Concelor Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Hey everybody Pains me to say but I think my second Unraid (1st VM system) is on it's way out so it's time to rebuild I've learned a lot of lessons the last over my last 7 years using Unraid but starting a build is also so fun/overwhleming/tempting lol End Goal: 1 Gaming class Windows 10 VM bigger the better The Unraid system for storing videos/files accessed by the VM and OSMC (formally RaspberryPI) And if possible, not vital a headless Linus for surfing and banking purposes Already Owned Parts: Power Supply: 850 Watt Platinum Rated EVGA Power Supply Video Card: GTX 960 4GB Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Drives: Parity: 4TB WD Green Arrary: 3TB Hitachi 3TB Hitachi 2TB WD Green 1.5TB WDGreen 1.5TB WDGreen 1.5TB WDGreen Cache: 250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD 250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD Unassigned: 1TB WD Green 250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD 250GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD On to the fun part So really I just need a motherboard, processor, and memory, the heart if you will) I have a budget of 500-600 A lot of threads I have read recently seem to like the 2011-V3 but that might not be ideal for my end goal Do the gurus have any good directions to point me in? Link to comment
TinkerToyTech Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 How are you serving up the files to your clients - the media files? How Many streams to TVs at a time? what are the Plex clients? From reading the forums, I'm seeing that people recommended a PassMark score of 2000 per stream. for secure banking, why not use a Chromebook instead of an Ubuntu vm? Will the streams all be running while you're gaming? Just a few things that would be helpful answered. Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Files are just through SMB to the Raspberry Pi, I've honestly never touched Plex, if I'm not at home I don't stream At most there would be one two streams, though if I"m on the VM there be only one, as the the PC and TVs are in different rooms So to answer your final question, my girlfriend may be watching the TV while I game, but at most one stream would be running while gaming The secure banking is just a secondary thought, right now for the major banking I do I use a live stick, a Chromebook is extra clutter I'm trying to avoid collecting (it's why I'm trying to keep my server/gaming in rig in one unit ) Over the weekend I was eyeing different components I was thinking this motherboard (EVGA X99) with a 6850K but that already puts me near budget before I even buy RAM, so my gut says that might be overkill for my end goal Then again, Microcenter does have combo deals with the 6850 and save a 100 bucks but none of the MBs caught my eye It's so overwhelming with all the choices, I'm glad there are so many gurus here Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Alot of the posts I have read this week, seem to have a common thread put more money into a processor than RAM but like anything on the internet every post you can find about that, you can find one saying the other thing Is a good baseline of RAM around 16GB to start then? And would a good processor be the i7 family? Or is it better to have more RAM and stay in the i% realm Link to comment
SSD Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 How much memory and what CPU would you need for your gaming if Windows was installed bare metal on the computer? Add 4G memory and realize you'll lose one of the cores (normally 25% if you have a typical 4 core processor), because that one core will be given exclusively to unRaid and any Dockers you are running. unRaid's core will take care of the media streaming. Your CPU would have to support vt-d, which will rule out lower end CPU s. As I understand it, most games are more video card limited than CPU, so whether losing that core is going to affect performance in a meaningful way is dependent on the game. But I expect you'd get the expected "near bare metal" performance from your VM. There are 8 core options which are either a lot more expensive or on aging platforms and require a rack mounted system. Also, as the core count goes up, the single core performance speed goes down. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you are interested, there are several threads on people with these setups. Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 That is an awesome guide line to have! So most games are 8GB minimum so 16 would be ideal As for CPU each game seems little different and no real commonality as some relay on CPU more than others But from an Unraid performance/ease perspective is an i5 or i7 the way to go Some people see the i7 as the best of the best while others see a high end i5 the idle middle ground between cost and performance vs a low end i7 Link to comment
DZMM Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The Ryzen gaming guide looks interesting https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/ Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Ryzen sounds good but a lot of the threads here, especially the Ryzen one sounds like it's still to new The i7 builds on there look great too Considering the hiccups with Ryzen But a trend I see on here is a lot of people advocate 2011-V3 the builds on that site are 1151 Is there really a huge difference? It seems to come down to Bus Speed, but for one or two VMs is that a deal breaker? Link to comment
DZMM Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Concelor said: Ryzen sounds good but a lot of the threads here, especially the Ryzen one sounds like it's still to new The i7 builds on there look great too Considering the hiccups with Ryzen But a trend I see on here is a lot of people advocate 2011-V3 the builds on that site are 1151 Is there really a huge difference? It seems to come down to Bus Speed, but for one or two VMs is that a deal breaker? If all you were doing is building a gaming machine I would say 1151. But given you want a machine that will wear many hats, I would go 2011v3. Your gaming performance will be 'worse' as not many games will utilise the extra cores and per core speeds will be lower, but for multi-tasking i.e. unraid I'd go for the cores. Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 1151 vs a 2011 in terms of virtual vs bare metal makes sense So looking at it This motherboard (ASRock X99 Extreme4 LGA 2011-v3) @ 159.99 An i7 6800K at 329.99 An 16Gb of RAM (G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series DDR4 3000) @ 143.99 Comes a little over 600 bucks which is fine Would that be a rock solid build? Suggestions to any of those components would be fine Though I have decided to stay with a 2011-V3 chipset as DZMM pointed out it'll help a virtual system more than a physical one Link to comment
SSD Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Looks pretty sweet actually! With all those cores, might consider 32G RAM. If not, buy big chips so you can expand later. Link to comment
DZMM Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I agree with getting more memory. I know it doesn't help with budget creep as it adds another $70, but I'd get 2x this and add 32GB https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231892&cm_re=F4-2666C15D-16GVR-_-20-231-892-_-Product Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 If 32 is recommended, 32 is what it shall be But to save money I noticed Microcenter has a pretty good deal for that motherboard CPU combo But they don't have GSkill RAM is Gskill the best of the best or is there a speed I'm looking for in general Link to comment
DZMM Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Overcooking isn't recommended for unraid, so personally I would just get the cheapest that's compatible as you'll probably not even notice if you shell out for faster ram IMHO Link to comment
ashman70 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I've no experience with GSkill RAM myself, I have always used Kingston or Corsair with no issues. Link to comment
SSD Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I've had good experience with GSkill over the years. I think they are a good brand. Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 So i pulled the trigger Monday this week and through Fate got a great deal at microcenter for the following M/B: ASRock - X99 Extreme4/3.1 CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-6850K CPU @ 3.60GHz Memory: 32 GB (max. installable capacity 512 GB) EVGA GTX960 However no matter what I try I still get 3dmarks in the 2000s What info do I need to gather before I post a question over in the KVM support thread or is there some super simple fix that I forgot Link to comment
DZMM Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 How many cores have you allocated the VM, have you followed the post-vm installation steps (LSI, high power, disable hibernation etc), pinning cores etc? Link to comment
Concelor Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 cores pinned and unraid CPU isolated 16 GB of RAM High Power Hibernation Disabled not sure about LSI Link to comment
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