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Nevermind delete this I'm a idiot. I forgot I needed to fill in the array slots first then I can select the type of ZFS Pool. I'm too much of a windows guy where in windows you can almost allways screw up things because the make a bunch of selections work. Much like putting the cart in front of the horse.

I'm trying to setup a ZFS data pool and I only get the option for mirror. I use to get the option for raidZ1 or many other options. Why did these options get removed. in 6.12.13? I think I could do this in 6.12.8 or .10

Not sure I can agree to that statement. the reason the drive dropped is very relevant. Because it goes back to what I was talking about. you could be facing hardware compatibly and sata supported chipsets. And like if its dropping and coming back online say in a different interface. like its in sdg and comes back up say in sdi or something to that effect. Then you might be able to get someone to help write a script to force certain serial #'s to always come back in the same interface. I think they try to do this in default already. But for some reason maybe its not able to etc.. But if your seeing issues like this and your looking for a work around so you can do support for yourself/ other customer while your in the Air. To me it sounds like you have something else you might need to work on instead of giving you more time to address some drive issues. I just haven't experienced the kind of case your presenting. The case just feels really odd and seams like you have something else going on. I've done a lot of self hardware testing and building with a lot of strange old parts etc. I feel like what you have described sounds like a Sata Multiplexer interface is used and unraid OS is not bringing the drive back after maybe it went into a sleep mode or something. To me if I saw what you had happen I world be looking at my hardware and looking there and the logs to find something. something I found recently for my self. I've learned that HBA cables and fan noise actually can cause some drive events and smart errors. I've actually had to like do really good cable management recently to fix some of it. As well and replace some HBA cables. ignore all that I'm just talking about me sorry about that.

Yeah those are some good points. strange that your having drives fall offline. I'm guessing you have the power management settings really setup to turn down spin drives and they must not all spin up and run until needed all the time. if that's the case it could be a number of things. Hardware compatibly will be what most people jump to first. My guess is something in power management is not sending a command to put the drive online in way unraid OS is not seeing it to work correctly. Maybe whenit spins back up it changes drive position if so that would make me lean towards sata chipset compatibility issue (so yes hardware) but someone might have a work around for a case like that. But your Idea it sounds pretty good I just think JoanthanM is right I dont see the Dev's interested in adding more functions like this to the main array now with OpenZFS getting more support.

Hmm many options for this. to start might be good to know how much your looking to spend. Also how much storage are you planning for. And do you have the Storage drives already? Me I'm always reusing old parts from server builds at work. So the new hardware I buy is small. I don't suggest getting many spin drives from Ebay. Most there are recycled used ones and have the smart data cleared and re-flashed. Even if it says is new refreshed from factory. (that's a BS all the time) If you want a CPU with GPU for Transcode I suggest to go Intel but you will be limited on Sata ports in most motherboards. In those cases I would suggest adding a Cheap HBA card a LSI 9211 or something would do fine for any Sata Spinner drives. And get the break out cables that are red. not those thin blue or white wires if you go the HBA route. You might find a better deal some where but these with the extra jacket on the cable have less issues with Fan noise effecting crc count errors on drives. I just wish they made these for all the other interfaces. Because unless I get my cables running a certian way fan noise gets my drives to throw CRC errors. so thats another important thing to note. https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-50cm-SFF-8087-4x-SATA/dp/B008KF73CA/ref=sr_1_15?crid=1KLKCVSCBH791&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Xmgx8R_iNahmri2EmOLTly0o9ekHNAKVpeT8_6Ee0YmpUaZeNCyYyzPaHRD1UVfOuH2JW4nmn4eMyfz0mjHzU-RbzxiT_tuSRpIcRp2M16CeR0YCHkokMLUQ09ZlyGrbeZKq2Nu8O4OCeAUrZKefpnbe5v1SBg8UUxveYdm8H6Pk2ozUVMry-SIn77cdk43Jc8ug68HFRJeC2T4GgxKvnOcj2qfY2nULljrR9knMNihIKQEh2_qiRMCSdpUEwJORQT_FBZZuwnr_nG28H16ezw5yoqsjLPqu_x-_NlXkhjs.xNxbsiphUzF1sNAL95Kg3rze1qSiG0HHpEeuf_f0TMI&dib_tag=se&keywords=sff-8087+to+sata&qid=1726336175&s=electronics&sprefix=SFF+8087%2Celectronics%2C142&sr=1-15 a LSI card like this should be fine. https://www.ebay.com/itm/155689357752?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D271354%26meid%3Df4c26ec6e87647b68bfcc69afe0de097%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D294651809984%26itm%3D155689357752%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV2bAndUBSourceDemotionWithUltimatelyBoughtOfCoviewV1%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2332490.c101196.m2219&itmprp=cksum%3A155689357752f4c26ec6e87647b68bfcc69afe0de097|enc%3AAQAJAAABQJh9BGsXvPG03pKg78mUhLLErCJ%2BXOEYDkzTGJ85B4rSRXG6DGHfiL9UFpXuaOk%2FmuXW6x51j8YJMfy7doeYuyk9WZaRPkl%2FLlHN84X3%2FeYgVG3iucUQjkVp9Lf5uEN8ToMZsxMjTVrbSlo43NvMdo8FrAGxTUF6ODBix3HhVfXWBm5osY6yOvvEyxN1ylIosNq0Tm6W%2Fk%2FNi9rDZXnD6eiH5WIl3CjvOA%2BpUa%2BTulBEOyb8DXekb8uYBBJegtdefXmqdV5iJWUCkWROwYkw0%2FCf8b7PS3gtsRu%2FbT7ZK5hMDfCHQworU3LR3iqWGbwQnVjS1FH%2BxzE1CJRJH8GPpayW5UVT%2BU5Neg8S0W5XYdt4MSOFcVvyG1gM65Ud%2Bj%2FwIunNK%2FSA4huZjLsv6nN3tsFt81%2FClZsVB6d2HUndQaL%2F|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2332490&itmmeta=01J7RVQNF50W4G6TWD7JD9WWB4 you can get newer LSI chip sets but your not going to get a lot of drives and cooling in there to benefit from a newer chipset. I think sense you cant use more than a MicroATX board. Your going to not find many intel micro motherboards to have 6 Sata. Your most likely going to need a sata expansion or HBA card. You might find something for AMD. But AMD Transcoding in plex is still new only last 6 or 7 months. I don't think there is much data on the transcoding for me to suggest anything there. As for CPU try to get a CPU with a good base clock speed. Intel 10th gen i5 should work. I haven't see anything yet that actually tells unraid dockers to go past the base clock. I don't see the CPU speed go past that in any of the boxes I made. I wonder today what that means for those new efficiency cores the new tech ideas are great but if the OS doesn't have anything added to use it. Its going to run at the lowest clock rate detected. And that doesn't sound too good to me. I really think unraid for me has run better on AMD. But its required me to add a GPU for transcoding for a perfect world. for that Node 804 case your going to want to avoid that mess. the HBA card will be fine but adding GPU just because of CPU differences its not worth all the cooling challenges your going to have.

Sounds more like a Hot Spare raid concept. The main array is the products name unraid. I don't think a hot spare keeps the intentions of the product label. All though its not a bad Idea. I think if you want that extra data protection. Your better off just adding a second parity. That is if your going to use the main array. If you were going to do a ZFS pool though the new 7.0 might have some feature to what your looking for to a degree. You can setup a hot spare from what I saw in a video. But a ZFS pool is not the main array so very different. But Someone else should comment I'm really that much of a expert. I've just been using and playing with Unraid for a few years now.

I updated 3 weeks ago no issues. just wonder how much longer till 7.0 is in RC status. I'm looking forward to not having the array start and Also the new ZFS options. I hope I can import my existing and add a SLOG to my current zfspool etc...

Seams odd that just started to happen. I was planning on moving everything to a new case with more cooling options. I guess I'm just going to have to make it a little quicker move than I expected. I do have one other option I can do. I've also been trying to move to new hardware again so I might be able to see if the backup server is ready enough to take over.

Server is rebooting on its own I think about every 6 hours or so.

Not sure what is going on I need to some help to see if this is hardware or software. If hardware what is failing. Seams like this just started the last few days. Log attached. neonas3-diagnostics-20240326-1201.zip

Well like I said above a lot of times people will list and say anything. But you don't know for sure unless you check here is where I saw it in the log. Mar 11 11:03:50 NAS kernel: mpt2sas_cm0: LSISAS2008: FWVersion(11.00.00.00), ChipRevision(0x03), BiosVersion(07.00.00.01) I would think the firmware version would say something else. I just dont have a log file with one of these HBA cards to tell for sure. So thats why I suggested you at least check. You ont have to flash it but I would try to follow the steps like you would flash it and check the firmware version. or if the place you got it from added the BIOS to it. you could check before boot and get into the controller. Just don't try to change anything. It might be fine though so not sure. I wish I had a older log file from my older systems to see what mine said.

from your Log post it does look like your HBA controllers are on a older firmware. But If you don't have any issues you might not need to do anything. I would guess that your older setup might have had the power settings in bios set low which was why it could boot up and make all your drives usable. Now in this newer setup. Generally they set things a little more on the higher side especially after you add 1 or 2 cards plugged into the motherboard. But for me when I'm building out systems if I got more than 5 drives I usually use a 650watt min PSU. and I was seeing 7 spin drives plus the small SSD's. That with a new Intel chip with igpu. 500watts was just a little under. might 550watts would be just enough. but it was just a little on the low side to me.

Still not sure what is causing these messages. Diag is above.

500 watts PSU does seam a bit low with that many drives and HBA cards. older 4TB and lower Spin Drives do take some power when I ran 6 4TB WD reds. I made sure my PSU was 650. kind of surprised your dual Xeon box didn't have power issues. unless the CPU's just constantly ran in low power mode. Which can happen if your Bios is not set to turn off C-states and a few other things all depending on what the BIOS lets you do. glad to hear it sounds like your up and running now. I would double check your HBA Firmware to make sure its P20. Sometimes I've gotten a few of those old 9201 cards and I've had to reflash them because who ever sold them didn't do it right or just claimed they did. But your log shows that's good I don't know how to read everything in the logs yet still learning.

Here I'm currently replacing my parity drive. But other than that I just got those weird errors for the i915 and the i2c's neonas3-diagnostics-20240311-1245.zip

I'm not really a 100 percent familiar with the SyncThing Docker. But you do need to setup your docker to see all your shares or what your syncing. I think this should go into the SyncThing Docker support maybe. Its not really General Unraid OS issue.

Yeah I've removed and replaced drives a few times. If you have enough open sata ports or drive connection ports. I would just add the new 20TB to the array and use either plug-in balance to move the files from the 8TB drive to the new 20TB. or add Krusader Docker and move the files manually. Balance Plug in most likely a littler safer but might take as long as swapping one of the 8TB drive out and letting parity rebuild on the 20TB. Christopher in his above post is most likely the easiest. only reason I might not like that way is you end up doing 2 parity checks 1 is rebuilding. then the next one after you redo the array and move the files manually. 20TB parity takes you almost 1.2 days right? my 12TB is 19 hours without my HBA. with my HBA I can get it in 17hours.

I guess I've had this error in my logs for a while too. Not sure how to get rid of it. Mar 10 06:15:09 NEONAS3 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Unexpected DP dual mode adaptor ID 7f Mar 10 06:15:36 NEONAS3 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Unexpected DP dual mode adaptor ID 7f Mar 10 06:37:03 NEONAS3 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Unexpected DP dual mode adaptor ID 7f Mar 10 06:47:14 NEONAS3 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Unexpected DP dual mode adaptor ID 3f Mar 10 07:30:02 NEONAS3 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Unexpected DP dual mode adaptor ID 7f Mar 10 08:11:47 NEONAS3 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Unexpected DP dual mode adaptor ID 7f I dont have a video card installed its just onboard iGPU. And I stopped using a dummy plug to see if this would stop generating the error. I suspect its maybe a video card driver error. Because I have Swapped motherboards a few times and CPU's. But I haven't reloaded just swapped and removed the video card plug-ins a few times and added them back. Anyway I'm almost ready to where I can swap to another server. I just need to figure out a way I can get all my dockers completely duplicated over on my new box. I tried a backup and restore but it didn't like to use appdata backup to restore to a new box. Something about wanting the same server name. I'll most likely have to figure out how I can do it a different way.

not sure what this means but I'm seeing this in my logs every now and then. Not sure what it really means I don't see any issues on my server. But just trying to figure out if this is something I can clean up or what. Mar 6 17:26:39 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: readbytes: ack/nak timeout Mar 6 17:26:39 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: readbytes: ack/nak timeout Mar 6 17:26:39 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: readbytes: ack/nak timeout Mar 6 17:26:39 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: error -110 Mar 6 17:26:40 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: error -110 Mar 6 17:27:26 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: error -110 Mar 6 17:27:26 NEONAS3 kernel: i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: error -110 Is this like NIC card related or something else?

One of my systems I need to upgrade the parity drive and I don't have a open sata slot. Can I just shut down and replace the parity drive and then put in the new one and assign it before array starts? If not I guess i can add one of my HBA's and do what I've see on other threads suggested. I just got some larger drives and only way I think I can use them is to swap out my smaller parity.

If you cant get that working with out display plugged in I suggest just getting a dummy plug. I had to do that for one of my builds that used IPMI and igpu. or you can hit on the motherboard maker to make some sot of BIOS adjustment that works. That would be my suggestion sense you have done most of the work and found that it works with a display plugged in. A dummy plug shouldn't cost you too much I got a 2 pack on amazon for almost 9 dollars.

Totally agree I think its the Catch 22 there. The hardware Dev's don't want to spend time on the open source because not getting paid for it. And the community is limited to what it can see to help them. I think I'm just going to wait till I upgrade again and then use this board and test the Marvel 9172 controller ports in a backup box to test with. So it might be another year I guess.

Interesting board. I'm not familiar with this new OCuLink for the other Sata ports. But that doesn't mean it wont work out fine. As for your CPU I understand saving power is something your trying to achieve. So I'm going to give you a little bit of advice from my experience with the T CPU's. Now sense unraid run's on a linux OS. all your CPU benifits all depend mostly on what the OS Kernel has developed for. So for me even when I ran my older box with a old i7-8700T the base clock speed was 2.4Ghz and could boost to 3.4 or 3.8Ghz. The system never really used the Boosted clock range. So my 8th Gen CPU just ran at 2.4ghz on all cores. So I dont know if T CPU's are that good of a choice. At least if your going to mostly just run it all in dockers. But it might be different if say you were to run things in a VM instead. Maybe like run a windows VM to host Plex or something. Maybe it might be able to use the CPU benefits better and boost the Clock rate in there. But I couldnt say for sure. Because I didnt try that. Instead I focused on upgrading my parts to a higher base clock rate. So if you run with that 13600T I noticed it has 2 different base clock speeds 1.8ghz and 1.3ghz. So depending if the linux kernal has coded for these newer cores and base clock rates. The OS might just take the lowest base clock speed and run all cores at that rate. And 14/20 cores at 1.3ghz seams slow to me. Someone else might correct me though. Also my T CPU I couldn't overclock or do anything to get the base clock rate up. I will guess that you might have the same experience with the 13600T. So yeah saving power sounds good but I would avoid it. I think it would be nice to see if someone else can validate if I'm correct about the Linux Kernel able to add the new benefits of these newer clock rates and cores that intel CPU's are doing. I think you would be better of with the 12600K the lowest base clock on that was 2.8ghz and 10/16 cores. But I also agree with Lolight you dont have to build on server grade parts you can find lots of good quality consumer grade part options and ECC is not really as important as some might say. Put it this way If your going to setup your box to use all your spinners in the main unraid array. You dont want to use ZFS for your format because you basicly will have 3 maybe 4 or 5 Drives all using a raid 0 ZFS. And ZFS format in the main array actually runs like crap. so that leave the Pools to run ZFS where your ECC memory actually might have a little more need. Now if your like me I only use 2 Sata SSD's or NVME's on that and those pool sizes are like 2 or 4TB tops. I don't see the benefit of ECC ram for that small of an array. Because the system at default is only going to put 8gigs at most with a 2TB array. On my test build it only put 4 gigs but my test build only has 48gigs of ram. Another thing ECC ram get really expensive with consumer CPU's. Mostly because they will use UDIMM ECC. and UDIMM ECC is quite a bit more than RDIMM which all the Server Grade CPU's use. Also I noticed ASRock has not even posted 1 EEC grade memory QVL for that board. Which is a little odd but also doesn't mean that much because they don't post much and there is always way more modules that work fine. But the fact they didn't put any ECC up is not very good. I guess it means they didn't get any free samples to post. I love ASrock Rack boards because of the IPMI option. But if you dont need IPMI either. I would really take a look at more options.

Just to let you know I tried something similar to this for about 5 days last week. It actually worked just fine. I use a Qnap TS-1283XU-RP (it the smallest Qnap Work retired.) I used 8 -- 6TB NAS drives in it that. And let the Qnap os make a raid 5 array (I didnt know the QNAP OS very well so that took me a little bit to understand and figure out. And still dont know much about it) But this NAS I had 2 options for the NIC connections 1 gig or 10gig. I used both the 1 Gig NIC's for my first test. Now for the Unraid frontend like I said my test hardware is limited. But I did unraid on a little Dell Mini Optiplex 7060 with a i7 8700T 32Gig's ram. I used a 2TB nvme and 1 Sata 2TB SSD. I used the Mini to run the dockers (Plex, Radarr, Sonarr, SabNZBd, etc) in unraid I did SMB Mounts to the Qnap Data Share. (The Datashare had all my folder shares set to what I needed) Now when it came to the unraid box. I tried 2 ways. First time I just wanted to make it very simple. So I used the NVME and the Sata SSD in the main array and didnt waist time with a cache array. This worked for the most part. But I think long term its expensive and it felt strange to me If I had 2 NVME slots I would have left it alone. But in my case with the 2 interfaces were different. I ended up changing it up. Plus NVME's cost more and I didnt like the downloads doing all those writes and deletes. I ended up splitting it. I created a cache pool with the NVME and then a data array with the SSD. I didnt have parity or a mirror on my cache or array. But what I did do is I used Appdata backup plugin. That did a backup of my dockers and apps running on the NVME to my SSD array. Then made a user script to nightly copy that over to a qnap share and scheduled that. I figured this was good enough because that was where all the data array was. So then the real question some might ask. Well what was the SSD doing besides being a holder for you Appdata backups etc.. And the answer to that is I wanted to use the Sata SSD to be my Temp download area. So like when I SabNZB downloads. it writes and unpacks on the SSD drive. Then when it move's the data It moved into the Big Data array. I like this idea because Sata SSD are much cheaper and easier to replace. The I/O on 1 gig NIC's is perfect for this. And easly not hard to setup the folder paths in the ARR's to do this. The last step it moves the files the Share I'm using for Plex to look at. In the end this actually worked really well. I just prefer to have all my stuff in 1 box. But If I already had a lower end Synology or Qnap box and I just wanted a easier OS to work with to be a frontend for my apps etc.. This worked pretty well. Much better than trying to run those ARR's with plex on a brand name NAS while also being a storage array. I even streamed 1 of my 4k movies just fine. Over all for the 5 days tested. I did about 300gigs in downloads and watched plex with it for 70 something hours. I even had 2 steams going when my coworker watched stuff from my box. Now I mostly just watch 1080p and Internet remotes connections only watch 720p. In the end I could run this way pretty well. I think if your not giving up you synology data array yet. I wouldn't spend a lot making a frontend. I did this with Intel Gen 8 hardware and it ran pretty decent. If your not quite there yet to make a switch to run all into 1 box. I don't think you need to spend that much to make what it looked like you were looking for. But if your looking to expand and do like a game host server with this doing you media needs too. Then yeah your original hardware Ideas might be what you need for a beefy frontend. But if not all your looking for is a better front end. You not need to spend that much. I'll bet you could even find a cheap premade Intel Mini to do this better than my Optiplex 7060 mini. Again my stuff is Gen 8. and you can buy 10th and 13th gen stuff that would run circles around my old gear. I will say I had a fun time attempting and creating this. At least I used my old gear to do something interesting.

Some what true. Linux is open source so sometimes vendors leave it up to the community to help build support or improve on it.