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cant see where my speed improvements exist with cache drive

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So i have my cache drive now, a 320 gb 2.5" WD drive....i tested. I enabled cache drive on my wii share on unraid and then used teracopy to copy a 4.3GB iso from my pc to the wii share on unraid, im am sad to say i saw speeds exactly the same as without the cache drive, i have GB controllers on both sides of thr LAN, i have GB switches and routers and also use CAT6 cabling..am i subject to..>>

 

"Increased Perceived Write Speed - Emphasis on 'perceived'.  The real, behind-the-scenes write speed of your unRAID server is unchanged by the addition of a cache drive.  A cache drive simply grants you the fastest transfer that your hardware will allow by deferring the inevitable parity calculation until a later time"

 

I think i fullfill the criteria of a fast network..why then do i not see the benefits of the speed increase ?

What exactly are your read and write speeds?

 

Did you check to see if the write actually went to the cache drive and not the protected array when you were transferring it? You can access the cache drive share exactly the same as you would a disk share, \\servername\cache

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the write speed is about 35MB/s peak, in actual fact this is going from my QNAP server to the unraid server, both are connected to the same switch although the router/modem is in another room, see the network topolgy i have added (very crude), i can confirm it is hitting the cache drive as the file appears on there and is growing

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You're probably maxing out your network copying from one network device to another. Try copying from the PC to the unRAID server.

 

Peter

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slower still, well, bouncing around...16-47 MB/s

there are several things to take into consideration.

 

the speed of your network, (nice clean full duplex GB, not a lot of cross-traffic,  not a lot of hops, no bad jumbo frame entries, no accidental loop-backs)

the speed of your source drive, (coming from a slow source)

the speed of you cache drive, (an older or lower performing drive might yield worse results then no cache drive at all)

What you are copying. (lots of small files vs a single sustained write)

 

anti-virus can also slowdown file transfers too as it checks each file...

 

in the correct situation/hardware configuration, a cache drive is night and day.

I've noticed when I've changed my cache drive that sometimes UnRaid takes a minute to use the "use cache" drive setting of a particular share.  Give it some time, or if in doubt, make sure the "wii" share is set to use the cache drive, save the settings, stop the array and start it again (effectively restarting samba, etc).

That usually works for me.

 

Are transfers between two machines on the same switch faster?  You could always try that cache drive in your desktop and see what speeds you get copying to it from the network.

i have my cache drive now, a 320 gb 2.5" WD drive.

 

Test the drive locally on the unRAID server first.

Use the writeread10gb script from my googlecode page.

Then you will know the drive's maximum speed of which you can never exceed.

From what I remember, 2.5" drives aren't all that fast unless you start getting into the higher density or the 10,000RPM drives.

 

So i have my cache drive now, a 320 gb 2.5" WD drive.

 

What model drive is this? Blue? Black? if its a 4200/5400RPM Drive then i wouldn't expect you'd see faster speeds.

maybe with a 7200rpm drive

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So i have my cache drive now, a 320 gb 2.5" WD drive.

 

What model drive is this? Blue? Black? if its a 4200/5400RPM Drive then i wouldn't expect you'd see faster speeds.

maybe with a 7200rpm drive

 

'use cache' is enabled for wii share, the drive is a WD blue 320GB, how do i go about using your script ?

./writeread10gb /mnt/cache/test.dd

then post results.

BTW, weebotech..still cant get your 10gbreadwrite thingy to go  :o

 

 

when you download the file, download it to /tmp temporarily.

 

via a telnet window logged in as root.

 

cd /tmp

wget http://unraid-weebotech.googlecode.com/files/writeread10gb

 

then set the script executable

chmod u+rwx /tmp/writeread10gb

 

Check it with ls

ls -l /tmp/writeread10gb

 

then execute it

/tmp/writeread10gb /mnt/cache/testfile.dd

 

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Thanks for spoonfeeding that to me, i did man chmod which was interesting reading, i can kind of grasp it, i still think i need a dummies book to start off with. Im thinking i need to somehow chmod all the files on my flash where unraid resides as i am having issues overwriting files on there, keeps saying i dont have permission so i can only assume somehow read only has been set accross the board, any way..here are the results...guess the drives a slow one ?

 

warptower login: root

Linux 3.1.1-unRAID.

root@warptower:~# /tmp/writeread10gb /mnt/cache/testfile.dd

writing 10240000000 bytes to: /mnt/cache/testfile.dd

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write complete, syncing

reading from: /mnt/cache/testfile.dd

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removing: /mnt/cache/testfile.dd

removed `/mnt/cache/testfile.dd'

 

 

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LoL.. that's OK. i took his spoon fed ding also and ran it on my box.

 

I would say that that 2.5" blue would be ok for a data drive but is not the best performer for a cache drive.

you could also put it in a usb enclosure and have a nice portable drive for taking files about.

 

I posted my script results over here

 

 

I'll say this again. With the way unRAID works without a hot live spare.

I think it's best to invest in a cache drive that is the same model/size as your parity drive.

Then if you have a drive failure. you give up using a cache drive. put the cache drive in place of the failed drive and RMA the failed drive or get a new one.

 

At 30MB/s for a cache drive, you an pretty much tune the array and write at that speed.

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i will do that when the hdd prices are back to normal, i only fitted the 2.5 because it fits, its not in a bay, i have a proliant microserver and using hacked bios which uncombines the ODD and Esata headers to allow full write speed so it is sitting on top of the cage...thinking on, would have it hanging off the Esata port have any impact to the speed..i dont see why it would as it is just sata but external...as the previous poster said i could always have it outside but i dont want to have YAPSU (yet another psu) to plug in..i will take apart the box and look to mount a 3.5"

heh, I did not realize you had that tiny server.

If that's the case I would not put too much effort into it.

 

There are other cool products that do power over eSATA if you wanted to have an external eSATA drive without a power cable.

 

I don't even know if a cache drive is worth it if you have a low powered server to begin with and limited SATA ports.

I'll also toss in, i would not use a used, spotty or questionable drive for a cache drive.

 

I would use a solid, trust worthy drive for cache. every bit of data you write to your array goes through this drive without any sort of parity protection.

 

It can be a weak link in your data protection. If your cache drive is spotty, it could cause corrupted data being written to your protected are of your server. you might not even know this until it is to late. I personally have experienced this myself.

 

You may gain the benefit of speed, but you open up other possible issues.

 

As weebotech pointed out, it is a good idea to have a spare drive for your system handy. you never know when a drive will fail. most people use the spare drive for the cache. usually it is the same size as the parity drive just in case that is the drive that dies.

For every one of my servers, I have a spare drive on a shelf or in the server just for this.

 

unfortunately, this hard drive shortage is just a pain a wallet right now and a lot of us are pulling out old drives from old systems to make due.

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heh, I did not realize you had that tiny server.

If that's the case I would not put too much effort into it.

 

There are other cool products that do power over eSATA if you wanted to have an external eSATA drive without a power cable.

 

I don't even know if a cache drive is worth it if you have a low powered server to begin with and limited SATA ports.

 

are you laughing at my server ??? :'( LOL, seriously, it does for me, its a neat little box and the reason i chose UNraid was because when i go bigger i can just move all the drives into a bigger box and sell the proliant on.

 

Why would you suggest it may not be worth having a cache drive in such a low powered server like mine ?, after all, the psu is enough to handle the drives i have in it, im sure it wouldnt be happy if i installed another SATA card and tried coupling molex's to get power for more drives but as it stands i am only using what power outlets and ports that came with it, so surely a cache drive is better to have than have not in any case ?

I'm not laughing at the server, they are neat lil boxes. I was thinking of getting one, but stopped myself since I have enough equipment for 5 unraid servers if I wanted.

 

For my server,  I get 30MB/s write to a parity protected array drive.

 

If you choose fast drives for parity, max out the ram and tune the md driver well enough  you may not really need the cache drive.

 

I have one, but I do not use it to cache writes since 30MB/s is fast enough for me to write to the disk share directly.

Now if you had a fast cache drive that did 60MB/s it might be worth it.

 

What is your writeread10gb speed when writing to a nearly empty /mnt/disk? area?

 

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well i have just added the final pre cleared drive from my old server to the proliant, last time you spoonfed me the lines to type to get your 10gbscript working on the cache drive, how would i go about doing the same for the empty /mnt/user disk ??...

 

Also, im not 'to' fussed about write speed as i write once read many, just using sab and SB..its done overnight and i have a 100mb connection to the net, the parity drives and data drives are all sammy f4's @ 7200rpm, is it true i could run cache_dir from the array rather than the cache ? i was under the immpression i had to have it on the cache to be effective though that statement does not make a lot of sense, how would it impact on the apps i have installed on the cache drive if i was to put them to the array ?

 

thanks for your time weebo for explaining this in a way i can understand.

Once you have the script installed you run it with the command line pointing to the output destination.

 

To write to disk 1

/tmp/writeread10gb /mnt/disk1/testfile.dd

 

To write to a user share

 

ls -l /mnt/user

find a directory under user that you want to write to.

then

 

/tmp/writeread10gb /mnt/user/DIR/testfile.dd

 

Where DIR is a matching directory name from ls -l /mnt/user

yours will vary.

 

As far as running Joe L's cache_dirs, you can run it from anywhere you like.

You can put it on the boot flash, cache drive, install it to /usr/local/sbin

 

I have a /boot/local/bin directory

 

mkdir -p /boot/local/bin

cp cache_dirs /boot/local/bin

chmod u+x /boot/local/bin/cache_dirs

/boot/local/bin/cache_dirs

 

you can copy it to /usr/local/bin and run it from there also.

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I done it, and by doing so my understanding curve has got better, though, i must say i am not getting impressive results..or am i ?..i saw johnm's results, i thought i was really doing something wrong then i saw the equioment he had and the 'SMOKIN' comment weebo made...those results are SICK !!

 

The drive i wrote to is a 2TB sammy f4 7200rpm, it has 1.49TB free...am i correct to say the write speed is 33MB/s ? or should i be looking at the end result of 102 MB/s ??, if 33 MB/s thats slow i assume and therefore i would be better served having another data drive there instead of a cache ?

 

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root@warptower:/mnt/disk4#

33MB/s write to a parity protected drive is about right.

102MB/s read from a parity protected drive is about right also.

 

The smokin' comment was because Johnm used a SSD for the cache drive.

 

/mnt/disk4 is a parity protected drive, so those speeds are correct.

Your prior cache speeds are slow. So as you mention, you would be better off with a faster cache drive or just a data drive.

 

So i have my cache drive now, a 320 gb 2.5" WD drive.

 

What model drive is this? Blue? Black? if its a 4200/5400RPM Drive then i wouldn't expect you'd see faster speeds.

maybe with a 7200rpm drive

 

Even a 5400 rpm drive should get much, much faster speeds than that. When I was using a WD 5400 rpm drive as my cache drive I still got 90MB/s(720mb/s) to 100MB/s(800mb/s) transfer rates. With a 5900 rpm drive I was getting 95MB/s to 110MB/s transfer rates and a litle faster with a 7200 rpm drive. I ended up putting the 5900 rpm drive back in and taking out the 7200rpm Hitachi since I prefer to use Seagate or WD drives over Hitachi drives.

 

Any modern 5400 rpm drive with high density platters will easily get over 90MB/s transfer rates.

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