May 5, 200917 yr i've had several instances of not being able to see Tower, under Network. the first time, I had switched network adapters from LAN to WAN, and then back. when i switched back to LAN though, Tower was not there. i tried several diffferent things, re-applying shares, changing network sharing settings (wasn't sure at first if i needed to have file sharing on, but I have had it off all along. I then restarted my computer, I think that's what did it, brought it back i mean, i had played with a lot of the settings though, so not positive. the most recent time, right now, i had a sudden power loss to server (monkeying around with power strip while it's on....), that was late last night, i powered up (the server) this morning and it ran a parity check, I guess cuz of the power loss, but after I started array there is no Tower, in Network. not sure what to do at this point.... is there a way to force shares to be exported? after an incident such as this. or, am i not doing something i should be to make it visible in Network? thanks a lot, rlr
May 5, 200917 yr The first question is, which machine or device is at fault, otherwise you waste a lot of time on the wrong machine. * It could be your desktop computer. Windows computers can be aggravatingly slow in picking up changes in your network environment, sometimes just needs a reboot, sometimes needs what I call a refresh - a direct reference to the network path or mapped drive seems to restore it, and other times just needs some time to pass. Verify that another computer has the same 'behavior'. * It could be the router or switch in the path. Easily checked. * It could be the unRAID server. Check the usual network diagnostics to see if networking is working. Are the LED's correct? Does ifconfig show a working eth0? Does the syslog show network errors, 'link beat lost', or other network issues? I recommend installing UnMENU, and checking the Network plugin, and the Syslog display for network lines (in maroon). Otherwise, use the Console Commands for Networking page.
May 7, 200917 yr Author The first question is, which machine or device is at fault, otherwise you waste a lot of time on the wrong machine. * It could be your desktop computer. Windows computers can be aggravatingly slow in picking up changes in your network environment, sometimes just needs a reboot, sometimes needs what I call a refresh - a direct reference to the network path or mapped drive seems to restore it, and other times just needs some time to pass. Verify that another computer has the same 'behavior'. * It could be the router or switch in the path. Easily checked. * It could be the unRAID server. Check the usual network diagnostics to see if networking is working. Are the LED's correct? Does ifconfig show a working eth0? Does the syslog show network errors, 'link beat lost', or other network issues? I recommend installing UnMENU, and checking the Network plugin, and the Syslog display for network lines (in maroon). Otherwise, use the Console Commands for Networking page. i've never worked with a network before, so i'll have to check on what u mean by "usual network diagnostics", i'm not familiar with what those might be. I'll have to check out unmenu too, i just started this array a week or two ago, so i don't have everything dialed yet, not sure about adding add-ons yet, but i'll get to it. where this happens the most frequently is when i change network adapters. i have two network connections set up, and i switch back and forth by disabling/enabling each. every time i do that i lose Tower, in Network. Is it not a good idea to switch networks like that? one is hard-wired, one is wifi from different router. I can manually type in location and it will bring up the folder i want, after i've lost connection, but when i go to access it from software, like TMT3 it won't come up, and you can't type in address, opening up a file for TMT3. A restart seems to help, but it's strange, it's not right away, i'll reboot and then 5-10 mins later it will just pop up. thanks a lot for the help, rlr
May 7, 200917 yr The first question is, which machine or device is at fault, otherwise you waste a lot of time on the wrong machine. * It could be your desktop computer. Windows computers can be aggravatingly slow in picking up changes in your network environment, sometimes just needs a reboot, sometimes needs what I call a refresh - a direct reference to the network path or mapped drive seems to restore it, and other times just needs some time to pass. Verify that another computer has the same 'behavior'. * It could be the router or switch in the path. Easily checked. * It could be the unRAID server. Check the usual network diagnostics to see if networking is working. Are the LED's correct? Does ifconfig show a working eth0? Does the syslog show network errors, 'link beat lost', or other network issues? I recommend installing UnMENU, and checking the Network plugin, and the Syslog display for network lines (in maroon). Otherwise, use the Console Commands for Networking page. i've never worked with a network before, so i'll have to check on what u mean by "usual network diagnostics", i'm not familiar with what those might be. I'll have to check out unmenu too, i just started this array a week or two ago, so i don't have everything dialed yet, not sure about adding add-ons yet, but i'll get to it. where this happens the most frequently is when i change network adapters. i have two network connections set up, and i switch back and forth by disabling/enabling each. every time i do that i lose Tower, in Network. OK, that is easy to explain. Each PC on your lan has to figure out how to route data to and from another on your network. We typically think of TCP/IP addresses, but the actual communications occur at a lower level... The hardware in your network adapter has its own unique-in-the-world hardware-address. This typically not used much by humans... as it is just a long number, in hex notation, and even harder to remember than an IP address. This address is called the MAC address assigned by the manufacturer of the network adapter. When you type an IP address, your router has to make a cross reference from TCP/IP (network-layer) number to MAC address-hardware (link-layer). The actual data is then routed to the correct network adapter. See this wiki entry for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address and also this one for ARP (Address resolution protocol) Your PC when attempting to connect to "//tower" goes one step more, and it uses the domain name server in your router to translate from name to IP address.. and then eventually to MAC address. Once it figures out a route, the connection is usually "remembered" so all the translations do not have to occur every time a new packet of data is sent. If you change the network adapter, there is no longer any hardware responding to the same MAC address. To your PC, nothing answers, because the data was sent to non-existent hardware. Is it not a good idea to switch networks like that? one is hard-wired, one is wifi from different router. You can, but you must reset your router, or teach it the new translation of IP address to MAC address using its "net" command. Joe L.
May 8, 200917 yr Author OK, that is easy to explain. Each PC on your lan has to figure out how to route data to and from another on your network. We typically think of TCP/IP addresses, but the actual communications occur at a lower level... The hardware in your network adapter has its own unique-in-the-world hardware-address. This typically not used much by humans... as it is just a long number, in hex notation, and even harder to remember than an IP address. This address is called the MAC address assigned by the manufacturer of the network adapter. When you type an IP address, your router has to make a cross reference from TCP/IP (network-layer) number to MAC address-hardware (link-layer). The actual data is then routed to the correct network adapter. See this wiki entry for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address and also this one for ARP (Address resolution protocol) Your PC when attempting to connect to "//tower" goes one step more, and it uses the domain name server in your router to translate from name to IP address.. and then eventually to MAC address. Once it figures out a route, the connection is usually "remembered" so all the translations do not have to occur every time a new packet of data is sent. If you change the network adapter, there is no longer any hardware responding to the same MAC address. To your PC, nothing answers, because the data was sent to non-existent hardware. Is it not a good idea to switch networks like that? one is hard-wired, one is wifi from different router. You can, but you must reset your router, or teach it the new translation of IP address to MAC address using its "net" command. Joe L. thanks a lot- i'm not trying to access the tower through wireless adapter though, it is on different network and i'd have to switch it to mine to access tower, but the point is to be on a different network, so when i switch back to regular network, shouldn't it still read the same MAC address? now it's not coming back after last network change, and rebooting, and restarting array. i can open Network, and type in \\tower, it will bring it up for me no prob, but it's still not visible under network machines so like when i try and open a movie from TMT3 where I have to browse from the program itself, and i can't type anything in, I can't get to it, so i can't watch any blu-rays- bummer. is the MAC address static, or does it change with connections? thanks, rlr
May 8, 200917 yr I think Joe explained it very well. The MAC address stays with the device, and your IP is associated with a particular MAC address/network device. If you change the network device, the rest of the network is still trying to send packets to the old MAC address, and it will take a little time or some router 'persuasion' for them to learn that there is a new MAC address they should be sending to. Until they do, you are invisible. Why unhook the hard-wired connection? Both devices can co-exist. May I suggest re-reading Joe's explanation?
May 9, 200917 yr Author I think Joe explained it very well. The MAC address stays with the device, and your IP is associated with a particular MAC address/network device. If you change the network device, the rest of the network is still trying to send packets to the old MAC address, and it will take a little time or some router 'persuasion' for them to learn that there is a new MAC address they should be sending to. Until they do, you are invisible. Why unhook the hard-wired connection? Both devices can co-exist. May I suggest re-reading Joe's explanation? thanks a lot- I'm not trying to get to Tower through wireless connection, it's strictly for downloading stuff, i switch networks, let it download overnight, or whatever, then switch back to my network which is faster. i had certain issues w/ downloading content through my ISP. the wireless i'm using is not from my router, so i'm not trying to re-route my shares or anything, i expected them to be absent when i switched networks, and there when i went back, so if it's still trying to send packets to old address shouldn't it be there when i enable the original adapter? i'm trying to figure out how to install unmenu now.... thx, rlr
May 10, 200917 yr Author I cloned MAC address in router, and it popped right up. rlr yeah, so that didn't really pan out.... after a reboot tower not visible again. I haven't switched adapters at all either, although I kinda need to find a way to do that and have it not be a hassle to get my server back every time. i tried creating a new user id to see if that would force it, but that didn't work either. so, i was just checking out my router the MAC addresses are the same in there, i disabled MAC cloning, i don't think that has anything to do with it. i read the page earlier about that address system, and i was trying to get my mac id, or see what one the adapter was using, i couldn't find where to get that info, and i wasn't sure what to do with it after i find it. like i get the concept, but is it something i can just change or don't i have to prompt the pc to change it? confused.... thanks for any help, rlr
May 10, 200917 yr I cloned MAC address in router, and it popped right up. rlr yeah, so that didn't really pan out.... after a reboot tower not visible again. I haven't switched adapters at all either, although I kinda need to find a way to do that and have it not be a hassle to get my server back every time. i tried creating a new user id to see if that would force it, but that didn't work either. so, i was just checking out my router the MAC addresses are the same in there, i disabled MAC cloning, i don't think that has anything to do with it. i read the page earlier about that address system, and i was trying to get my mac id, or see what one the adapter was using, i couldn't find where to get that info, and i wasn't sure what to do with it after i find it. like i get the concept, but is it something i can just change or don't i have to prompt the pc to change it? confused.... thanks for any help, rlr On the unRAID server, you can see the MAC address by typing ifconfig root@Tower:~# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:11:75:fb:7e inet addr:192.168.2.100 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:6456466 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4120378 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1126576637 (1.0 GiB) TX bytes:1033228337 (985.3 MiB) You can type: arp -a To see the address translation tables. (This same exact command can be used on windows in a "dos" command window.) The equivalent to ifconfig, but on windows in a "dos" command window is ipconfig /all Joe L.
May 10, 200917 yr Author I cloned MAC address in router, and it popped right up. rlr yeah, so that didn't really pan out.... after a reboot tower not visible again. I haven't switched adapters at all either, although I kinda need to find a way to do that and have it not be a hassle to get my server back every time. i tried creating a new user id to see if that would force it, but that didn't work either. so, i was just checking out my router the MAC addresses are the same in there, i disabled MAC cloning, i don't think that has anything to do with it. i read the page earlier about that address system, and i was trying to get my mac id, or see what one the adapter was using, i couldn't find where to get that info, and i wasn't sure what to do with it after i find it. like i get the concept, but is it something i can just change or don't i have to prompt the pc to change it? confused.... thanks for any help, rlr On the unRAID server, you can see the MAC address by typing ifconfig root@Tower:~# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:11:75:fb:7e inet addr:192.168.2.100 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:6456466 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4120378 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1126576637 (1.0 GiB) TX bytes:1033228337 (985.3 MiB) You can type: arp -a To see the address translation tables. (This same exact command can be used on windows in a "dos" command window.) The equivalent to ifconfig, but on windows in a "dos" command window is ipconfig /all Joe L. Hey! thanks- so what do i do once i get address? wanted to ask you about unmenu also- i unpacked to folder \\tower\flash\unmenu. first i tried navigating in windows to uu, but got prompt for what software to use. after reading other post i went to the console and typed in what they had in instructions- /boot/unmenu/uu, but it didn't do anything and went back to "root@tower:~#". i then went to cmd window and tried to nav to it from there, but as my network is not seeing Tower, or more likely i typed the cmd wrong, either way that didn't work, i just tried cd\tower to start with, it said couldn't find path. it seems like the easiest way to do it would be from the terminal, but that command didn't work for me. did i put the file in the right spot? thanks a lot, rlr
May 10, 200917 yr Author Hi, i did arp -a and got the ip associated with mac address on tower, after getting that. how does this help me at this point, how do i associate them? i wasn't sure what you meant by using router's "net" command. thanks
May 10, 200917 yr Hey! thanks- so what do i do once i get address? wanted to ask you about unmenu also- i unpacked to folder \\tower\flash\unmenu. first i tried navigating in windows to uu, but got prompt for what software to use. after reading other post i went to the console and typed in what they had in instructions- /boot/unmenu/uu, but it didn't do anything and went back to "root@tower:~#". i then went to cmd window and tried to nav to it from there, but as my network is not seeing Tower, or more likely i typed the cmd wrong, either way that didn't work, i just tried cd\tower to start with, it said couldn't find path. it seems like the easiest way to do it would be from the terminal, but that command didn't work for me. did i put the file in the right spot? thanks a lot, rlr The command you used from the terminal probably did work. Once "uu" is started you can check to see if unmenu is up and running by going to a web browser and typing htt://tower:8080 and that should bring up the unmenu screen As fare as the not seeing Tower listed in your network places, can't really help with that a lot. It happens to me on my Mac and my Windows box so I just gave up trying to fix it. I am not really that concerned about it as long as I can still get to \\tower from Windows Explorer. My suggestion (and this is what I do for my room mates) is create shortcuts on the desktop for them to use. Just type \\tower\name_of_user_share or \\tower\disk[1-x]\folder_on_disk to get to it and then create a shortcut and place it on the desktop.
May 10, 200917 yr Hi, i did arp -a and got the ip associated with mac address on tower, after getting that. how does this help me at this point, how do i associate them? i wasn't sure what you meant by using router's "net" command. thanks Before you start getting so involved with setting your own routing... PLEASE DESCRIBE YOUR NETWORK... I know I'm showing my frustration, but you obviously are in WAY over your head, and I have no idea of the size of the swamp you are trying to cross. I have personally used the "arp" command about two or three times ever... I'll bet that is more than almost everybody I know. You should not need to use it at all to set anything... I was just showing you how to find the MAC address, since you asked. Do you have a ROUTER Yes/no. If yes, which one (specific brand/model) If you have a ROUTER, do you have its DHCP service enabled? (yes/no) If you have a ROUTER, what is its IP address? If you have a router, what is its netmask set to ? Do you have DHCP enabled on your unRAID server (yes/no) If yes, what IP address was assigned to the unRAID server... If no, what address did YOU assign to the unRAID server. Do you have more than one network connection on your unRAID server? (more than one TCP/IP network cable plugged into it) If so, where are the cables connected? If you have a connection to the internet, where is it connected? (from DSL or cable modem to where? typically to a WAN port on your router... but where is your internet cable connected.) How is the other "wireless" connection you are referring to involved? Describe in some detail... between what two devices? Do you have more than one network connected to your PC? (both wired and wireless perhaps?) If so, do they both connect to the same router? What IP addresses were assigned? What connection are you plugging/un-plugging? In an earlier post you talked about one connection going to a different router... Tell us more about the two routers... or is one a switch, and the other a router. Why do you have two routers? What are their tcp/ip addresses? do they both have DHCP enabled? How are the two routers connected together, or are they? The more you can describe what you have, and what you are trying to accomplish, the better we'll understand. I may not know the answer, but somebody else might. Typically, there is only one router per sub-net. There may be many switches/hubs in a subnet. In my house, I have one router (1 WAN port, 4 LAN ports), and three hubs (two 4 port, and one 8 port hub). No, I don't have an Ethernet enabled toaster... but close. I have both wired and wireless devices.. I think 12 in all (if I counted right), and without the issues you are having... Joe L.
May 10, 200917 yr Author Hi, i did arp -a and got the ip associated with mac address on tower, after getting that. how does this help me at this point, how do i associate them? i wasn't sure what you meant by using router's "net" command. thanks Before you start getting so involved with setting your own routing... PLEASE DESCRIBE YOUR NETWORK... I know I'm showing my frustration, but you obviously are in WAY over your head, and I have no idea of the size of the swamp you are trying to cross. I have personally used the "arp" command about two or three times ever... I'll bet that is more than almost everybody I know. You should not need to use it at all to set anything... I was just showing you how to find the MAC address, since you asked. sorry Joe L, don't mean to frustrate you, thanks a lot for getting back though. I thought you were saying to find the MAC address, so i could link it with an ip, yeah a bit over my head, very new to networks and routing, i appreciate your help. btw do have unmenu running fine, wasn't putting right address in.... Do you have a ROUTER Yes/no. If yes, which one (specific brand/model) yup, linksys wrt54gl, w/ dd-wrt v24-sp1 firmware If you have a ROUTER, do you have its DHCP service enabled? (yes/no) yes If you have a ROUTER, what is its IP address? 192.168.1.1 If you have a router, what is its netmask set to ? subnet mask? 255.255.255.0 Do you have DHCP enabled on your unRAID server (yes/no) If yes, what IP address was assigned to the unRAID server... If no, what address did YOU assign to the unRAID server. I don't know where that option is, I looked in settings, so it's prob whatever default is, ip is set to 192.168.1.108 Do you have more than one network connection on your unRAID server? (more than one TCP/IP network cable plugged into it) If so, where are the cables connected? no If you have a connection to the internet, where is it connected? (from DSL or cable modem to where? typically to a WAN port on your router... but where is your internet cable connected.) well.... it's fiber optic piped out through cat5 cable (2) to a little network hub, the router is plugged into this, the cable tv plugs into this hub also How is the other "wireless" connection you are referring to involved? Describe in some detail... between what two devices? ok, my pc is directly connected to my router, and in Network Connections I have a network adapter for it. i also have a wifi receiver, attached by usb which has it's own adapter in Network Connections. what i do is disable my network adapter, and enable wireless adapter, from there I can connect to various networks. why?- my isp is very small, and is very strict re: p2p traffic, so i can't be on my network and do that, they are great otherwise though Do you have more than one network connected to your PC? (both wired and wireless perhaps?) If so, do they both connect to the same router? What IP addresses were assigned? only one at a time, like above What connection are you plugging/un-plugging? none The more you can describe what you have, and what you are trying to accomplish, the better we'll understand. I may not know the answer, but somebody else might. Typically, there is only one router per sub-net. There may be many switches/hubs in a subnet. In my house, I have one router (1 WAN port, 4 LAN ports), and three hubs (two 4 port, and one 8 port hub). No, I don't have an Ethernet enabled toaster... but close. I have both wired and wireless devices.. I think 12 in all (if I counted right), and without the issues you are having... Joe L. I hope that makes it clearer, it seems like i didn't explain myself well enough before. thanks again, rlr
May 11, 200917 yr More questions... What Operating System are you running on your PC? (the one where you are un-plugging one network connection, and plugging in the alternate) on your PC, when connected to your wired LAN, what is its IP address? (type ipconfig in "dos" window to find out) When connected to your wired lan, what do you get in a "dos" window when you type route print on your PC, when you disconnect the wired LAN and use an "available" wireless connection, what is its IP address? When using the wireless connection, what do you get when you type in a dos window: route print The issue you are facing is how a packet is routed. The basics of how all this work are in a 4-part series of articles that start at this link: http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/TCPIP-Troubleshooting-Structured-Approach-Part1.html they describe how you can use a number of different commands to see and manage the routing tables on your MS-Windows box. More information (bedtime reading for you) at these links: http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Making-Sense-Windows-Routing-Tables.html http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/routeset.html http://www.eggheadcafe.com/conversation.aspx?messageid=31307177&threadid=31292309 http://www.computing.net/answers/networking/two-net-connections-two-nics/12961.html From what I understand, your fiber connection connects to a cable modem and to your cable-TV box. (I'll bet they use a router there and it is not just a hub, but I have no experience with that type of connection.) In any case, their one connection to your router supplies an IP address to it. It is the address you are known by the the rest of the world. Your router acts as the network gateway to the internet... at least so far. It also assigns local IP addresses and translates those as it routes packets from the outside world destined to a PC in your local network. When you unplug it and connect a wireless modem, your PC is highly likely to be assigned a different IP address, and highly likely it will be on a different subnet. Once you end up on a different subnet, it would be impossible to communicate through your router (and get to your unRAID server) until you reset the route in the routing table in the PC, and get the PC back on the same subnet as your router and your unRAID server. Joe L. PS. Cloning the "MAC" address is a technique used by your router to make the router less visible to the cable company. Normally, the router has its own MAC address, sometimes your cable company's cable-modem knows is configured to ONLY work with the 1 PC they originally configured it to connect to. In some cases, the cable company had to be contacted to get them to reset their software to talk to a different PC in your home. This works in all by the situation where the cable company discourages the use of a router in your home and expects only 1 PC, with a specific MAC address connected to it. This "policy" originated when the cable company wanted to charge you for each PC connected to it. By "cloning" the MAC address of your PC and presenting it to the cable-company's modem as its own, it will look to them as if there is only 1 PC as far as the cable-company is concerned, and it is the same one that was originally connected as before you hooked up a router in your home.. See here: http://compnetworking.about.com/od/networkprotocolsip/a/macaddressing_2.htm
May 11, 200917 yr Another complication, if by chance the wireless router you connect to uses the SAME subnet as your wired network, then is is very likely that you might conflict, with a PC or unRAID server on your LAN having the same IP address as on the other wireless network. That would not be good for anybody. Joe L.
May 11, 200917 yr Author Hey, good morning, this is very educational btw, many thanks.... What Operating System are you running on your PC? (the one where you are un-plugging one network connection, and plugging in the alternate) vista x64 ultimate, my own vlite version, not heavily tampered with though, just got rid of some basic stuff I don't use, network was mostly untouched, except for some business oriented components, I can look back and find out exactly. i don't actually physically unplug anything though, i just disable/enable network adapters. on your PC, when connected to your wired LAN, what is its IP address? Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001] Copyright © 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\Administrator>ipconfig Windows IP Configuration Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::98be:3da8:918:56e7%8 IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.127 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:4137:9e50:466:25df:3f57:fe80 Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::466:25df:3f57:fe80%11 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : :: C:\Users\Administrator> so, 192.168.1.127, i think that one changes though, not sure, it's set to auto, not static. When connected to your wired lan, what do you get in a "dos" window when you type route print C:\Users\Administrator>route print =========================================================================== Interface List 8 ...00 01 29 a4 c1 5a ...... Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Con troller 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1 16 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0 isatap.{09392BEF-6AB6-415D-AE01-396A9C7FFB3F} 11 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface =========================================================================== IPv4 Route Table =========================================================================== Active Routes: Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.127 276 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 169.254.0.0 255.255.0.0 On-link 192.168.1.127 296 169.254.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.127 276 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 On-link 192.168.1.127 276 192.168.1.127 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.127 276 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.127 276 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 192.168.1.127 276 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.127 276 =========================================================================== Persistent Routes: Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default =========================================================================== IPv6 Route Table =========================================================================== Active Routes: If Metric Network Destination Gateway 11 18 ::/0 On-link 1 306 ::1/128 On-link 11 18 2001::/32 On-link 11 266 2001:0:4137:9e50:466:25df:3f57:fe80/128 On-link 8 276 fe80::/64 On-link 11 266 fe80::/64 On-link 11 266 fe80::466:25df:3f57:fe80/128 On-link 8 276 fe80::98be:3da8:918:56e7/128 On-link 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link 11 266 ff00::/8 On-link 8 276 ff00::/8 On-link =========================================================================== Persistent Routes: None C:\Users\Administrator> on your PC, when you disconnect the wired LAN and use an "available" wireless connection, what is its IP address? I set a static IP for those, 192.168.1.21 When using the wireless connection, what do you get when you type in a dos window: route print C:\Users\Administrator>route print =========================================================================== Interface List 15 ...00 0e 3b 0a 71 04 ...... Atheros AR5007UG Wireless Network Adapter #3 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1 21 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0 Microsoft ISATAP Adapter 11 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface =========================================================================== IPv4 Route Table =========================================================================== Active Routes: Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.21 281 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 On-link 192.168.1.21 281 192.168.1.21 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.21 281 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.21 281 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 192.168.1.21 281 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.1.21 281 =========================================================================== Persistent Routes: Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 Default =========================================================================== IPv6 Route Table =========================================================================== Active Routes: If Metric Network Destination Gateway 11 18 ::/0 On-link 1 306 ::1/128 On-link 11 18 2001::/32 On-link 11 266 2001:0:4137:9e50:1449:fb4b:e76c:a1d1/128 On-link 15 281 fe80::/64 On-link 11 266 fe80::/64 On-link 11 266 fe80::1449:fb4b:e76c:a1d1/128 On-link 15 281 fe80::54f3:6863:f9bf:e25d/128 On-link 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link 11 266 ff00::/8 On-link 15 281 ff00::/8 On-link =========================================================================== Persistent Routes: None C:\Users\Administrator> From what I understand, your fiber connection connects to a cable modem and to your cable-TV box. (I'll bet they use a router there and it is not just a hub, but I have no experience with that type of connection.) there's no cable modem, it's all cat5 ethernet cables, the way they explained it to me was that essentially I have a dedicated line to the server, and i'm on their LAN. the box is pretty small, i think it's just a simple junction box, like even though there's an open port, they told me i can't use it for another computer, i have to use the router connected to it and other pc's have to run off my router. I am hard lined to the router. In any case, their one connection to your router supplies an IP address to it. It is the address you are known by the the rest of the world. Your router acts as the network gateway to the internet... at least so far. It also assigns local IP addresses and translates those as it routes packets from the outside world destined to a PC in your local network. When you unplug it and connect a wireless modem, your PC is highly likely to be assigned a different IP address, and highly likely it will be on a different subnet. Once you end up on a different subnet, it would be impossible to communicate through your router (and get to your unRAID server) until you reset the route in the routing table in the PC, and get the PC back on the same subnet as your router and your unRAID server. Joe L. hmmm, the subnet is same for both 255.255.255.0, but i have gotten warnings while assigning the default gateway, i believe, because they are also both 192.168.1.1, and what will happen is once i close that adapter, and reopen it, the default gateway will be missing. the other adapter is always disabled when i switch over, so i thought they would work independently, but my ip address changes from one to the other, but i disable my connection to the router (right?, by disabling adapter) so when i'm on wifi, which really isn't much anyway, it's not even looking at or attempting to connect to the server or this network at all, so i'm not sure i see how it could be causing a conflict as far as ip's not being recognized or whatever. isn't it like- once i disable that adapter there's no interaction between my pc and my own network? but then it's adapting to new network? so when i switch back that's why i'm getting these problems? never was a problem with regular internet use, it just seems to affect the network, and just to be clear, i can manually type in \\tower\tv, or whatever, and it will bring up the files from my server, it's just that it doesn't export well to my computer, like the "tower" does not appear in Network. this is ok for some things, but i'm using tmt 3 for everything else, and it doesn't work that way, you have to browse for your file, there's no address bar when opening folder, other programs are like this too, so for most everything, since it's a lot of movies, i still can't play files, even though i can manually get there from computer otherwise, i can look at them, but the need to be opened from TMT 3, or whatever. So.... setting aside wireless adapter, it's convenient for some stuff, but i'm not married to it, how can i just get myself properly associated with my own network? will resetting my router do it? I'd like to use the wireless occasionally, but not if it's going to cause these nightmares. thanks for those links too, i will read up on that. gratefully, RLR
May 12, 200917 yr Author Hey.... i was checking out uu, network activity May 11 20:27:56 Tower dhcpcd[1180]: sending DHCP_REQUEST for 192.168.1.108 to 192.168.1.1 May 11 20:27:56 Tower dhcpcd[1180]: dhcpIPaddrLeaseTime=86400 in DHCP server response. May 11 20:27:56 Tower dhcpcd[1180]: DHCP_ACK received from (192.168.1.1) not sure what it all means but thought it might be helpful, thanks, rlr
May 12, 200917 yr Author so, i stopped and restarted Samba, and it re-exported my share, and it popped right up in my Network folder.
May 13, 200917 yr Author so, i stopped and restarted Samba, and it re-exported my share, and it popped right up in my Network folder. Hi, ok, you guys will probably hate this, but.... i wanted to check if re-starting Samba, since it worked once, would behave the same way if i re-created the scenario. so, i tried changing to wireless adapter, etc. and when i was back on and restarted Samba, it did not work this time, so i'm out a tower again. i wouldn't mind having to type the address in to open op shares, but i can't play blu-rays that way, so i need Tower appearing in Network. Is resetting router going to fix this? and then i can delete wireless adapter and just leave it alone What about people with laptops, who connect to at least 2, and who knows how many more, networks a day, they're changing networks all the time, some of them, so none of these people can go home and enjoy a fully functioning unraid server, because they switch networks? That just doesn't sound right, how can they exclude that many people. Isn't that exactly what i'm doing? thanks, and much regards, rlr
May 13, 200917 yr You said earlier that you HAD to constantly swap the networks, and you had a reason for it, but it wasn't clear to me why. Most people never unhook their normal network connection, even if they hook up other connections too. So the unRAID connection is always there, whatever else may or may not be connected. Can you explain again why you have to unhook the wired network, before using the wifi connection? A traveling laptop would normally come home to see the unRAID server on the usual subnet, with the same IP it always had when they left, so it has no problem resuming the connection. (I don't claim to be an expert at this though.)
May 13, 200917 yr so, i stopped and restarted Samba, and it re-exported my share, and it popped right up in my Network folder. Hi, ok, you guys will probably hate this, but.... i wanted to check if re-starting Samba, since it worked once, would behave the same way if i re-created the scenario. so, i tried changing to wireless adapter, etc. and when i was back on and restarted Samba, it did not work this time, so i'm out a tower again. i wouldn't mind having to type the address in to open op shares, but i can't play blu-rays that way, so i need Tower appearing in Network. Is resetting router going to fix this? and then i can delete wireless adapter and just leave it alone What about people with laptops, who connect to at least 2, and who knows how many more, networks a day, they're changing networks all the time, some of them, so none of these people can go home and enjoy a fully functioning unraid server, because they switch networks? That just doesn't sound right, how can they exclude that many people. Isn't that exactly what i'm doing? thanks, and much regards, rlr Some ideas... I would try just using the "route add" command to add in a route using the wireless adapter to the internet with a "metric" higher than the internal network... then, use "route delete" when you do not want it used. This is the most complicated thing to try, though, so leave it for last... Or try the ipconfig /renew command on your PC to release and renew all the network connections. It might restore your network connections. Or... You might need to look into who is the "master browser" for your PC on your network when connected to the two different networks.. It might be a role taken over by the remote wireless LAN when you use it. See lots of tips here: http://www.chicagotech.net/browser.htm#Cant%20see%20any%20or%20only%20some%20computers%20in%20My%20Network%20Places According to them, you would need to turn off the network "Client for MS Networks" on the wireless network adapter as per a tip given on that link when using multiple network adapters: "4) Uncheck Client for MS Networks on the (wireless network) card." You'll find it under "Properties" on the "Network and Sharing Center" page on Vista. Joe L
May 14, 200917 yr Author You said earlier that you HAD to constantly swap the networks, and you had a reason for it, but it wasn't clear to me why. Most people never unhook their normal network connection, even if they hook up other connections too. So the unRAID connection is always there, whatever else may or may not be connected. Can you explain again why you have to unhook the wired network, before using the wifi connection? A traveling laptop would normally come home to see the unRAID server on the usual subnet, with the same IP it always had when they left, so it has no problem resuming the connection. (I don't claim to be an expert at this though.) Hey.... I don't actually disconnect anything, except virtually, I disable one adapter and enable the other, in Network Connections. the reason is, one, I didn't know how that would work being connected simultaneously to two networks, and two, the main reason, it's because of bit torrent traffic, if my ISP gets the slightest whiff of that I will get banned for one year, i've been warned. so I use the wifi for that, or would like to anyways, I live near a good sized university so there's plenty of signal around. but, if I don't disable that LAN adapter, that could be bad, I like my ISP, can I keep it from connecting to the internet, but not be disabled? thx, rlr
May 14, 200917 yr You said earlier that you HAD to constantly swap the networks, and you had a reason for it, but it wasn't clear to me why. Most people never unhook their normal network connection, even if they hook up other connections too. So the unRAID connection is always there, whatever else may or may not be connected. Can you explain again why you have to unhook the wired network, before using the wifi connection? A traveling laptop would normally come home to see the unRAID server on the usual subnet, with the same IP it always had when they left, so it has no problem resuming the connection. (I don't claim to be an expert at this though.) Hey.... I don't actually disconnect anything, except virtually, I disable one adapter and enable the other, in Network Connections. the reason is, one, I didn't know how that would work being connected simultaneously to two networks, and two, the main reason, it's because of bit torrent traffic, if my ISP gets the slightest whiff of that I will get banned for one year, i've been warned. so I use the wifi for that, or would like to anyways, I live near a good sized university so there's plenty of signal around. but, if I don't disable that LAN adapter, that could be bad, I like my ISP, can I keep it from connecting to the internet, but not be disabled? thx, rlr I understand... just an entirely different situation than many. I have a wireless LAN here... and a wired one. I can detect NO other wireless access points at all besides my own, and it is weak. ... (my nearest neighbor is over 800 feet away AND over a hill. Can't visually see their house, so line-of-sight 802.11 just does not do it. My own access point is in the basement, below ground level, the floor above it has wire-lath embedded in it, below the quarry tile... The signal 15 feet from the access point is weak...) nobody can hear my access point either. Most of the time, I use the wired LAN in the house... rarely will I use the wireless one. Joe L.
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