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I'll finish it and post a template on my repository until the end of the week, ok? I'll keep you posted. G'Day! @gfjardim - did you ever get chance to post a template for Hamachi?

Just me abreviating Gary. Didn't want to write garycase.

Yep. I can't say "I agree with Gaz .." Because (while I do), well really, he helped me form the opinion. However, the above setup was selected as a backup server for me. (Which as you can see from above is complete). To be updated, but see my Project thread which shows a build of my replacement Main Server (not yet finished) which is an E12xx build for doing similar to what you mention. http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=37567.0

Yep disk 1 was the warmest and what you mention is correct. Fan speeds (the Stock ones) were being reported in the BMI interface running at 1000 RPM. Sorry fellas - there was allot off text. I admit difficult to spot. In summary yes - I setup and run the test on the rig with all filters attached. In short - skirt aside (to manage the airflow) and the subsequent addition of the NF-12's (which as me and Gaz mention was probably an addition that wasn't really required for the sake of an extra 2C) I didn't fiddle with the default configuration of any component.

Hi Guys, To close off my part of this testing story, the other day I completed a Parity Sync with the new Noctua Fans installed as well as the custom skirt. Here are the results. Disk 1: Start Temperature: 26C, Finish Temperature: 34C, Peak Temperature**: 34C Disk 2: Start Temperature: 27C, Finish Temperature: 31C, Peak Temperature**: 33C Disk 3: Start Temperature: 25C, Finish Temperature: 30C, Peak Temperature**: 32C Motherboard Temperature: 37C CPU Temperature: 36C ** Note that for the peak temperature for this run I checked the temperature exactly half way through (so it might not be the true peak) - best I could do without watching it for hours and hours. To add to the conclusion I stated above - air flow is still the key here. The stock fans did a great job and as I mentioned I was happy and the temperatures were excellent. The Noctua NF-F12's have shaved ~2 degrees off what I recorded before with the stock fans which is always nice. However in my opinion I don't feel ~2 degrees is worth AUD $30 each I paid for them - AUD $90 for 2 degrees, if I hadn't already bought them before I had done the earlier test I wouldn't have done so again!

I guess this thread could be deleted. Just looked (and accidentally responded to - as didn't realise it was a 2014 one) to a Poll I didn't know was going on which indicates this docker is being developed and is a work in progress. Don't know by whom but according to NAS' poll it is!

Will do. The Fans are arriving tomorrow. Given I am running a long S.M.A.R.T test as Weebo advised when thats done Ill install the fans so when I run a Parity check Ill have them in the case and then Ill post the results.

Hi All, As I have mentioned in previous posts in this part of he forum, I have not yet installed v6 but I am looking at how I will set things up around it and through it. I use Logmein Hamachi to help me provide support to my friends and family etc. I thought about putting the plugin on v5 but couldn't get it to work and wasn't really into giving to much time to it so I gave up. I just came across this: https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/gfjardim/hamachi/ Has anyone used it or does anyone know if Unraid has all this needs to run enabled? Ta Daniel

Well, I have just finished a preclear of my 8TB drives with the Custom Skirt in place. As a means of bringing my test together I have summarised. ASRock C2550D4I Mini ITX Motherboard Kingston 4GB (1x4GB), PC-12800 (1600MHz) ECC Unbuffered DDR3L, ValueRAM, CL11, 1.35V, Single Stick Silverstone ST45SF-G 450W SFX Form Factor Power Supply - ST45SF-G 3 x Seagate 8TB Archive HDD, SATA III, 5900RPM, 128MB (in top 3 bays). Configuration: There is nothing but trays in the remaining bays and case is running stock fans in default configuration (as attached) with all filters attached as designed. Location: My desktop next to a window which gets some sun throughout the day so some UV exposure BUT the ambient temperature outside over the test has not exceeded 29C. For 8 hours per day (night time) I have had the heating in the house set to 27C. 2 Preclear runs with a time of: ~58 Hours (give or take 40 minutes over the 3 drives) Run 1: Without Custom Skirt: Disk 1: Start Temperature: 42C, Finish Temperature: 41C, Peak Temperature*: 44C Disk 2: Start Temperature: 39C, Finish Temperature: 39C, Peak Temperature*: 41C Disk 3: Start Temperature: 37C, Finish Temperature: 36C, Peak Temperature*: 40C Motherboard Temperature: 35C CPU Temperature: 35C *Note: Peak temperature for Run 1 was captured from S.M.A.R.T reports at end of the run as I knew these were the highest temperatures these new disks had experienced. Run 2: With Custom Skirt: Disk 1: Start Temperature: 31C, Finish Temperature: 35C, Peak Temperature**: 36C Disk 2: Start Temperature: 30C, Finish Temperature: 33C, Peak Temperature**: 34C Disk 3: Start Temperature: 29C, Finish Temperature: 32C, Peak Temperature**: 33C Motherboard Temperature: 39C CPU Temperature: 38C **Note: Peak temperature for Run 2 was captured through observations recorded at 6 Hour Intervals as I knew I wouldn't be able to rely on S.M.A.R.T reports. I am still going to put the Noctua NF-F12 fans in there. As Gary mentioned before: a 1500rpm unit like this would "likely" provide about 25% more airflow than the stock fans => and a high quality unit like the Noctua NF-F12 will run at 1500rpm with the same 22dba noise level the stock fans have at 1200rpm. And I am more than happy with the noise level of the case which is pretty much silent to my ears (and that is with it sat next to me on my desktop - not lower down on a shelf near the floor where it will be when I'm done). To conclude, I love this case. If I had to go back and make the decision to buy it again I would without hesitation. I would have lived with the temperatures noted in Run 1 but the addition of the custom skirt has made them much more acceptable. I feel the addition of more drives (though to capacity) will not materially impact the overall temperature of the case and that (barring the 1 or 2 drives) won't impact temperatures more than 1C or 2C more. With the addition of the Noctua fans mentioned above I think Ill shave another 2C off the temperatures reported in Run 2. Based on this test I will not be "Modding" the drive cage or the case further with additional holes. I feel that adding additional holes does not guarantee better results and it has even been mentioned to me that this "could" have a negative impact on the temperatures (although this is so far unsubstantiated at the time of this post). Im also not going to replace the Cardboard skirt with an Aluminium one because I don't feel there is a need. I feel Silverstone have done a good job with this case and with a little airflow control the temperatures are great for such a nice SFF case. I hope this is helpful. If anyone wants any more details or information that I have not recorded please let me know.

If you need anything from me - eg measurements etc just let me know and I'll provide.

Gaz, that's funny 'AS' - 15 mins ago I just ordered 3 of them!!! I felt, as you mention, that the exisiting holes in the cage are adequate enough with my custom skirt. http://cplonline.com.au/index.php/noctua-nf-f12-pwm-120mm-1500rpm-pwm-fan.html

UPDATE!: As some of you may know following my other thread about the Seagate 8TB HDD's I have recently purchased (and as I mention in this thread earlier) I have been pre clearing like a maniac for the last 5 days with three disks in in the DS380 and as such testing the cooling capabilities of the case. I reported above that I was experiencing temps for disk1, disk2, disk3 of: 37C, 40C, 35C. After about 50 Hours of continued use in a pre clear those temperatures rose by a degree or s (worst case) and were sustained. While I agree with Garaycase that if I can sustain those temperatures I am well within Manufacturers Operating Temperature Spec's I thought - can I improve them - at very least give me headroom for increased temperatures due to additional disks in the future. For the purpose of this thread (ONLY) I was fortunate enough to have a Power Cut mid pre clear cycle 2 so I had to restart. So for redoing cycle 2 I only run 1 cycle so I could have a look at the reports and not wait for 3 cycles to finish. Anyway .... last night when cycle 2 finished I decided to explore a mod to the case (sort of) that came to me. I was thinking at work - how do I ensure the air from those fans goes over the drives??? STEP 1: I am looking at putting an aluminium plate between the fans and the motherboard and STEP 2: drilling holes in the drive cage on either side. The idea is to restrict air going into the main part of the case and just being evacuated and "forcing" it over the drives as well as increasing the exposure of the drive to the air by creating a little compartment of sorts where the fans are installed so the air can ONLY go over the drives. I completed a prototype of STEP 1 last night using cardboard from the side flap of the cases' box cut exactly the size of the gap between the cage and the edge of the fans sitting just on top of the small gap between the motherboard and the drive cage. If you can picture it the drive cage itself sits on the cut out thus applying a bit of pressure between the cage and the side of the case and thus keeping it in place (for now as its just a prototype). Tools for this little Prototype: From the Top of the fans: From the Middle of the fans From the bottom of the fans: *Sorry the pictures are so poor - due to case design this is the best I could get from in or out - but as you can see the cut out goes from the top to the bottom of the case creating a sealed compartment where the fans are from the rest of the case pushing air over the drives and then over the board and CPU and then out the back* The ambient temperature with all disks spinning after half an hour was 27C which I am happy with. To give me a real world example I cranked the heating in the house to 27C to make it as warm outside as inside the case and I started a third pre clear. I checked for 10 mins that things weren't going to increase to an ridiculous temperature and when satisfied that my concept was at least not going to do a destructive job on the drives, I went to bed. This morning, I am pleasantly surprised: Preclear is reporting (after 7 hours of continuous use) disk1, disk2, disk3 of 37C, 36C, 34C (Also noteworthy IPMI reports that the Motherboard and CPU temperatures are 39C, 38C). At very least I seem to have been able to "improve" the airflow and not make it worse. In addition keeping the temperatures under 40 is nice! :-). I don't know if things will improve if I switch from cardboard to Aluminium? I am also wondering if I need to bother with drilling the holes. Anyway, lets see how they stand after the full 50 hour cycle 3 pre clear is done. Will update.

Perhaps. Remember to post your mods when you are done. Just in Case! Anything's possible, but I really doubt that you'll have any significant problem with temps. The Lian-Li PC-Q25B has similar airflow, and the temps with 3 drives vs. the temps with 7 drives when I fully populated the case were not appreciably different (perhaps 1 degree higher on the upper drives). I think you are right. As I noted in the other thread about the Seagates - I am also thinking that the high temp experienced on the 2nd drive is due to it being a bad drive. It is now running at 42C and the others 39 and under after a whole day of operation - BUT what makes me think it is bad is that it has dropped behind disk 3 in the % complete even though it was started a few mins earlier. I don't think it should have. Time will tell.

Perhaps. Remember to post your mods when you are done. Just in Case!

I think you are right. They are all sat at 99% now for Cycle 1 of 3 pre read and they are at: Disk 1 (Top Bay) is reporting - 38 C - Preclear Running Time: 19hrs 41 mins Disk 2 (Second Bay) is reporting - 40 C - Preclear Running Time: 18 hrs 32 mins Disk 3 (Third Bay) is reporting 35 C - Preclear Running Time: 18 hrs 27 mins I think they are working out MAX now and I doubt the rest of the preclear script is going to increase the workload considerably. Time will tell over the next 3 days and I will post updates BUT I think the fan config is more than fine and I don't intend to tweak. Interesting that the middle bay of the top 3 bays has a higher temp than the others. I don't know what is causing that - maybe the drive itself - maybe the case design - maybe combination of all that plus components - who knows. As you mentioned in your earlier post I half expected the top one to be the hottest. Whatever way I think I am happy. This is a great case. P.S. I feel I am going to have to just keep an eye on things as I add more drives though - but thats nothing new.

UPDATE: Currently ALL disks are in cycle 1 of 3 preclear cycles (Currently in Pre Read). Disk 1 (Top Bay) is reporting - 37 C - Preclear Running Time: 14hrs 21 mins Disk 2 (Second Bay) is reporting - 40 C - Preclear Running Time: 13 hrs 12 mins Disk 3 (Third Bay) is reporting 34 C - Preclear Running Time: 13 hrs 7 mins It was a relativley cool night. In fact I went to bed a bit cold. When I went to bed Disk 1 was at 39 C, Disk 2 was at 41 C and Disk 3 was at 36 C I am quite surprised to see the temps are lower this morning. Given it is warmer and the sun is on the box too this morning - it was dark last night. A little concerned about drive 2 given what I saw before bed. I don't like to see my drives go over 40 C. Even on a preclear. But seems ok now.

Having my first test of the airflow in this case. Running in the config as per my little diagram in previous post 2 side fans intake and rear one extracting! Fan speeds are stock based on default config - IPMI reports 1000 RPM. Whats in the box: ASRock C2550D4I Mini ITX Motherboard Kingston 4GB (1x4GB), PC-12800 (1600MHz) ECC Unbuffered DDR3L, ValueRAM, CL11, 1.35V, Single Stick Silverstone ST45SF-G 450W SFX Form Factor Power Supply - ST45SF-G 3 x Seagate 8TB Archive HDD, SATA III, 5900RPM, 128MB (in top 3 bays). There is nothing but trays in the remaining bays. Currently ALL disks are in cycle 1 of 3 preclear cycles (Currently in Pre Read). Disk 1 (Top Bay) is reporting - 37 C - Preclear Running Time: 1hr 40 Disk 2 (Second Bay) is reporting - 37 C - Preclear Running Time: 28 mins Disk 3 (Third Bay) is reporting 32 C - Preclear Running Time: 23 mins Currently the case has all vents and filters on and as the manufacturer intended. Lets see what happens!

Really? All as Exhaust! For me the two intake fans drawing cool air in (next to the drives) and then the exhaust fan (near the cpu) drawing air out pulls all ambient room temp air in over the drives and then over the cpu and then out the rear! Seems very optimal to me! Obviously this is without your experience but I am wondering why the issues you are noting exist!? P.S. I put a little drawing (sorry - it is quick and dirty) together to indicate what I mean!

Do you already have the q25 and are wanting this case? What about a q26? No - I had ordered the Q25 but they keep pushing it back 4 weeks month on month. For whatever reason it is just not becomming available. I cant find the Q26 either Thanks for the update on the cooling. I am looking to fill the sucker eventually with 8 x 8TB drives (4 to start with) and 2 x SSD's. Wierd - the cooling system looks allot like the Q25 and the ratings for the Q25 from a cooling perspective has always been excellent. Need to think before I pull the trigger! Thanks for the quick reply man!

Resurrecting this thread. In my backup server project (which is currently in bits on my test bench) I think I switching to this case from the Lian-Li PCQ25B. My supplier just cant get the Lian Li Case and has suggested this Silverstone box. They have it in stock - given the comments in this thread I think Ill go with it! Unless others have had any issues with it since this thread was last used?

I don't know the entire procedure for copy verify in one step but I think the procedure to verify is to get rsync to do a simulated sync and display the difference in files it has found: rsync -nrcv /path/to/sourcefolder /path/to/destinationfolder The output from this is a list of files in the source folder that are different.

I am just blown away by this sentence. This is just how I feel. LOL - and until now I wasn't sure I did! It has just cemented my plan for a backup server! I don't have the money to keep it off site like I would like but baring some act of god or some idiot with a grudge against my country I'll feel safe!