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You are absolutely correct...my bad for not looking hard enough at the connections first. But I think either is good in its own right for unraid connectivity and controlling SATA. Yes?

Can someone use this: IO CREST SI-PEX40138 Internal 4 Port Non-Raid SATA III 6GB/S with M.2 B-Key 22x42 Pci-E X4 Controller Card for Desktop PC Support SSD and HDD with Low Profile Bracket. JMB585 Chipset with this and get 9 ports??? IO CREST Internal 5 Port Non-Raid SATA III 6GB/s M.2 B+M Key Adapter Card for Desktop PC Support SSD and HDD. JMB585 Chipset

I find it interesting that my 3TB Parity being a 6 GB/s Red running OB is just as "fast" as one of my 3TB data 6GB/s Reds running on the bus throttled at 3 GB/s. Not that I planned it this way, but it is interesting to see it proven that a spinning disk has a hard time getting 6Gbps speeds. I guess the only drives that can saturate 6Gbps SATA connections are solid-state disks. Parity: @ 116 MB/sec avg Model family: Western Digital Red User capacity: 3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB] Sector sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical SATA version: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) Disk 7: @ 115 MB/sec avg Model family: Western Digital Red User capacity: 3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB] Sector sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Rotation rate: 5400 rpm SATA version: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)

Can I move disk connections around on the MB and cards without having to rebuild them in the array? I guess I have a few slowpokes. Drive Identification Parity: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 WD-WMC1T2811947 3 TB 116 MB/sec avg Disk 1: WDC WD20EFRX-68AX9N0 WD-WMC301312514 2 TB 118 MB/sec avg Disk 2: WDC WD20EARS-00MVWB0 WD-WMAZA0765543 2 TB 85 MB/sec avg Disk 3: WDC WD2002FAEX-007BA0 WD-WMAY01280042 2 TB 119 MB/sec avg Disk 4: WDC WD20EZRX-00DC0B0 WD-WMC300404285 2 TB 109 MB/sec avg Disk 5: WDC WD20EZRX-00DC0B0 WD-WMC300443717 2 TB 116 MB/sec avg Disk 6: WDC WD20EZRX-00DC0B0 WD-WMC300364081 2 TB 115 MB/sec avg Disk 7: WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0 WD-WCC4NKKP1LR4 3 TB 115 MB/sec avg Disk 8: WDC WD20EZRX-00DC0B0 WD-WMC300473838 2 TB 113 MB/sec avg Disk 9: WDC WD20EZRX-00DC0B0 WD-WMC300180557 2 TB 83 MB/sec avg Disk 10: WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0 WD-WMC4N0E0HX8X 3 TB 119 MB/sec avg Cache: WDC WD1001FALS-00E3A0 WD-WCATR0086107 1 TB 106 MB/sec avg sdd: WDC WD20EZRX-00DC0B0 WD-WMC300365010 2 TB 120 MB/sec avg sdf: WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0 WD-WCC4N4ZT3A2U 3 TB 119 MB/sec avg diskspeed_stopped.html

Sorry for the delay...weekends, kid activities, etc, etc. The server is set up with: M/B: ASRock - B75 Pro3 CPU: Intel® Core™ i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz (5x SATA 3Gb/s & 3x SATA 6Gb/s connections on board) Memory: 4 GB also installed 2x Adaptec 1430SA cards on PCI bus Adapter 1 has 3x 2TB WD Green Data disks Adapter 2 has 2x 3TB WD Red Data disks & 1x 1TB WD Black Cache disk + 1x 3TB WD Red disk (precleared & ready as backup) OnBoard 1x 3TB WD Red Parity 1x 2TB WD Red Data 1x 2TB WD Black Data 3x 2TB WD Green Data 1x 2TB WD Green (precleared and ready as backup) I use 3 SUPERMICRO CSE-M35T-1B 3 x 5.25" to 5 x 3.5" Hot-swap SATA HDD Trays in a tower case configuration. Can I move disk connections around on the MB and cards without having to rebuild them in the array?

Last checked on Thu 01 Feb 2018 11:04:04 AM EST (two days ago), finding 0 errors. Duration: 11 hours, 4 minutes, 3 seconds. Average speed: 75.3 MB/s ...for an array of 1 parity and 10 data disks and 1 cache 1x 3TB WD Red Parity 2x 3TB WD Red Data 1x 2TB WD Red Data 1x 2TB WD Cavier Black Data 6x 2TB WD Cavier Green Data 1x 1TB WD Cavier Black Cache I get some slow write speeds to the array (5MB/s direct write to parity then share, so I am not using the cache to it's fullest extent and mainly using it as a staging drive for docker programs). I want to get a 2nd parity (probably move up to a 6TB Red). If I use 2 parity drives, should they be = in size and how bad will this slow things down?

Thanks everyone. I'll see what I can do about swapping out the older local drive.

I tried the Lite version of the link provided to test file transfer of a 1024MB file from my Win7 pc to the array. Results are attached.

>Do you have a separate gigabit switch or are they plugged into a router with gigabit LAN ports? 2 switches: -Server into a NetGear Prosafe GS116 (Gigabit) -Win7 PC into a NetGear Prosafe GS105 (Gigabit) >If so, what make/model of router? Technically 1 router and 1 Access Point: -Router: Linksys E3200 (gigabit ports) out to Internet -Access Point: Linksys WRT610n (gigabit ports) >Are the server and test PC's plugged into the same gigabit switch? Yes & No, the Win8 is into the GS116 & the Win7 is into the GS105 then into the GS116 "hub". Server is in the basement into the 16port switch where all bedrooms are pulled to central access panel. Win8 pc is wired at a desk direct to the basement. Win7 is at the TV along with the AVR, DishNet receiver, etc...requiring more plugs hence the 5port then to the wall that is direct to the "hub" switch. I could test a direct to basement connect for the Win7 temporarily bypassing the 5port, but that would ONLY be a test as I wouldn't run another pull and ultimately rely on the 5port anyway. >Are all devices negotiated at 1000/full? No on the Win8 due to internal card limitations. Win7, assuming yes according to the ipconfig info as well as the dual lights on the switches. >What type of cables are you using?Pre-made or did you crimp them yourself? Crimped by installer during the low-volt install throughout house at time of build 8 yrs ago. All CAT5e except for minor "jumpers" to the routers/switches which are store-bought CAT6.

yeah...I got the MB / mb down pat based on my previous life. The #3 metric was puzzling and didn't know if the 7 vs 8 winders had issue. I appreciate the net-net at the end...essentially, "quit 'cher whinin'" but I thought I was reading that array with parity may be capable of 80M (big B) speeds internally. My Parity checks will avg. 50-70M(big B) depending...disk 2 is an older EARS that hdparm's at 50-60MB on reads.

Isn't it always about speed...oh, and money. But this time, speed. Version: 5.0-rc12a New build: System: ASRock - B75 Pro3 CPU: Intel® Core i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz - 3.1 GHz Cache: 512 kB, 64 kB, 3072 kB Memory: 4096 Module (max. 32 GB) Network: eth0: 1000Mb/s - Full Duplex Array (mostly on-board 6GB/s SATA plugs) Parity: 3TB Red Cache: 1TB Black Data: 1x2TB Red, 1x2TB Black, 4x2TB Green Trying to squeeze every bit of the speed out of the setup to get fast writes to the array. I've attempted to look and try certain actions based on every Tom, Dick, and Harry's recommendation, but not overly confident on the "why" to do something other than just the simple act of trying it. test PC: Win8 HP AIO on a 100 Mbps hardline Moving 1943818KB file and reporting what Win8 says the speed obtained: Array -> C:\ (WD 1TB Green EARS): 11.4MB/s C:\ -> Cache: 11.4MB/s Cache(AppData share) manually Win8 -> Array: 6.0MB/s C:\ -> Array: 11.4MB/s Cache(AppData share) manually using MC -> Disk 6 (2TB EZRX): 25.5MB/s test PC: Win7 Dell on a 1000 Mbps hardline Moving 1943818KB file and reporting what Win7 says the speed obtained: [*]Array -> C:\ (WD 80GB SE 7200): 33MB/s [*]C:\ -> Cache: 36MB/s [*]Cache(AppData share) manually Win7 -> Array: 26MB/s [*]C:\ -> Array: 34MB/s --- Do y'all think I am maxed out? Hearing/reading about 80's and 90's...is that all because of spin speed avg for my array? Secondly, if anything is done on the array (read, write, browse) the speed of the copy dips dramatically . I am not running Cache-dirs. Thirdly, would a syslog following a reboot help those much higher in the food chain determine if I am "tweaked"?

diggin the SuperMicro's for almost 3yrs now.

SMART test attached from "old" parity drive.

Great idea on a SMART for the Parity. Since the array is puking data bits into external buckets right now, I am not going to spin 'er down, but will surely review her status when I can pull it. Surprisingly enough, my server is my backup of my multiple desktops that are used for those critical circumstances. Doing a backup of the critical data on the server is normally done quarterly, and guess when calendar qtr end is...yep. It all seems to happen all at once. The other data that is on the server are Hollywood hits and some Nashville noise. I guess I'll put in this MB: ASROCK B75 PRO3 with an i3.

Thanks guys. Ok, I'll consider #3 going forward. Frank, I won't have a 2TB that would be stable enough to rebuild the Parity drive once I have satisfactorily backed up the data. I understand the "shoulda got a 3TB" statement, but the 2TB was my "get it up and going" drive that would later live nicely in the array. If I could stand up the 3TB as the "new" parity, then I would not really need the 2 to be a 2....since I am working with the drive size limitation of 4.7 on the recovery phase. I read somewhere that SATA cables are best left unbundled in the case....so no pretty wire-ties?

I need some help corralling my thoughts on what I need to do. A little background...I will have a new MB and i3 CPU on their way soon, that I want to swap in my Helios case that currently is running a C2SEA Supermicro board. The current system is on 4.7 with 4 x 2TB WD Green data drives, a 2TB WD Black Parity drive, and a 1TB WD Black Cache drive. There is about 5TB stored...and I have mediocre drives sitting around that I think will hold the complete backup and be able to push back if decided. Here is the issue. My Parity drive has a red dot so I need to replace it. I have a WD Red 2TB on its way along with a 3TB WD Red. I would also want to upgrade the Unraid version and swap in the new MB. As I am aware, the 3TB can't be used in 4.7... How would you guys do it? Options: 1)Use backups of the stored content and build a "new" server with a 3TB WD Red Parity by swapping hardware in the old case and pushing back data onto newly precleared "old" drives?? or 2)Repair Parity with WD Red 2TB, verify integrity, upgrade Unraid, verify integrity, upgrade MB, verify integrity, upgrade to 3TB WD Red Parity, verify integrity?? or 3)Repair Parity with WD Red 2TB, verify integrity, upgrade MB, verify integrity, upgrade Unraid, verify integrity?? or 4)Repair Parity with WD GREEN 2TB that has minor S.M.A.R.T. issues, but can handle minimal Parity usage......etc, etc... or 5)Other I feel like it is an Apollo 13 mission at NASA and here is your list of parts. Help me keep my server alive. Right now it is running without Parity and dumping content to other external / internal drives using a USB SATA dock in the event I go with Option 1...I hope to have enough reliable space for all of it.

Wanting an upgrade...just not getting perf. from the ol' SUPERMICRO MBD-C2SEA. Can I use this mobo combo pack outta n-egg? BIOSTAR B75MU3+ LGA 1155 Intel B75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard 1x Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 1x CORSAIR XMS 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (already have 2GB on the C2SEA...but not sure if I can use them too) Is this a decent swap into my existing 6 drive runner at 3GB SATA rates? Need to get something more stable than the second-hand C2SEA that has been "ok" for about 2 full years. Waiting on the words of wisdom. oops forgot a few details---there is 1 Adaptec RAID 1220SA and 2 Adaptec RAID 1430S's in an AZZA Helios with a Corsair 650W with IcyDocks...

thanks guys...I truly appreciate your input. I am going with the "new drive" scenario. I am preclearing with -A on a new 2TB EARS. Once complete I will remove the "incorrect" drive. I will insert the new drive into the same slot physically in the server. After that I will bring up the server and it will try to restart, but be lost due to a missing drive. Not sure if it will start automatically, but will then stop it if necessary. I then assign the new drive to the "old" disk designation and let the data reconstruct begin. Will I be able to verify the MBR 4k format prior to the reconstruct? I assume so once I assign it to the slot.

Ok I think I got it...finally. I have a new 2TB EARS on the way. I have 2 x @TB EARS that are not MBR 4k aligned and they are without jumpers running in the array holding huge files. ---first thing is verify parity--- 1) Stop Array 2) Shutdown server 3) Note new serial number and Insert new drive into system 4) Power up server 5) Run preclear_disk.sh -A on the new drive, a few hours later if all is good then 6) stop array 7) shut down server and remove 1 of the existing 2TB drives replace with newly precleared drive 9) reboot server 10) stop array (if it restarted) 11) assign new drive to the disk position removed using new serial number as guide (should say it was missing) 12) start array and format to MBR 4k aligned default 13) recover from parity (unRAID should ask for confirmation) 14) run preclear_disk.sh -A on "old" drive to clear off old MBR (I think this is all I have to do is run this script to fix) 15) repeat steps 6-14 16) add last drive to pool following preclear_disk.sh -A Maybe...please tell me what I missed? Thanks

sorry, just edited my post above...only the 2x 2TBs are unaligned. I use those drives most, so a speed gain would be nice, I guess...what is the activity needed with 4.7...which is installed, but they were preloaded prior to the upgrade.

ver. 4.7 Final. I have 2 x 2TB EARS and 3 x 1TB EARS ....all data drives. All have data, but without jumpers. read fine, fast enough I guess?!? The 1TB drives are MBR 4k aligned, but the 2x 2TB drives are MBR unaligned. Should they be? Since they are working, do I gain anything? And for what I gain is it worth the rebuild? If no jumpers are needed anymore, is it as easy as pulling disk1, preclear -A, drop it back in as disk1, reformat...is there a rebuild from parity in there somewhere?

I just had 4.7 Beta 1 lock on bootup at Starting sysklogd daemons -m0 I am attempting upgrade to 4.7 Final to see if it "fixes" it. Odd that it just stopped booting up. EDIT-- Nope, 4.7 Final did not help..not sure how it would. I have only a home network so is it still a WINS issue? EDIT 2 -- Yep, corrupted file ident.cfg and I took out my password. never did a bad shutdown, but I know what to look for. Sorry for sounding my alarm....terribly sorry.

Yes on heat sink + fan with compund. All came in the new CPU kit. Yes on the memory. 2 days mem test...pre-clean for 10 cycles apiece for each drive...no errors on either. Just to reiterate, changing other settings have allowed the machine to now run for 24 straight hours. I have seen a steady 28MB/sec on my home LAN. Multiple machines are writing to it now with shared access of about 8MB/sec pushes. The machine is in the basement. Ambient temp is 66F and the current writes are only producing 23C to 27C on the active drive via unMENU. AZZA case has bottom, back, top, and side fans with a fan on the CPU, and 1 fan per drive backplane cage (there are 3 of those). I think 8 fans in this thing is enough...and I feel them pushing and pulling where expected. I have small paper strips on my SATA cables and are able to see them blow around. I know I have airflow. Just looking for settings that are known to work...to compare to. I just want to know I am tweaked and not screwed up on something...like hooking up a UPS. Does anyone have a C2-SEA that is working in 4.7 Beta 1 that can grab some values for me to verify?

Sorry....post in wrong forum...reposted in Motherboards for possibly more assistance.

Does anyone have the proper settings for the BIOS/CMOS on a Supermicro C2-SEA board? I am running a Celerron 3300 Dual Core, 4GB RAM, and 2 Adaptec SATA cards 1430SAs plus one 1220SA. It is pretty much using recommended parts from the lists. ver. 4.7 Beta 1 Pro The problem I have is the board shutting down after about 1 hour turning off net access, monitor access at the terminal, and USB keyboard/mouse too. In order to get the box to stay up long enough to run pre-cleans and even copy in large files, I disabled so many things in the BIOS that I bet I screwed up performance and possibly the ability for my soon-to-purchase UPS to not be able to control the board. Note that the changes I made did allow the box to stay available all night, so I am not "critical", but would appreciate some tweaking assistance. I may have missed it, but I would think that if the board was used in a few mass-quantity builds that there may accidentally be a nice map of proper settings that I could use. I just completed the build and put in 2 x 2TB EARS (no jumpers) and started my copies from elsewhere and ran into the problem while building the Movies share copying about 1TB using TeraCopy. Since I did my big muddy footprints in the BIOS, I completed the task and even have the 1st pass complete on pre-cleans for a 2TB Black (parity), as 1 TB Black (cache) and another 1TB EARS (more data)... yet to be assigned. Please help. There are so many settings that could do this, and that can affect perf. that I could be here a month and not know if I did harm or good. Here's the last kicker...no log files were created, to the system nothing seemed wrong...but I can track each reboot manually triggered, but nothing wrong prior, the board just seemed to go to sleep. Regards, Chris