | grep --color -P '(^[a-z0-9:.]+|ASPM )'

 

So I'm now stumped with how to get to C10

 

 

 

  • 2 weeks later...
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BTW, today was released new BIOS: 

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/csm/pro-h610t-d4-csm/helpdesk_bios?model2Name=Pro-H610T-D4-CSM

 

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Version 3206

8.97 MB

2024/04/02

"Further optimized CEP settings when disabled
Updating this BIOS will simultaneously update the corresponding Intel ME to version 16.1.30.2307v4. Please note after you update this BIOS, the ME version remains the updated one even if you roll back to an older BIOS later."

 

Did you have any luck getting the power down with the new bios.

I see that there are different 'updated' firmware versions, most have the intel 600 fix, but there seems to be a difference with hot swap compatibility. link

 

I have a asm1166 incoming from aliexpress. planning on using the Pro H610T D4-CSM with 2 X16 seagate HDD and ssd for starters.

I've seen you wanted to try the 92% efficient mean well, but i'm thinking more of a 15v 90W mean well GST90A. the 15v will be a bit more power hungry, but i'm hoping it will help with the initial power draw from the spinning hdd (might add more in the future) to not dip below 12V and brown out.

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On 4/9/2024 at 11:36 AM, Jetro007 said:

but i'm thinking more of a 15v 90W mean well GST90A. the 15v will be a bit more power hungry, but i'm hoping it will help with the initial power draw from the spinning hdd (might add more in the future) to not dip below 12V and brown out.

I think this is a very good idea! Agree.

 

I didn't upgrade bios yet.

  • 2 weeks later...

I bought Pro H610T CSM (DDR5 version). Still waiting for heatsink to my 1U chasse. 

I have one problem with NIC. When ASPM is enabled it working slow. When I disable ASMP it adds +5W to power consumption. 

 

when /sys/bus/pci/drivers/r8169/0000:03:00.0/link/l1_aspm is 0 network work correctly but with 1 some hosts slows down (not all). 

 

Wondering to buy m2 a+k card.

 

Update: 

r8169 ASPM issue is described https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/issues/13248, I enabled control flow on my network and it works better. 

 

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  • 3 weeks later...
On 3/14/2024 at 5:32 AM, bagican said:

idle: 14.1 - 14.5W

- with ASPM L1 on all devices

- no errors in dmesg

- C2 max (~98%)

You should mod the bios on your motherboard to disable Multi-VC.

"In your BIOS:

Advanced -> Admin -> Chipset->System Agent(SA) configuration->PCI Express Configuration

Set Multi-VC to Disabled on both of PCIE Root Port 1 & PCIE Root Port 2."

https://community.intel.com/t5/Embedded-Connectivity/Using-x16-pcie-slot-disables-low-package-c-states-ASPM-Alderlake/td-p/1555031

Setting Multi-VC to Disabled could help reaching C10, meanwhile, by being enabled, the system can only reach C3.

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New BIOS:

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/csm/pro-h610t-d4-csm/helpdesk_bios?model2Name=Pro-H610T-D4-CSM

 

- BIOS 3212:

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Version 3212

8.97 MB

2024/05/31

"1. Introduce the ""Performance Preferences"" with options for Intel Default Settings (Performance) and ASUS Advanced OC Profile.
2. Redefine the factory defaults based on Intel’s new ""Intel Default Settings"" for various CPU SKUs.
3. Change F5 from ""Load Optimized Defaults"" to ""Reset to Defaults"".
4. Add warnings when users switch from the defaults to other settings.
Updating this BIOS will simultaneously update the corresponding Intel ME to version 16.1.30.2307v4. Please note after you update this BIOS, the ME version remains the updated one even if you roll back to an older BIOS later."

 

- BIOS 3401:

Quote

Version 3401

8.97 MB

2024/07/16

"1. Updated with microcode 0x125 to ensure eTVB operates within Intel specifications.
Updating this BIOS will simultaneously update the corresponding Intel ME to version 16.1.30.2307v4. Please note after you update this BIOS, the ME version remains the updated one even if you roll back to an older BIOS later."

 

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yes, It's stable on 12V. I have no problems :) I have the same experience also with miniPC Gigabyte BRIX (with Intel N6005) where it has 19V DC adapter included, but I have tried 12V and it works (with SSD, no HDD).

 

For example, other miniPC - Asus NUC:

 - https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/NUC/TPS/NUC14_Pro_ProPlus_TPS_1.2_20240603.pdf?model=NUC14RVSU5

 - https://www.asus.com/displays-desktops/nucs/nuc-mini-pcs/asus-nuc-14-pro-plus/helpdesk_manual?model2Name=ASUS-NUC-14-Pro-Plus-Mini-PC

 

 - has in their manual: 12—20V DC

 

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It's common that such devices / miniPCs / some mainboards has wide range input voltage.

 

Also another example is Odroid H4 / H4+ / H4 Ultra with recommended input voltage: DC 14V ~ 20V (https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h4/hardware)

 - but it works also from 10V

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8 hours ago, bagican said:

yes, It's stable on 12V. I have no problems :) I have the same experience also with miniPC Gigabyte BRIX (with Intel N6005) where it has 19V DC adapter included, but I have tried 12V and it works (with SSD, no HDD).

 

For example, other miniPC - Asus NUC:

 - https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/NUC/TPS/NUC14_Pro_ProPlus_TPS_1.2_20240603.pdf?model=NUC14RVSU5

 - https://www.asus.com/displays-desktops/nucs/nuc-mini-pcs/asus-nuc-14-pro-plus/helpdesk_manual?model2Name=ASUS-NUC-14-Pro-Plus-Mini-PC

 

 - has in their manual: 12—20V DC

 

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It's common that such devices / miniPCs / some mainboards has wide range input voltage.

 

Also another example is Odroid H4 / H4+ / H4 Ultra with recommended input voltage: DC 14V ~ 20V (https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h4/hardware)

 - but it works also from 10V

I didn't know, thanks for the answer 😊

@Malbjerg. I am running stable with 2 ssd's and three normal hard drives powered by a 150w 12v power supply without any problems since February this year.

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@Vircos How did you power your disks? Everything via the onboard SATA-Power Adapter?

 

  • 2 weeks later...

Evening!

 

I found your positive experience, and bought that board+CPU for my motorhome smart home prototype. I looked for x86_64 system with lowest energy consumption.

  • Motherboard: ASUS H610T-D4 CSM
    • BIOS updated to 3404
  • CPU: Intel I3-12100
  • RAM: single Crucial DDR4 SODIMM 16GB CT16G4SFRA32A PC4-25600, 3200MHz
  • Wifi: M.2 Intel WiFi 6 AX200 (from compatibility list on Asus website)
  • SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1Tb

Use case: home server in motorhome.

 

The problem is -- I cannot achieve that power efficiency.

 

My best result was 15% in C2, and 80% in C10 without M2.WiFi and M2.SSD, ran from Ubuntu Live Usb. When DP->VGA display is ON -- cannot get more than C8 in any setup. And even that result was unstable -- contantly "winding up" for no reason. System is powered with 18V (cannot launch with 12V).

Lowest wattage ever: 6W.

 

Below I describe my many attempts, if you are curious. In short, I want your history of success -- how could you achieve this lowest consumption?

What am I missing?

What is your 2watt-setup -- distro/kernel/settings?

 

What I tried

BIOS settings. Started with default, and ASPM settings to "Enabled/L*". Then tried many other settings. Reset to default, and back.

 

Distros:

  • Ubuntu Server LTS 22.04
  • Ubuntu Server 22.10
  • Debian 13
  • Diet Pi R13
    • Tried kernel 6.1.0 (default)
    • Tried kernel 6.4.3. Made thing worse -- 100%C2.

powertop

It's the only thing that could lower wattage with "# powertop --auto-tune". At the expence of USB responsivness -- USB keyboard/mouse hangs for couple seconds all the time.

 

r8169 -> r8168-dkms

Downgraded Realtek driver for LAN. Couldn't see the great difference.

 

tlp

Makes things worse.

Before: 20%C2 and 80%C8, wattage ~6W.

After tlp: 100%C2, wattage 12W.

 

cpufrequtils

Useless.

 

tackling with /sys/* manually

To no avail. It is enough to force ASPM in BIOS and in /etc/default/grub.

 

GRUB options

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="modprobe.blacklist=r8169 pcie_aspm=force cpufreq.default_governor=powersave iwlwifi.power_save=true i915.enable_rc6=7 i915.enable_dc=4 i915.enable_fbc=1 i915.lvds_downclock=-1 i915.enable_psr=1 i915.disable_power_well=1 i915.enable_guc=2 i915.semaphores=1 pcie_aspm.policy=powersupersave cpufreq.default_governor=powersave"

No that much of a difference.

 

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I am getting desperate, and want to smash all that with a brick out of frustration.

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On 8/10/2024 at 12:46 PM, Pattern said:

@Vircos How did you power your disks? Everything via the onboard SATA-Power Adapter?

 

Yes I actually did using a splitter. It is not optimal. But the server is still stable. 2 Ssd's are active and the 3 sata drives are most of the time spinned down. However I am planning to ditch the 2 ssd's for one nvme drive and one of the three sata drives. Hopefully it will then reach lower c-states.

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