vexhold Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I think I got this, but just want a second opinion before I Let my checkbook loose. I am building 2 systems, which will be at different locations. Parts list as Follows... LOCATION Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Home Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Mom's Total PART Case Motherboard CPU PSU Memory Controller Card Controller Card Rails USB Drive Cables Cables Cables Cables Cables unRAID Case Motherboard CPU PSU Memory Controller Card Controller Card USB Drive Cables Cables Cables Cables Cables Cables Cables Cables unRAID DESCRIPTION NORCO 4220 Rackmount Case SuperMicro C2SEA Intel Celeron E3300 COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RSA00-AMBAJ3-US Corsair XMS3 4GB (2GB x2) SuperMicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 SuperMicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 RL-20 20" Rail Kit SanDisk Cruzer Micro 4GB SSF-8087 Mini SAS SSF-8087 Mini SAS SSF-8087 Mini SAS SSF-8087 Mini SAS Reverse breakout Cable License Thermaltake Armor SuperMicro C2SEA Intel Celeron E3300 COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RSA00-AMBAJ3-US Corsair XMS3 4GB (2GB x2) SuperMicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 SuperMicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 SanDisk Cruzer Micro 4GB SATA II Cable SATA II Cable SATA II Cable SATA II Cable SATA II Breakout Cable SATA II Breakout Cable SATA II Breakout Cable SATA II Breakout Cable License PRICE 330 125 51 165 85 95 95 40 10 15 15 15 15 13 50 0 125 51 165 85 95 95 10 3 3 3 3 20 20 20 20 50 1887 Hardware Cost: 1887 w/ 18TB HD space 3487 w/ 27TB HD space 4047 w/ 36TB HD space 4767 Is this correct, or am I on the wrong track? Link to comment
Chris Pollard Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 if those are 1000w PSU's then they are a little ott. also be aware that most people seem surprised at how loud the norco is. Link to comment
vexhold Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 The Norco noise isnt a big deal, I have a server room in my basement where it will be housed in a rack. I heard that you should never skimp on the PSU as it the main cause of issues when running so much. I want modular and enough power for up to 22 HD's. Link to comment
Chris Pollard Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 well a single rail one would be better. eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049 Link to comment
vexhold Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 well a single rail one would be better. eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049 Not too bad, I like it. Thanks. Link to comment
poofyhairguy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 well a single rail one would be better. eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049 Geez. 750W is enough.... Link to comment
Joe L. Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 well a single rail one would be better. eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049 Geez. 750W is enough.... Yes BUT. It is a 2 rail supply, and I'll bet only one 40 Amp rail is used for all the disks. And it is limited to 500 Watts according to the name-plate on the side of the unit. The other 12 volt rail is probably for all the power hungry PCIe card connectors. At 2 amps per disk, I see about 20 disks at most on that supply. Link to comment
vexhold Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 well a single rail one would be better. eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049 Geez. 750W is enough.... Yes BUT. It is a 2 rail supply, and I'll bet only one 40 Amp rail is used for all the disks. And it is limited to 500 Watts according to the name-plate on the side of the unit. The other 12 volt rail is probably for all the power hungry PCIe card connectors. At 2 amps per disk, I see about 20 disks at most on that supply. Joe, your talking about the Corsair correct? Besides the PSU, does everything else look good guys? Mainly looking for 2nd opinions on the controller Card/cable decisions I made. wth is up with posting on this site... cant write too much or you cant see what your typing... Link to comment
BRiT Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 The CPU seems to be extremely dated for a new system. I dont think the motherboard C2SEA even supports it. Link to comment
vexhold Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 The CPU seems to be extremely dated for a new system. I dont think the motherboard C2SEA even supports it. You are soo right. I didnt see that it was LGA775.. How's this? better? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116264&cm_re=lga775_processor-_-19-116-264-_-Product Link to comment
Rajahal Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Do you plan on running your servers stock or with add-ons? If stock, then why not a low power CPU like the Celeron 430? You'll save money and a bit of power. Also, here's a modular PSU with a massive single +12V rail (52A): CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX I would recommend that one instead of the Cooler Master ones you have posted. This PSU will support 20 drives as long as most of them are green drives. Link to comment
ohlwiler Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I would bet that the E3300 draws less power than the Celeron 430 because the E3300 is 45nm and the 430 is 65nm. I'd love to see some head to head comparisons. Link to comment
Rajahal Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I would bet that the E3300 draws less power than the Celeron 430 because the E3300 is 45nm and the 430 is 65nm. I'd love to see some head to head comparisons. Could be, I don't know. I've always gone by the wattage rating - the 430 is 35 W whereas the E3300 is 65 W. Link to comment
vexhold Posted August 23, 2010 Author Share Posted August 23, 2010 So a quick addon question. I have still held off on purchasing due to my hesitation of being 100% sure I am getting the most bang for my buck and not missing out on anything. I read another thread where someone else is building a similar build and is using higher end parts. Here is his parts list: •Chassis: NORCO RPC-4220 4U Rackmount Server Chassis http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219033 (with 3x120mm fan mod: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4816&start=34) Picked due to high amount of space in a (relatively) small footprint. I happen to have a 36U rack in the house for various servers, so this was ideal •Fans: Scythe SY1225SL12M 120mm "Slipstream" Case Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185058 Much more silent than the included 4x80mm screamers that were included •Rails: NORCO RL-20 20" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811997302 These were not fun to install onto my 4 post square hole rack, I don't really recommend them... •HDD: 3x SAMSUNG EcoGreen F3 2TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152202 Cheap, lower power, large size drives with a good rating. Also, I don't like to support WD because of their stance on TLER •USB Drive: SanDisk Cruzer Micro 2GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171374 Cheap, recommended by Lime-Tech •Controller Card: 2x Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 8-Ports SAS http://nextwarehouse.com/item/?820745 8 devices on one PCI-E slot? Yes, please. Also highly rated •Cables: NORCO C-SFF8087-D SFF-8087 to SFF-8087 Internal Multilane SAS Cable http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133034 Cheap; they work •Motherboard: SUPERMICRO MBD-X8SIL-F-O Xeon X3400 / L3400 / Core i3 series Dual LAN Micro ATX Server Board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182211 On board USB port (not header) means I plugged the flash drive directly into the board. 3 8x PCI-E slots combined with the Supermicro addon cards means plenty of room for expansion (could fill the RPC-4224 [24 bay] without using any of the on-board SATA) •CPU: Intel Core i3-530 Clarkdale 2.93GHz 4MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115222 Low power, high speed quad core. Supprised it can be used on a server-class motherboard •RAM: Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 Server Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139041 Motherboard requires ECC RAM. It was actually fairly inexpensive considering •PSU: SeaSonic S12D 850 Silver 850W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151083 High wattage with good efficeincy at a good price Now the parts I am wondering about are mainly the MB & CPU. What benefit is having this newer board and CPU vs what I have tentetive. (besides the onboard USB and the remote control option) is there an expansion or speed benefit? Thanks Link to comment
cj0r Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I would bet that the E3300 draws less power than the Celeron 430 because the E3300 is 45nm and the 430 is 65nm. I'd love to see some head to head comparisons. Could be, I don't know. I've always gone by the wattage rating - the 430 is 35 W whereas the E3300 is 65 W. Keep in mind that that power rating has to do with full load not idle usage. If the E3300 isn't being stressed to the max... then it could be using less wattage than the 430. Also I just checked out the temp of my 430, it's running at 50c with a pretty hefty heatsink/fan on it. I was very surprised (maybe the measuring utility included with unmenu is reading it wrong but most likely not) and I can guarantee that e3300 will be putting off a significantly less amount of heat. Link to comment
ohlwiler Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 I own a C2SEA motherboard. I also own a X7SBE. I think that the X8SIL-F is more comparable to the X7. It uses ECC memory and has integrated IPMI. I think overall the X8SIL-F is a more robust server solution. The C2SEA with an E3200 consumes very little power at idle. (I measured it, but can't put my hands on the figures right now). I would bet the X8 with a 530 consumes about the same or slightly less (~5W). If you want ECC memory and need IPMI then the X8 is very compelling compared to the X7. If you don't need those features, then the C2SEA will save you about $100 for the CPU and Motherboard combo. I think both are fine options. IPMI is the big feature you are gaining. Link to comment
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