kizer Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I currently have my unRAID setup with all my videos with NFO's stored on it so XMBC can scrape and store all of its thumbnails and nfos into its database from any machine in the house. I'm currently looking at maybe picking up something like the WD Live Plus for my office so I can use a little device and watch it on my LCD TV without dedicating another PC for watching. Does the WD Live Plus simply use a file view or can it scrape the info from what I already have sitting on my unRAID machine or does it use something else in its own format? I keep seeing PopCorn Hour mentioned here and there and I'm wondering what format it uses too. I guess in short I'm trying to keep it simple without having to re-scrape all my videos to adjust to another system if I don't have to, but at the same time I'd like to free up a PC and not have to run XBMC on a computer. Anybody have any suggestions or does every system work simply different. Quote Link to comment
steini84 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I would get the apple tv 2. 99 dollars and you can install xbmc to that (Can only play 1080 as 720 for now) Quote Link to comment
bkasten Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I don't have the WD Live TV Plus, but I do have the WD Live TV. I believe they work the same. All the device does is browse the file servers you present it. It can do simple thumbnails, or as I use it, in file list mode. If you are looking for simplistic operation, then I can recommend WD Live TV. It will play a wide range of formats, and is very basic. I believe the "Plus" is the added feature of Netflix. For me, all I want is a simplistic access to my videos (and music), and this is it. It can do other small functions, but I have never cared for any. It has a small, easy to fit in the hand remote, and it works browsing my unRAID and plays the videos. The device itself is small, and takes very little room on my TV stand. It is also selling these days for about $92.00 or so. Hope this helps. Bruce Quote Link to comment
Paak Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 They just came out with a way to do unteathered boots with the Apple TV 2gen so it's something to look in to. I haven't tried it yet since I picked up my Zotac. Quote Link to comment
kizer Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 I totally forgot about the Apple2. It can run XBMC and it would scrape my already XMBC friendly files setup just for it. I just need to see if it Transcodes on the fly or if XBMC just plays. I've always ignored Apple until my wife brought home an iPad and now I'm very intriqued with some of their products. I was personally looking at the WD Live Plus because I know it can run files in a simple way and/or you can customize it, but I wasn't sure if it would have to rescrape all my files in another way for it to use. Quote Link to comment
kingpin Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 the only drawback i see with the ATV2 is that it only handles 720p, it will not play 1080 files. While this might not be a huge drawback if it is going in the kids room, when being played on a 120" screen i would like the best possible resolution available. other than that, i believe that for the price i like either the ATV2 or the WD TV Live series. just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment
kizer Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Its going to be played on a little 26" LCD when I'm tinkering in my office. Gives me something to gaze off into when the wife kicks me out and shes watching CSI, Castle or whatever in the living room on the 58". Quote Link to comment
dan4081 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 the only drawback i see with the ATV2 is that it only handles 720p, it will not play 1080 files. While this might not be a huge drawback if it is going in the kids room, when being played on a 120" screen i would like the best possible resolution available. other than that, i believe that for the price i like either the ATV2 or the WD TV Live series. just my 2 cents Not true. It will play 1080 files just fine. It only outputs all files at 720p. Quote Link to comment
kingpin Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 okay, that may be true, but is there really a difference? that is like saying your car will do 200mph but is governed at 120mph. it can still only go as fast as the current equipment and limitations will allow it to go. until there is a way to lift the restrictions off of the ATV2 to play 1080 files (which from what i have read there is not... yet) it is the same thing. for the cost though i think it is a wonderful companion to anything under the 55" screen category. playing on a 26" screen would be perfect though. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Not true. It will play 1080 files just fine. It only outputs all files at 720p. Now this is what I understand, so it might not be completely accurate. The playing of 1080p files is only true for a JailBreaked ATV2 running XBMC to play the file, without JailBreaking+XBMC the ATV2 will only play 720p content. Quote Link to comment
gfjardim Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Not true. It will play 1080 files just fine. It only outputs all files at 720p. Now this is what I understand, so it might not be completely accurate. The playing of 1080p files is only true for a JailBreaked ATV2 running XBMC to play the file, without JailBreaking+XBMC the ATV2 will only play 720p content. The HDMI output of ATV2 is locked in 720p resolution, the hardware is capable of decoding H264@1080p, but the output will be downsized to 720p. Quote Link to comment
kizer Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yep even the XMBC guys say its locked at 720p due to the equipment not their code. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yes, I should have also indicated I know the hardware is only capable of 720p output. As for the handling of 1080p content, the hardware is capable provided the proper software. If someone does not have it JailBreaked+XBMC it won't play 1080p files. Quote Link to comment
dan4081 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 okay, that may be true, but is there really a difference? that is like saying your car will do 200mph but is governed at 120mph. it can still only go as fast as the current equipment and limitations will allow it to go. until there is a way to lift the restrictions off of the ATV2 to play 1080 files (which from what i have read there is not... yet) it is the same thing. for the cost though i think it is a wonderful companion to anything under the 55" screen category. playing on a 26" screen would be perfect though. Yes, there is a BIG difference. Your post says the atv will only handle 720 files. This isnt true With xbmc, it will handle 1080 files just fine, it will only output them at 720. This makes a big difference for someone who has a lot of 1080 rips and might dismiss buying the atv2 because they think it wont play their files. Not trying to argue, just want to avoid any confusion. Quote Link to comment
Velkitor Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I have an appletv2 setup with my unRaid box. I have it attached to a 46" LCD tv, connected to the network via power-line Ethernet jacks. I am able to watch 720p TV shows with no lag or stuttering... ALSO apple TV has built in youtube, netfix and a bunch of other stuff. When you JB the device the stock menu options stay there so you can still access this content. For $99 and a 6W device it is a steal. I doubt that your 26" LCD does 1080p and if it does I doubt the extra pixels will make a difference. I would definitely go for the ATV2 in your case due to the price point, and low power of the devise if nothing else... Quote Link to comment
TaterSalad Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I haven't personally used an ATV2 with XBMC, but I do know the port is very new. While the XBMC developers are as good as they come for open-source, I would expect ATV2 to have its new platform hiccups for a while. Though $99 is tempting, I would spend and extra $50 - $75 on an Acer Aspire Revo. It has the NVIDIA ION Integrated Graphics, which XBMC can hardware acclerate. I have one and it cuts through 1080p like butter. It's small, quiet, an has HDMI output. I installed the XBMC Live edition (basically a stripped down version of Ubuntu) and couldn't be happier. And by installing it to a Linux platform, you open up a realm of possibilities for things to run in the background. Personally, I have a web server, rtorrent, and irssi always running in the background. Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 With the ATV do you have to use the included remote, or can you use a nicer one? Quote Link to comment
Heretic Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 for what its worth next gen sigma chips will get xmbc support. (sigma chips are used in current popcorn hour, dune netgear ntv550) tho it will probably will take up to a year for the chips to be stable enough to enjoy http://xbmc.org/theuni/2011/01/12/more-about-sigma/ Quote Link to comment
Velkitor Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 In the XBMC settings on the apple tv it has options for a few other remotes... but I only have the apple TV one so I am not completely sure. I live in california and I am looking at the nice 6W power consumption for a solution to play 720p. In the summer time I get up to $500/mo electric bill, so the 60 or so watts saved for using an apple TV over an nvidia Ion box is money in the bank for me, plus the apple TV costs the same if not less than an nvidia Ion setup (after you include board,ram,case) To each his own, if you prefer the flexibility and the 1080p go for the Ion setup. If you want to save $100/year or what ever the electric turns out to be go for the apple... Quote Link to comment
dan4081 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I haven't personally used an ATV2 with XBMC, but I do know the port is very new. While the XBMC developers are as good as they come for open-source, I would expect ATV2 to have its new platform hiccups for a while. Though $99 is tempting, I would spend and extra $50 - $75 on an Acer Aspire Revo. It has the NVIDIA ION Integrated Graphics, which XBMC can hardware acclerate. I have one and it cuts through 1080p like butter. It's small, quiet, an has HDMI output. I installed the XBMC Live edition (basically a stripped down version of Ubuntu) and couldn't be happier. And by installing it to a Linux platform, you open up a realm of possibilities for things to run in the background. Personally, I have a web server, rtorrent, and irssi always running in the background. I have a Revo in the livingroom and atv2's in the bedrooms. While I agree the Revo is much better at this time and can do more than the ATV2 will probably ever do, the ATV2 does have some advantages. The main one being the built in Netflix client, which works very well. In addition to lower power consumption, built in s/pdif, and built in remote eye. Also, I tried and havent been able to find a '$50-75 dollar more' Revo in quite some time. I bought mine for $161 and should have snagged 2 or 3 more at the time. Quote Link to comment
Velkitor Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I haven't personally used an ATV2 with XBMC, but I do know the port is very new. While the XBMC developers are as good as they come for open-source, I would expect ATV2 to have its new platform hiccups for a while. Though $99 is tempting, I would spend and extra $50 - $75 on an Acer Aspire Revo. It has the NVIDIA ION Integrated Graphics, which XBMC can hardware acclerate. I have one and it cuts through 1080p like butter. It's small, quiet, an has HDMI output. I installed the XBMC Live edition (basically a stripped down version of Ubuntu) and couldn't be happier. And by installing it to a Linux platform, you open up a realm of possibilities for things to run in the background. Personally, I have a web server, rtorrent, and irssi always running in the background. I have a Revo in the livingroom and atv2's in the bedrooms. While I agree the Revo is much better at this time and can do more than the ATV2 will probably ever do, the ATV2 does have some advantages. The main one being the built in Netflix client, which works very well. In addition to lower power consumption, built in s/pdif, and built in remote eye. Also, I tried and havent been able to find a '$50-75 dollar more' Revo in quite some time. I bought mine for $161 and should have snagged 2 or 3 more at the time. In my current application I find the Netfix extremely helpful. I have a 2 year old, and it is very hard to find good quality kid show rips on the newsgroups (maybe I am doing it wrong). But Netflix has a ton of kids stuff, seasons and seasons of stuff from NickJr and PBS Kids. For me that is worth more than 1080p. =) It just supplements the library of things you already have! Quote Link to comment
kizer Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 What you said makes a HUGE amount of sense. Thats why I was considering the WD Live Plus in my office as a test and considering an option for my guest room where my kid watches tv now and then along with playing on the Wii and other things. Thats why ATV2 and the WD Live Plus sound like winners. I'm really used to the interface of XBMC so the ATV2 has a huge advantage, but XBMC on it is rather new and the entire JailBreak today and again later if you reboot unless they finally got it figured out for windows. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I heard rumors about a new non-tethered jailbreak that survives reboots being released soon. That was sometime last week, so maybe it's already out. If so, I hope it's doable from a WinOS system too. Quote Link to comment
loadme Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 best thing that ever happened to me was the discovery of Media-Portal two years ago. this and only this software was the reason for starting an unraid server and digitalizing all my dvds and blu-rays http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ its a fully customizable media player. its free / open source ppl write extensions / plugins that everyone can easily add. insane solid skins, perfect smooth controlls. of course automatic import options for every plugin you like. (movies, tv series and so on) controllable via standard infrared remote or even the iphone. you can use it on every low budget system like 2ghz, win XP. zotac boxes rock this f.exp. just look for some media portal showcases on youtube. so far its visually and functionally by far the best i've seen. (not to mention the instant support around their forums, like it is with unraid) Quote Link to comment
Bags Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I use my harmony remote with the ATV2 no problems. Quote Link to comment
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