Seek_Error_Rate = 1


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After preclearing my WD20EARS, It had a Seek_Error_Rate of 1. It was 0 before the preclear. I've never had this value increase and i'm wondering if I should send it back since I can still get it replaced for free.

 

None of my EADS did this (And I have 11 of them), first EARS and this happens. Is it normal for EARS?

 

 

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After preclearing my WD20EARS, It had a Seek_Error_Rate of 1. It was 0 before the preclear. I've never had this value increase and i'm wondering if I should send it back since I can still get it replaced for free.

 

None of my EADS did this (And I have 11 of them), first EARS and this happens. Is it normal for EARS?

You have not read how to interpret the SMART reports, have you?

 

The "raw" values vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and disk drive model/firmware level.  Most are meaningful only to the manufacturer.  Some disk manufacturers show them, others do not, they almost never have meaning to end-users like us.  About the only ones consistently usable are Temperature, and Sectors re-allocated or pending re-allocation.  (and even the temperature is sometimes suspect, as some drives report as temperature below ambient, and that is not possible unless the reported number must be offset to get a true temperature reading.)

 

Unless the normalized "Worst" value is near or at the failure "threshold" value for that parameter for seek-errors, the manufacturer would consider the drive to be working as expected.

 

Joe L.

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Hi Joe,

 

Appreciate your insight on the follwoing report so I can learn what I am looking at. This is a old WD Raptor 8gb 10K drive I pre-cleared (first preclear I have ever performed). May use this as a cache drive...

 

========================================================================1.6

== invoked as: ./preclear_disk.sh -M 4 /dev/sdd

==  WDC WD800ADFS-75SLR2    WD-WMANS1500466== Disk /dev/sdd has been successfully precleared

== with a starting sector of 64

== Ran 1 cycle

==

== Using :Read block size = 8225280 Bytes

== Last Cycle's Pre Read Time  : 0:20:01 (65 MB/s)

== Last Cycle's Zeroing time  : 0:19:37 (67 MB/s)

== Last Cycle's Post Read Time : 0:41:17 (31 MB/s)

== Last Cycle's Total Time    : 1:22:08

==

== Total Elapsed Time 1:22:08

==

== Disk Start Temperature: 27C

==

== Current Disk Temperature: 29C,

==

============================================================================

** Changed attributes in files: /tmp/smart_start_sdd  /tmp/smart_finish_sdd

                ATTRIBUTE  NEW_VAL OLD_VAL FAILURE_THRESHOLD STATUS      RAW_VALUE

          Seek_Error_Rate =  100    200          51        ok          0

    Temperature_Celsius =  114    116            0        ok          29

No SMART attributes are FAILING_NOW

 

0 sectors were pending re-allocation before the start of the preclear.

0 sectors were pending re-allocation after pre-read in cycle 1 of 1.

0 sectors were pending re-allocation after zero of disk in cycle 1 of 1.

0 sectors are pending re-allocation at the end of the preclear,

    the number of sectors pending re-allocation did not change.

0 sectors had been re-allocated before the start of the preclear.

0 sectors are re-allocated at the end of the preclear,

    the number of sectors re-allocated did not change.

 

 

 

If you need anything else from the rest of the report let me mknow. Much appreciated.

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The normalized seek error rate current value is 100.  Before you started it was 200 (often an initialized value from the factory)

Both are well over the failure threshold of 51.

 

Only the manufacturer knows what those represent, and they don't tell anyone, other than if the value is above the affiliated failure threshold, it is not failing.

 

Joe L.

 

 

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Thank you!

 

How should I read this for my understanding, old value was 200, now 100 failure threshold is 51?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#ATA_S.M.A.R.T._attributes

 

Both 200 and 100 are often initial values given to parameters when the drive gets a bit of time on it.  Don't try to read ANYTHING into it, as we've seen drives where the initial value is 100 and the failure threshold is 99.  There is no standard.  Each manufacturer makes up their own rules...  The only constant is if the normalized value is greater than the affiliated failure threshold that it is not failing.  It DOES NOT indicate the drive is good, as many times SMART parameters do not show anything abnormal for a a drive that is causing all kinds of errors.  In the same way, a drive that is FAILING_NOW on some parameters might be perfectly fine.

 

Good luck in understanding... nobody really does.  For some it is a "marketing" thing.  To help in the sales brochure.

 

If you think this is too crude a description, just think, 99% of the disks in the world never get tested, and never get a smart report run on them, and most are used in windows PS, and they never crash....  ;D

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Ok here is another drive I just precleared (old 320GB Deskstar).

 

Need to understand what re-allocated means, my understanding is that is not good, but there must be a gauge of "ok thats not to bad for an old driver" or if that is not the case say "always scrape a drive that has re-allocated sectors" for an example. Also seemed to had 3 (or 9) Errors but back when it was used for 147 days (is my understanding) this should not be an issue as they happened once all at the same time (long time ago) yes?

 

========================================================================1.6

== invoked as: ./preclear_disk.sh -M 4 /dev/sda

==  Hitachi HDT725032VLA360    VFM201R234P27N== Disk /dev/sda has been successfully precleared

== with a starting sector of 64

== Ran 1 cycle

==

== Using :Read block size = 8225280 Bytes

== Last Cycle's Pre Read Time  : 1:41:48 (52 MB/s)

== Last Cycle's Zeroing time  : 1:45:07 (50 MB/s)

== Last Cycle's Post Read Time : 3:22:42 (26 MB/s)

== Last Cycle's Total Time    : 6:50:52

==

== Total Elapsed Time 6:50:52

==

== Disk Start Temperature: 32C

==

== Current Disk Temperature: 33C,

==

============================================================================

** Changed attributes in files: /tmp/smart_start_sda  /tmp/smart_finish_sda

                ATTRIBUTE  NEW_VAL OLD_VAL FAILURE_THRESHOLD STATUS      RAW_VALUE

      Raw_Read_Error_Rate =  100      86          16        ok          0

      Temperature_Celsius =  181    187            0        ok          33

No SMART attributes are FAILING_NOW

 

0 sectors were pending re-allocation before the start of the preclear.

0 sectors were pending re-allocation after pre-read in cycle 1 of 1.

0 sectors were pending re-allocation after zero of disk in cycle 1 of 1.

0 sectors are pending re-allocation at the end of the preclear,

    the number of sectors pending re-allocation did not change.

5 sectors had been re-allocated before the start of the preclear.

5 sectors are re-allocated at the end of the preclear,

    the number of sectors re-allocated did not change.

============================================================================

============================================================================

==

== S.M.A.R.T Initial Report for /dev/sda

==

Disk: /dev/sda

smartctl 5.39.1 2010-01-28 r3054 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] (local build)

Copyright © 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

 

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===

Model Family:    Hitachi Deskstar T7K500

Device Model:    Hitachi HDT725032VLA360

Serial Number:    VFM201R234P27N

Firmware Version: V54OA7EA

User Capacity:    320,072,933,376 bytes

Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]

ATA Version is:  7

ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D revision 1

Local Time is:    Tue Mar  1 01:42:29 2011 EST

SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.

SMART support is: Enabled

 

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===

SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

 

General SMART Values:

Offline data collection status:  (0x00) Offline data collection activity

                                        was never started.

                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.

Self-test execution status:      (  0) The previous self-test routine completed

                                        without error or no self-test has ever

                                        been run.

Total time to complete Offline

data collection:                  (5601) seconds.

Offline data collection

capabilities:                    (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.

                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.

                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new

                                        command.

                                        Offline surface scan supported.

                                        Self-test supported.

                                        No Conveyance Self-test supported.

                                        Selective Self-test supported.

SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering

                                        power-saving mode.

                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.

Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.

                                        General Purpose Logging supported.

Short self-test routine

recommended polling time:        (  1) minutes.

Extended self-test routine

recommended polling time:        (  94) minutes.

SCT capabilities:              (0x003f)  SCT Status supported.

                                        SCT Feature Control supported.

                                        SCT Data Table supported.

 

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16

Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG    VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE

  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate    0x000b  086  086  016    Pre-fail  Always      -      524398

  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005  100  100  050    Pre-fail  Offline      -      0

  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007  122  122  024    Pre-fail  Always      -      308 (Average 302)

  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012  100  100  000    Old_age  Always      -      59

  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  100  100  005    Pre-fail  Always      -      5

  7 Seek_Error_Rate        0x000b  100  100  067    Pre-fail  Always      -      0

  8 Seek_Time_Performance  0x0005  100  100  020    Pre-fail  Offline      -      0

  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012  096  096  000    Old_age  Always      -      30714

10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013  100  100  060    Pre-fail  Always      -      0

12 Power_Cycle_Count      0x0032  100  100  000    Old_age  Always      -      58

192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  099  099  000    Old_age  Always      -      1319

193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012  099  099  000    Old_age  Always      -      1319

194 Temperature_Celsius    0x0002  187  187  000    Old_age  Always      -      32 (Lifetime Min/Max 15/52)

196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032  100  100  000    Old_age  Always      -      9

197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022  100  100  000    Old_age  Always      -      0

198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0008  100  100  000    Old_age  Offline      -      0

199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a  200  253  000    Old_age  Always      -      0

 

SMART Error Log Version: 1

ATA Error Count: 3

        CR = Command Register [HEX]

        FR = Features Register [HEX]

        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]

        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]

        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]

        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]

        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]

        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]

        ER = Error register [HEX]

        ST = Status register [HEX]

Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as

DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,

SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

 

Error 3 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3551 hours (147 days + 23 hours)

  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

 

  After command completion occurred, registers were:

  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH

  -- -- -- -- -- -- --

  40 51 11 05 aa 1b e0  Error: UNC 17 sectors at LBA = 0x001baa05 = 1812997

 

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:

  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC  Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name

  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------

  25 ff 17 ff a9 1b e0 00      00:08:01.900  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 25 7f 96 1f e0 00      00:08:01.900  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 1f e0 01 60 e0 00      00:08:01.900  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 37 c8 05 02 e0 00      00:08:01.900  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 12 9d 43 01 e0 00      00:08:01.900  READ DMA EXT

 

Error 2 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3551 hours (147 days + 23 hours)

  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

 

  After command completion occurred, registers were:

  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH

  -- -- -- -- -- -- --

  40 51 16 00 aa 1b e0  Error: UNC 22 sectors at LBA = 0x001baa00 = 1812992

 

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:

  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC  Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name

  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------

  25 ff 17 ff a9 1b e0 00      00:02:18.400  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 25 7f 96 1f e0 00      00:02:18.400  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 1f e0 01 60 e0 00      00:02:18.400  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 37 c8 05 02 e0 00      00:02:18.400  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 12 9d 43 01 e0 00      00:02:18.400  READ DMA EXT

 

Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3551 hours (147 days + 23 hours)

  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

 

  After command completion occurred, registers were:

  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH

  -- -- -- -- -- -- --

  40 51 16 00 aa 1b e0  Error: UNC 22 sectors at LBA = 0x001baa00 = 1812992

 

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:

  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC  Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name

  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------

  25 ff 17 ff a9 1b e0 00      00:00:41.800  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 25 7f 96 1f e0 00      00:00:41.800  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 1f e0 01 60 e0 00      00:00:41.800  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 37 c8 05 02 e0 00      00:00:41.800  READ DMA EXT

  25 ff 12 9d 43 01 e0 00      00:00:41.800  READ DMA EXT

 

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1

Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error

# 1  Short offline      Completed without error      00%    30689        -

 

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1

SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS

    1        0        0  Not_testing

    2        0        0  Not_testing

    3        0        0  Not_testing

    4        0        0  Not_testing

    5        0        0  Not_testing

Selective self-test flags (0x0):

  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.

If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

==

============================================================================

 

 

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