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I've waited around an hour and not seen it change.....I can also physically hear my drive spin up/down and they're set to spin down after 2 hours of inactivity. I've also used the commands on the array page to spin up and down the array. I'll check the new update to see if it fixes it. Also not sure why standby LED needs to be cached, can't it just pull the data like the array panel on the dashboard does, that's pretty much real time for each drive.

Yes, I had this issue, had to uninstall the plugin and then reinstall it to get the latest update.... yes not ideal so make sure you backup your layout etc before doing it just in case it doesn't come back when you reinstall it, mine did. Now I've got the 'bug' again where the dot/square icons on the dashboard don't correlate with the status of the drives. Normally they would be green when the drive is spun up and black when they're not spun up.... it's not working with nvme, sata ssd or hard drives. I know it's not working because I can see what the drives are doing on the array panel of the dashboard. Last time this was fixed with using a backup and multiple 'refreshes' but this time it's just not working, this was about 2 weeks ago. I am not using the developer edition which I'd expect to be buggy, I'm using the 'stable' build (2025.02.16) and if I read the notes correctly this bug looks like it should have been fixed with commit #381 .... I have tried resetting configuration.

My upgrade was a little 'eventful' but I seem to have got it all working again now... Upgraded from latest 6.x version to 7 and jellyfin started having issues with transcoding, it was working fine before hand... roll back and the same issue with transcoding popped up... Only really wanted to move over because my dedicated jellyfin/tailscale setup stopped working for some reason and this would make life easier... seriously easy to set up this time. So said screw it, I'll just do a clean install of unraid 7, now enjoying the pleasure of fixing jellyfin metadata again due to it not 'transferring over' from my backups, I really wish there was a simple 'backup and restore' feature in jellyfin rather than relying on unraid backups or copying stuff like the jellyfin instructions (this is the bit that failed!). The power mode options seem backwards on my system (i5 13500) for some reason, not sure why but I use more power (according to nut and my ups) when in power save than when I'm in performance lol. Leaving it in performance matches my old power draw give or take. With the updated dashboard I really wish I could have a 4th column on my 4K display. I have to scroll vertically even though I have space on the sides, changing to full width doesn't really change vertical requirements for me either. Performance seems a little slower to me but I'm putting that down to stuff going on in the background.

If I take my order numbers as literal number of purchases it's gone up 30,000 give or take on the order numbers in roughly the last 3 months. I did notice that in my case I had 2 'order numbers' generated for my first purchase when I assigned it to a drive so it's possible that the number is half that... even if assume lowest tier of $59 multiplied by 15000 that's over $800k (potentially higher).... not saying it's accurate, plus we're making assumptions on the orders but if that's even remotely close they've got that initial cash influx many of us have said about... the question now is will they actually get anymore from the new model and I'm not sure the sums will add up in future. I've bought 2 more licences at the current price, one basic (just in case I do a mini server with left over bits) and one more pro for a backup server of my main server (plan is to basically clone current one). I'm not going to buy anymore at the higher prices....

Well truenas have courted businesses more than unraid have and built a business model that allows free for home users and paid/supported versions for business, they also have a merch store and oem servers..... basically a more rounded approach to income. I'm not saying that unraid needs to be free either, just that the new pricing makes it a lot harder justifying unraid over other highly regarded options.

I'm pretty close to being that 'new user', I have not been using unraid long and I said this in the original thread. Unraid, well home server/nas software is a very niche market so cost is relevant imo, £100 (what price converted to) was basically the sweet spot price where it wouldn't matter if I stopped using it. At the new prices I would not have likely waited a little longer to get some more drives (they're all same size so the mixed sizes don't matter) and just went with truenas.... free is very attractive when people are reusing old hardware, quite common with unraid (I'm not but still), and there is often a limit people are prepared to pay for an OS these days, look how MS allowed 'free updates' for the last couple of versions of windows etc, yes bigger company but also more well known. Throw in the mix that there is a potential competitor coming in from a youtuber with 15million or so users.... edit: I am also seeing posts on other sites where people are literally going, new and old users, going should I buy unraid now even if I don't intend to user it until later.....most responses are yes get it now.

There are other ways to make money than just trying to sell the core product and/or subscriptions.... feature or service add ons which are not part of the standard product, branded merch, linking with an oem/company and making some actual nas/servers like truenas have done (that one on kickstarter was pretty popular after all), trying to court the small/medium/enterprize size business market with features which they can sell such as ongoing tech support or similar (they've kind of dipped into this), selling pre config setups for common use case scenarios for those that are less tech savvy. (to be fair they could also make a slightly more user friendly front end for first time config in general imo). Hell there's basically a store in unraid now, they could allow devs to sell their products and take a cut from them when they're purchased etc, benefits the ecosystem and the devs..... What they've done here has the potential to actually lower their current income because less people will buy it etc because it looks too expensive compared to some highly regarded alternatives.

That is quite a substantial jump in price... it's basically doubled in a best case scenario and for all intense purposes it makes, imo, no real financial sense to buy anything but the lifetime license if you intend to use a server for more than 5 years....pretty common for a home server I would have thought..... which kind of makes me think you should have just increased all the prices instead of going down the yearly payment approach on lower tiers. I wasn't sure about the changes being a good idea before but I'm even more sure it's not a great proposition compared with other options now - I would not pick unraid at these new prices, so I'm lucky to be grandfathered in. I will likely jump on another copy now for a second server, bet I won't be the only one doing that or grabbing the upgrade now - so part of the 'quick influx of cash' before the change which might end up bringing in less long term. I hope I'm wrong because the long term health of unraid is dependent on enticing new users but hmm.... Don't like the bit about security updates being the active minor release, and only for 1 minor release (it stops at x.x.0 of the second minor release), not to mention there's no mention of 'bug fixes' that may need a whole new minor release to fully fix them either... no actual timeline for release updates means a minor release could be months or years etc as well, I'd rather have a defined amount of time here, bit like android updates. I also thought we were supposed to be getting an email about this change as a heads up, I haven't had one.... I still think this is fundamentally a subscription model on the lower tiers, it's not a subscription for the software, it's a subscription to stay bug free and secure and I HATE subscriptions and things that act the same way. You can disagree or try and say otherwise but it won't change my opinion on this now I've see all the info that's been put out.

Not at the minute, I'm still getting it all set up how I want it, but the plan for my own usage will be likely via some sort of vpn (my router does natively support it etc). I'm not exactly rushing along with it at the moment due to limited time to set it up. The thing is that link has point #6 about keeping the OS up to date....this kind of goes back to one of the points some of us are making regarding the necessity to pay yearly if you want security updates.

To be fair it's slightly different being locked out of video editor update versus locked out of a server OS update because you haven't paid for the 'yearly update fee'. IF the video editor doesn't work you'll lose some time or it will crash etc but if a server OS is left in a bad way due to a poor update or the update to fix a major security issue comes outside of your renewal date you have no recourse but to pay for the update to keep your data safe (assuming open to internet etc and that you have to keep using it in the exact same fashion). If it's not open to the internet then of course you could go vlans and block external access etc. Essentially it's all boiling down to semantics at this moment in time, I and many others will call the need to pay yearly to continue getting even the most basic things such as security updates a subscription, others will call it a maintenance fee or as Topaz calls it it's an 'upgrade license'. However, like I said before, it doesn't matter what the name is, unraid is changing to a model where you need to pay on a regular basis to ensure you are 100% secure, if it was purely feature updates then I would say it is closer to the update license term that Topaz is using but at the moment unraids is also includes security/bug fixes..... And while yes you could skip a few updates here and there if you want to but no one really recommends running an OS with out of date security/bug fixes these days do they.... it's not like unraid has been bug free or had no issues with excessive writes to drives or anything.

Whether we use the term subscription, maintenance fee, support fee, held hostage or whatever you choose to call it, it is an ongoing cost to keep the os secure and up to date.... if I need to keep paying for something that is basically a subscription in my eyes. (I want a different scream this time 😜) I'd be fine with it be a subscription to get feature updates, or even a more modular approach where you can add 'extras' (not sure what exactly, or how much extra), but this doesn't just block you from getting features, it stops you from getting updates for security of the OS and we all know how fun it was for some nas owners who got hit by ransomware attacks...

Not exactly the first post I thought I would make but figured I might as well chime in here as a new user of unraid, partly for feedback to Limetech and maybe give the perspective of a new users considering making a server/nas for home use. I'll be blunt... I HATE subscription models for software with a passion and while I appreciate that Limetech needs money I'm not sure that subscriptions on the lowest tiers are really the best way to go about it. I actively sought out alternatives when adobe went that way for example... I do appreciate the fact that Limetch are going to honour existing licences though and not stop us using the software after the subscription has been stopped. I decided to buy Unraid Pro when I built my server because I knew what my potential long term plans (basically file backups, media server, maybe vms) are for it. However I built my server with potentially using truenas or even windows if I didn't like unraid after the trial. There's also the LTT invested NAS software coming at some point....he's not exactly an unknown Youtuber.... I did my homework and from the most simplistic stand point (I'm sure there is other deeper stuff different) there were literally only 2 real reasons why I picked unraid. One was for the way that the storage pools can be expanded drive by drive (even though they'll all be the same size), essentially a cost consideration so I could spread the storage costs a little more and the other was the fact that only the active drive would spin up, essentially power usage and hard drive wear considerations. Every other thing I was considering doing I can basically do on a normal linux distro, truenas or even windows, maybe with a little more learning curve but lets be honest most people building a home server are a bit more tech minded. For me £110 (after conversion to UK currency) for unlimited drives is kind of the sweet spot of being a 'no big loss if I don't like it long term' and being too expensive to even consider it when there are highly regarded free alternatives albeit with a slightly different approach, or even windows for around the same (yes I know not the ideal OS but it would work for my use case). Now in respect to the new pricing model... It's all very well saying that the new prices for the 'lower tiers' will be cheaper but long term they likely won't be when you throw in the average lifespan of a home server, yes I know this is part of the reason for the change but I am coming from a customer perspective. I'd argue that a fair number of users with 2-4 drives are likely more budget minded in their servers as well as their software. Higher price for the unlocked option, it really does depend on pricing but I'd say you need to be careful not to put people off due to the price. I do not like the wording relating to buying now at current prices and upgrade later but there's not a guarantee on upgrade pricing (I'm guessing it would be the difference to the full cost of the new 'pro version') so if we buy a lower tier key and then upgrade it could ultimately cost us more than just buying pro now. Little side note: I'm also looking at building a second server to back up my main one.... I might end up buying another license now, like many others, and get grandfathered in when it's built. There's a side of me that can see Limetch getting a quick influx of cash in one go and then actually getting less long term due to the changes being proposed....