Hi All - very new to crashplan as only just installed on my windows machine and did a backup to an alternative drive in the same machine - ok

 

My setup is i have 2 N40L HP servers, one is the main box for my music, films, photos and a copy of my backups from my PC, the second is a kind of test box so far which has couchpotato, soickbeard, headphones and sbanzbd running (but not heavily)

 

What i would like to be able to do is

 

> Backup all of my PC's at home to my main unraid box

> Back up my documents and pictures shares from the main box to the backup box and also to crashplan central

> backup my main PC folders to crashplan central

> A nice to have would be to allow my son who does not live at home to backup to my storage space in the backup box (might be the only way to get him to do backups !)

 

So i guess all of this is possible with crashplan right?

 

I have read lots of threads and info and the set up seems complex - is that just me reading too much into it?

 

There is discussion here about merging the crashplan plg and the gui all into one - has that been done or is it close as it just seems to have dropped from the thread?

 

Where is the latest and best to use plg for this - is it the crashplan plg and GUI plg in the wiki or somewhere else

 

Thanks in advance for any feedback

So i guess all of this is possible with crashplan right?

 

Yep!

 

I have read lots of threads and info and the set up seems complex - is that just me reading too much into it?

 

Somewhere in the middle

 

The actual install should be quite straightforward. But you do need to jump through hoops to do the initial configuration of your new unraid installation of crashplan.

 

And then you'll have to construct the workflow for all your machines you've listed above. It made my head hurt just reading it

 

But it can be done.

 

 

I've become an unRaid user in the last couple of days as I re-purposed my HP Microserver to act as a backup server for all my various media, document, pc's etc.  Part of that setup was essential to have it backing up off site so I've gone down the Crashplan route. 

 

I got it all up and running pretty easily and it's now backing up to Crashplans cloud at 3mb/sec (which is my max upload) and I'm very happy with that as I'm in the UK and I believe Crashplans servers are in the US

 

A couple of things I found

 

• The XML parse error mentioned by one or two others is caused by the wrong package name being given.  The command in the opening post says to use crashplan-0.1... but it's now on crashplan-0.2 etc so if you make sure the package name in the command matches what you downloaded then it installs fine
   
  
• I used overbyrn's SSH plugin (http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=20848.0) and the Crashplan Client on my PC wouldn't log into to the crashplan engine on my unRaid server until I enabled Gateway Ports from within the SSH settings in the management pages.
   
  

 

Other than that, it was very straightforward  and I'm very happy with it all. 

Azzuri - i have the same server and live in the UK also, and yes i want to back up similar stuff to you.

 

any chance of a more detailed walk through for someone who is not linux, code etc literate so i can also get this working. I take it i need to subscribe to crashplan+ in order to upload to crashplan central?

 

Any further help much appreciated as it currently sounds a bit complext to get all of this to function with windows machines backing up to the server (they cant see the server or shares currently) and then the server sending stuff off site

I could post what I've done but I'm not entirely sure I've done it correctly!

 

It's up and working in the sense that it's backing up but I just rebooted the server and the Crashplan client seemed to lose any knowledge of what I had done previously.  It asked me to log in again and then acted as though I had not backed anything up.  Fortunatley it asked if I wanted to adopt a backup so I just adopted the backup of the unraid server and carried on but I need to work out what I need to do to keep it persistent through reboots

OK, thanks - if you do manage to untagle everything to a point a simple walk through could be created then some more info woiuld be good. Its a great solution, just seems a shame it seems so buggie to try to get it to work and keep it working - not ideal for being confident in your backups !

I've got it working - it was just my error on where I installed Crashplan, give me a couple of days to write up what I did and I'll get back to you

Thanks very much, that would be much appreciated - i think a number of people would appreciate a step by step simple walk through as it seems to be a great tool but a pain to set up and the OP has not been updated since late 2011 so not sure the links etc are reliable - backups should be simple to set up and easy / reliable to recover

the download for this plugin is not working on the unraid plugin page also is there a good step by step for loading this for dummies

 

Same for me.  When I click on the plugin link, I just get a page of text.  No file is downloaded.

Same for me.  When I click on the plugin link, I just get a page of text.  No file is downloaded.

Right-click the link and choose Save Link As... [or whatever equivalent command for your browser]

I've got it working - it was just my error on where I installed Crashplan, give me a couple of days to write up what I did and I'll get back to you

 

I'll take a crack at explaining how I installed CrashPlan onto an HP Microserver Proliant N40L (8GB RAM) and unRAID Server Plus 5.0-rc5 with a cache drive.  As a warning, I am really new to unRAID so I barely know what I'm doing.  Many thanks go to the plugin authors and forum community.

 

Download these files:

• overbyrn's opensshd plugin
  http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=20848.0
  [For good measure, I also installed his denyhosts plugin]
   
  
• http://lime-technology.com/wiki/index.php?title=UnRAID_Plugins
  Right-click on Crash Plan plugin (v3.0.3 at time of this writing), choose "Save Link As..."
  I also installed the Crash Plan GUI plugin from this page (v1.0.9 1bw at time of this writing). In case you have trouble finding it like I did, look for it under the webGUI Utils tab.  Also, I wasn't able to get the GUI plugin to reload after a reboot so I had to modify it.  For updates, check out its thread at:
  http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=15518.0
  

 

To install the plugins, I connected to the unRAID flash drive from my Mac and just dragged the plugins into the flash drive's /config/plugins:

 

Connected to Tower via Mac Terminal and installed each of the plugins via command line:

installplg /boot/config/plugins/XXX [XXX is name of each plugin]

 

From unRAID webGUI, choose Settings, OpenSSH, chose a new username (from above thread, make a brand new one) and password.  Changed Gateway Ports to Yes and change Enable OpenSSH to Yes.  Click Apply.  Status should read "OpenSSH is Running".

 

From unRAID webGUI, chose Settings, DenyHosts.  Changed Enable Denyhosts to Yes, click Apply

 

From unRAID webGUI, chose Settings, CrashPlan.  Changed Enable CrashPlan to Yes, change Install Directory to /mnt/cache/.crashplan [or wherever you want], then click Apply

 

Stopped the array and rebooted (even though the webGUI status said Crashplan was running before the reboot, I was having issues).  After the reboot, Crashplan updated itself to 3.2.1 relatively quickly (one place to check version is webGUI > Utils > Crashplan)

 

Now use the instructions in the link below to use a Windows Crashplan client to set up your unRAID Crashplan settings (at first, I didn't understand the purpose of these steps b/c I'm a dummy.  We're just temporarily hijacking the Windows Crashplan GUI to set up CrashPlan on the unRAID box):

http://lime-technology.com/wiki/index.php?title=CrashPlan#Configuring_the_CrashPlan_engine_from_a_Windows_Machine

[Note: if using PuTTY, make sure you click Add after setting the SSH>Tunnels>Source Port as 4200 and Destination as localhost:4243.  I didn't do this the first time before opening the SSH connection]

 

Another good link for setting up a headless Crashplan box:

http://support.crashplan.com/doku.php/how_to/configure_a_headless_client

 

From the Windows Crashplan client (now connected to unRAID), you should be prompted to login with your Crashplan credentials.  Now you can go to Settings > General, then click Configure next to Inbound backup from other computers.  At the bottom of the dialog box, change your "Default backup archive location".  I have a user share called "Backup and clones" so I selected the path as "mnt/user/Backup and clones".  If you don't do this step, I think your backups will end up wherever your unRAID Crashplan installation files exist (i.e. your flash drive, RAM, or cache drive, in my case).

 

If you want to to backup that Windows machine using CrashPlan, then exit the client and comment out the servicePort=4200 line in the ui.properties file.  This will bring the Windows PC's Crashplan GUI "back to normal."

 

You can now stop OpenSSH unless you need it to change Crashplan settings on your unRAID box again (or if you use SSH for other purposes).

 

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Misc troubleshooting:

• If you want to see if the Crashplan service is actually running, don't rely on something like Top Processes (from unmenu, as example).  Instead, use this command:
  ps aux | grep java
   
  
• If telnetting in from a Mac to run the installplg commands, use "screen" since it will allow you to easily scroll up and review the logs.  After telnetting in, type these two commands:
  TERM=xterm
  screen
  

 

EDIT: I'm not sure if it's necessary to install overbyrn's opensshd.  It looks like the Crashplan-0.2-i468-1atv plugin is already installing some other openssh package.  But when I disable opensshd from webGUI Settings, I can't SSH into my unRAID box anymore (connection refused).  So I'll be happy with overbyrn's opensshd plugin (which I can disable via webGUI) and hope I'm not leaving myself exposed somehow.

 

I welcome any corrections or comments since I can barely get around a command line.

Can someone just confirm for me if the set up shown here will do what i want to do or if i need to modify / do additional set up - and if so what?.

 

Scenario: I have a windows PC and i have 2 unraid servers, one primary for all my main storage of photos, documents, films etc and one backup and for couch potato, sab etc. What i want to do is:

 

1. Backup my windows PC files to the second unraid server AND to crashplan central regularly (daily?)

2. Make an image of my PC and back that up in case i need to do a full recovery (monthly, maybe even less often as it does not change that much)

3. Backup specific folders on the main unraid server to the second server and only SOME of those shares to crashplan central (i.e. not bothered about the films as i can rip them again if needed and thats a shed load of data but would like to have another backup of photos) I would like the photos and doc changes on the main server to be backed up as and when they change

 

The setup described in the post above seems to cover setting up crashplan so it is a location that i can back up my windows PC to which i think covers the needs of 1. is that right?

 

I dont know if the above would also cover 2?

 

For 3. how would i set up a share to be backed up to a second server so that it would function if the PC is on or not, or is the PC being on a requirement?

 

I have read a lot and i think i have my head around what is going on here and how you use make use of the windows client to set up the crashplan engine on ONE unraid server. My PC can see the shares on both servers but the servers cannot see each other (maybe they can and i dont know it - they are both on the same LAN and all hard wired through the same switch)

 

Thanks for any help

You should be able to do all of those with CrashPlan.

 

You are going to have to set up the application on all of your computers to do what you want them to do.  The exact steps for that I am not sure of but i know you will have to:

 

1. set up laptop crashplan instance to backup to where you want to

2. create ssh tunnel to server1 and point the app on your laptop to server instance of crashplan on server1

3. set up that instance of crashplan to do what you want it to

4. close the app and the ssh tunnel

5. open a new ssh tunnel to server2 and point the app on your laptop to the server instance of crashplan on server2

6. set up that instance of crashplan to do what you want it to

7. close the app and the ssh tunnel

 

You are going to want to make sure that on the servers the instance of crashplan that is running is pointed to a save location that actually exists on a hard disk.  If you do not make sure of this and start a backup you will be backing up to RAM and the server will crash and most likely lock up.  A hard restart will then be needed most likely.

 

I have a very similar set up to what you are proposing so i think it should be possible.

Thanks for the quick reply.

 

So does crashplan backup a share or does it do it disk by disk. What i mean is do i need to do disk 1 to disk 1, or folder X on disk 1 to folder X on disk 1. Shareas are spread across multiple disks and i do not know if crashpaln can work with shares in the way unraid does. maybe that will be obvious when i connect to crashplan running on my server as i will either see shares or i will see disks i am guessing?

 

I will try this out and set things up without using crashplan central for now, just PC to main server and then make a backup of the required parts of the main server to the backup server and see how i go.

 

Thanks again

Thanks for the quick reply.

 

So does crashplan backup a share or does it do it disk by disk. What i mean is do i need to do disk 1 to disk 1, or folder X on disk 1 to folder X on disk 1. Shareas are spread across multiple disks and i do not know if crashpaln can work with shares in the way unraid does. maybe that will be obvious when i connect to crashplan running on my server as i will either see shares or i will see disks i am guessing?

 

I will try this out and set things up without using crashplan central for now, just PC to main server and then make a backup of the required parts of the main server to the backup server and see how i go.

 

Thanks again

I do UserShare on server1 to a disk on server2.  Crashplan encrypts everything it backs up so it is not a straight "copy".  If you want that you will need to look into something else like rsync.  and if you are using rsync then i would go disk to disk.

Thanks prostuff1 - now you have me thinking is it better to do disk to disk or to use crashplan? with crashplan its fully automated and i think rync could be but i dont know how to use it or cron etc so might be a big learning curve.

 

What happens in yor setup if a share is biggter than a disk - i have a share which is greater than will fit on a single disk in my backup server (i used some older and smaller drives in there to make my backup server with while using the larger ones for the main server.

 

What would be the situation if there was an issue with crashplan or i needed to get access to the data crashplan had encrypted? is it possible to move or copy the backup to another disk and then to access it or take it to another computer, set up my account there and get access? just trying to ensure i kno0w what i am letting myself in for - with a direct copy of the data it is accessable - is there a risk with crashplan it might not be?

 

At least for now going to try to set it up just to see if i can get it to work and understand the structure.

 

Do you do backups to crashplan central as well? is it worth having the + version with only the 10gig of data to make use of data sets?

OK, working my way though ..... first problem what do i make the install directory if i want crashplan to run in memory? i tried /usr/local/crashplan ans pressed enable but it just freezes the server and if i use MC to look at the install directory i get a file which has to many symbolic links or similar error. If i want to run in memory (as my main server does not have a cache drive) what should i make the install directory?

 

Second question before i move on - is SSH installed with the plugin or do i need to install and enable it seperatly (and how do i do the enable bit and make it so it auto enables so i dont need to do it each time?)

 

Thanks

 

EDIT - deleted the error file which was in red and !crashplan. When i went ot delete it the error in MC was to many symbolid links. I deleted the file and now i get crashplan is installed and running. I will try a reboot now but why would i get this error? should i make the install directory something different? I also did the ps aux | grep java and got a reasonable output - does that mean SSH is running and installed?

 

EDIT 2: So the server will reboot but the array wi8ll not start. I go into midnight commander to look in /usr/local/crashplan and there is a !crashplan folder - i try to look in this and this is where i get the cannot open, too many levels of symbolic links (40). Seems if i delete this it will start, the folder is created correctly with the relevant directory dtructures inside so i think i am close but no cigar !!

 

EDIT 3: OK, very close i think !

> Still have the error on boot with the folder i need to go and delete which has the symbolic link error if someone could give me a hint on that??

> Got SSH installed and working. Did a test by having 2 putty sessions open one connected as normal and one thoriugh SSH, when in the normal one i stop SSH the other is immediatly disconnected and i cannot get back in. I restart the SSH and then i can log in using the port forwarding, that tells me its ok i think.

> In crashplan i had to completly disable it and stop the service on my PC as it would always just strat normally. once i had done this and then tried to start crashplan it looks for a connection and which i think now is port 4200 as i added the serviceport=4200 into the ui.xxx and saved that, been back and checked this is saved.

 

So i seem to have a tunnet between local on 4200 and remote on 4243 i also have crashplan looking for 4200 on local PC, i have crashplan installed and running (tried stop and start just to be sure

So why will crashplan not connect to the server engine ??? when i try in the tunnel connected screen to do telnet localhost 4200 i get connect to 127.0.0.1 connection refused? does that tell anyone anything. Also when i first tried to connect there was something about saving a key in putty, i just said yes - as i dont have a problem making that connection i assume that was ok - but maybe its not?

 

I think there are only 2 problems 1. the folder creation topic at start up and 2. how to get crashplan to use the tunnel link that i think is in place but cannot be certain other than its dropped as soon as i stop ssh

 

Think i need to sleep as been at this for hours and think i am going in circles now as keep reading the same stuff. Will try again tomorrow with inpout from those in the know but would very much welcome ideas

 

OK, back at it !

 

Decided to put the install directory as /mnt/cache/.crashplan for now as i was having the issues i described in my last post doing it to memeory, rebooted and all works fine. Would appreciate some help with why i might have got that issue as my main server does not have a cache drive and i dont want to install to an array disk.

 

Had to restart sshd after reboot > how do i make it so i dont have to do this or is it best that i do have to do it to log in and make changes so its not running in the background all the time. As its needed only to make crashplan changes which should be rare i will just make myself notes that i need to do it. Also it seems to generate a new key which then has to be used or accepted by putty - is all this supposed to be the case? and what are the steps to do this as if i get this to work once i am not sure i will remember all of these steps each time in the future - it must be simpler than this ......

 

Crashplan will still not connect !! i am sure my tunnel is correct as if i stop sshd it drops it immediatly. I do netstat -na | grep LISTEN | grep 42 and i can see it is listening on127.0.0.1:4243 but when i do telnet localhost 4200 is get connect to address 127.0.0.1: connection refused - i am suire it is this last element that is stopping this from connection but i just dont know what i am missing.

 

Really appreciate some help with these questions please

 

EDIT: As an addition i just tried and alternative connection from a putty session as indicated on the crashplan how to work headless site. Below is what i got. I thought this would work as i got a connection on 127.0.0.1 but i did not ge tthe long string of stuff for the ssh key like was suggested. really running out of things to try now !

 

root@Backupsvr:~# ssh -L 4200:localhost:4243 root@backupsvr

The authenticity of host 'backupsvr (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.

ECDSA key fingerprint is ed:94:01:1e:96:95:98:a4:1c:49:31:df:15:95:49:f5.

Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y

Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes

Warning: Permanently added 'backupsvr' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.

root@backupsvr's password:

Linux 3.4.4-unRAID.

root@Backupsvr:~# telnet localhost 4200

Trying 127.0.0.1...

Connected to localhost.

Escape character is '^]'.

 

I then tried some other stuff and got thrown out and will not reconnect - see below of output directly following that above in the same session

 

netstat -na | grep LISTEN | grep 42

Connection closed by foreign host.

root@Backupsvr:~# ssh -L 4200:localhost:4243 root@backupsvr

root@backupsvr's password:

channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 4200

Could not request local forwarding.

Linux 3.4.4-unRAID.

root@Backupsvr:~#

 

EDIT: Need to clarify this point - I was adding a line at the bottom of the ui.proerties file for serviceport=4200 and nothing changed, it still connected to my desktop as notmal. I just changed the line close to the top of the ui.properties file and now when i change it it does not connect and when i rem it out it connects - adding it to the bottom of the file was not making any difference to the desktop app at all, it is only if you edit the line already there !!! oh but i still cannot get it to connect

 

 

do you have a password set for the root user?

 

If no, set one and try again

Hi Prostuff1 yes i have a passowrd for root - and i think i just cracked it !!

 

It would seem you must edit the existing line in the ui.properties file, additng an entry at the bottom of the file seems, at least in my case, to do nothing. so i have been chasing an issue that was not there. Also i would say a lot is my lack of knowlege - i was stopping the service in windows as it was always connecting the desktop to there fine, then of course it could not connect to the engine and i was thinking thats the connection issue - of course it was not, it was just there was no windows service running, kick that off and it would connect to the desktop fine again

 

i have now rebooted as i got the network connection issue someone else put a screen shot of but that is all fine, so seems to be working. some questions i still have if you could help with these specifics

 

1. When i reboot i have to restart ssh, and its best if this is left manual rather than it running each time

 

2. when i restart ssh it creates a new key and this is what putty is asking me to confirm is ok the first time i connect after a reboot

 

3. What should the install directory be if i want to run in ram and not use a disk? i used /usr/local/crashplan but there was a file created with to many symbolic links or something and the array would not start - should that install directory work or not, is there a better option to try?

 

4. Wheni want to backup mt desktop to my backup unraid server i only get the option to back up to that server and not to select where on the unraid server - is this set on the server as the incoming default location? i was hoping to set 1 folder on desktop to 1 disk on unraid and another folder to another disk - can i do this and if so how

 

This has been a struggle but a good learnin. The file change in crashplan really threw me a curve ball trying to fix issues that were never there !!

 

Thanks for the support, if i can clear up these last points i will then try it all out and make myself a "how to" for future reference

1. When i reboot i have to restart ssh, and its best if this is left manual rather than it running each time

I use the unmenu ssh package and it should generate some files and reinstall them on reboot.

 

2. when i restart ssh it creates a new key and this is what putty is asking me to confirm is ok the first time i connect after a reboot

with the unmenu package I only have to install ssh once and it is good after that.

 

3. What should the install directory be if i want to run in ram and not use a disk? i used /usr/local/crashplan but there was a file created with to many symbolic links or something and the array would not start - should that install directory work or not, is there a better option to try?

Honestly not sure, I installed CrashPlan the older way and it resides on my flash drive and is extracted on boot into ram.  It runs from there and the save location is on a disk

 

4. Wheni want to backup mt desktop to my backup unraid server i only get the option to back up to that server and not to select where on the unraid server - is this set on the server as the incoming default location? i was hoping to set 1 folder on desktop to 1 disk on unraid and another folder to another disk - can i do this and if so how

The backup location is whatever you set it to on the server instance of CrashPlan.  I have not dug into the settings enough to know if you can direct were a particular backup goes to. 

Thanks prostuff1

 

I will install the unmenu ssh package, i package manager it shows as installed but not downloaded, maybe if i do it in unmenu it will add a little magic so it starts itself, worth a try

 

I thought having anythign like this on the flash drive was not good? i have the plg on the flash drive and in the gui there is a page to set the intall directory - its where this should point. The walk through suggests the cache drive but what if you dont have one? Maybe now its working i will do the ssh thing and then retry the intall to ram to see if it can sort itself out, if not i can live with it

 

Seems the backup location if fixed to a specified folder - just dont know how to handle 3 TB of data from a share onto a disk that is only 2TB - if you dont use crashplan central does this mean the size of the backup is limited to the size of the disk holding the backup destination > i guess thats the key question. That would be clear then but not a great solution for servers with lots of data in shares, often running into multi TB's for movies etc.

 

If it is limited to the size of the destination disk then care would be needed in how this disk was used by unraid also as it could get used up as general storage and not leave room  for your assigned backups? maybe it needs a disk of its own that are set as not usable by any share - but still does not get over the disk size limitation. i have 2TB disks but 8TB of data, if i wanted to back that up i would be limited to 2TB max if i am understanding this right. also i can only set a disk as a backup location and not a share that would span disks, is that also right.

 

will try out these things, any more input would be great on these questions. i will now start to do myself a write up for when i need to reboot or reinstall as dont want to go through this again :-)

 

And has anyone else had the issue of adding Serviceport=4200 to the end on the ui.properties file making no difference and having to edit the existing line for it to work - that was a real curve ball !!!

I thought having anythign like this on the flash drive was not good? i have the plg on the flash drive and in the gui there is a page to set the intall directory - its where this should point. The walk through suggests the cache drive but what if you dont have one? Maybe now its working i will do the ssh thing and then retry the intall to ram to see if it can sort itself out, if not i can live with it

I should clarify a little; I have a tarball (.tar) file on the flash drive that contains all the files needed to run CrashPlan.  On boot that .tar file is extracted into RAM and the CrashPlan application runs from there.  CrashPlan never writes to the flash drive.  The only time I change stuff is when a new version of CrashPlan comes out or I make a change in the CrashPlan settings.  When either of those happens I create a new .tar file and replace the old one.

 

Seems the backup location if fixed to a specified folder - just dont know how to handle 3 TB of data from a share onto a disk that is only 2TB - if you dont use crashplan central does this mean the size of the backup is limited to the size of the disk holding the backup destination > i guess thats the key question. That would be clear then but not a great solution for servers with lots of data in shares, often running into multi TB's for movies etc.

The only thing I can offer is that you point the backup location to a UserShare and NOT a disk share.  So the backup location would be something like /mnt/user/backup instead of /mnt/disk1/backup.

 

If it is limited to the size of the destination disk then care would be needed in how this disk was used by unraid also as it could get used up as general storage and not leave room  for your assigned backups? maybe it needs a disk of its own that are set as not usable by any share - but still does not get over the disk size limitation. i have 2TB disks but 8TB of data, if i wanted to back that up i would be limited to 2TB max if i am understanding this right. also i can only set a disk as a backup location and not a share that would span disks, is that also right.

I don't let any other shares on my disk go to my backup drive.

 

And has anyone else had the issue of adding Serviceport=4200 to the end on the ui.properties file making no difference and having to edit the existing line for it to work - that was a real curve ball !!!

What app did you edit it with?  It might have screwed up the encoding on that file in the process of saving it.

Prostuff1 - the unmenu ssh is a previose version - something like 0.1 v 0.8 which is with crashplan - do you still think the unmenu route is the right way to go - i think i am ok with starting the ssh when i need to make changes.

 

So everything seemed to be going ok - i have had to fix a file system error on a disk which was giving me problems so i though this would be it - but no !!

 

I now cannot start the crashplan engine, i have reinstalled the .plg, i have done a cold reboot, i have tried to use crashplanengine start but i get permission denied, i thrioed to go into MC and located the file and tried to reset permissions there - permission denied !! Where an i going wrong??

 

On the settign tab i get crashplan is running but this does not change even if i disable it ! and in the utils tab the engine will not start by hitting the button and there it says not running !

 

And just to check in /usr/local/ i get crashplan with a ~crashplan - does that sound right?

 

OK, so looking for some more help, sorry to be a pain !! maybe i rip it all out, move some data around so its on the disk where i want it to free up a disk just for crashplan and start again from scratch with all i have learnt - opinions?

 

EDIT: OK so i canged the install location of crashplan on the server and it went through the process as if it was a new install with me having to log account details etc. the other install was still showing up as an unavailable destination - i have had to remove this and with it the backups, just glad i was only testing. Will see how things go and how the stability is. I also hope my permissions issues are all related to the file system problem i had on a disk. Think i need to do a lot of moving data around and testing before i feel confident with this as a usable tool long term

 

what would have been the further suggestions to try to get the other install running (it is still there under a different directory) just in case i run into ther problems and can use this as a source of reference.

 

Thanks for peoples input and help and sorry to be a pain but my frustrations do take over .....

OK, for completness i thought i would do a tidy up of what has gone on as it might help others

 

I edited the ui.properties file as described but i think the application i used added a carrage return and this meant it would not work with the line added at the bottom of the file, but only by editing the one there. This lead to all sorts of issues that were probebly not there - just be aware

 

Once i got my head around the fact crashplan is made up of 2 distinct parts things were easier - the engine which is what is installed on unraid and runs all the time and does the work and the gui which is just made to point at the engine you want to make changes to. Editing the ui.proprties line with just adding and removing the # to move between the windows engine and the unraid engine is quick and easy.

 

Make sure you have sshd running and a tunnel to your unraid open before running the gui to try to make changes - a point i have forgotten a couple of times !

 

When you restart ssh it genrates a new key and so in putty you will be asked to confirm the key, just click yes - its only needed after a reboot and restart of ssh

 

So now its all up and running and a big thanks to everyone who provided support - i only use unraid bacuase of the level of support that is available to people like me who want to learn but need help.

 

Open points that i would still like clarified

 

> what should be the install directory if you only want crashplan in memory and not on a cache or array disk? i tried /usr/local/crashplan but had problems with array starting and a to many symbolic links error - any suggestions?

> I have to manually restart ssh after a reboot. Would use the one in unmenu but this seems an older version - does that matter? should i leave it running all the time or is it better to stop it once i have done any needed changes - are there any reasons to stop it?

 

I am in the process of changing my cache drive for a 2.5 drive so i have another free full size slot for more data but then i will be setting my backups up. I have now got a licence for crashplan+ unlimited, i have cleared a disk and added a folder there "crashplan backups" to use as a crashplan location for everything and will set anything i put into that folder to go to the cloud and just let it run ....