Plutoker Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) On 2/5/2024 at 12:20 PM, dopeytree said: I've just ordered one of these aliexpress specials 'ERYING Motherboard with Onboard 13th gen CPU i5 13500H DDR4'. Will report back once it arrives. £260. Specs: 8 efficiency cores & 4 performance cores. (laptop cpu) 2x DDR4 slots 1Gb lan (the ddr5 models have 2.5Gb lans but then Id have to buy ddr5 ram) 2x sata ports 2x m.2 slots (pcie4.0 x4) Expansion pcie4.0 x8 slot + a pcie3.0 x4 slot So already more than a n100 & or n305 board. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006144634993.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.15.21ef18026B6KO7 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/232147/intel-core-i513500h-processor-18m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz/specifications.html Did your erying board arrive? Curious what your thoughts are on it. Edited April 15 by Plutoker Quote Link to comment
dopeytree Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Great value for money. 13500H is way more efficient than my 11900t but there is a problem again with ASPM so no acheiving extra low power states. However I am using a HBA card to run my 20disks. If you use without it will idle much lower. 1 Quote Link to comment
bagican Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) Odroid H4 🎉 Today Hardkernel announced 3 new Odroid models! See https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=48344 | https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h4/start I appreciate that they listen to user needs and new models are improved based on the user feedback! especially 2 models are very attractive: H4 Plus and H4 Ultra (with 8-core Intel N305) are interesting because they have 4x SATA III, 1x m.2, 2x LAN (2.5Gbit Intel I226-V) there is also kit for converting to mini-ITX format ! https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/h4-mini-itx-kit/ 10x SATA - whey you use m.2 to 6x SATA ASM1166 controller For me, the H4 Plus will be enough, it has Intel N97, which is better than very popular N100. I need to highlight an awesome work and focus on idle power consumption. Only 2,7~2,8 W ⚡️ (on the DC side, so potential inefficiencies in the power supply are not taken into account) Quote In this test, Ubuntu Desktop OS was used, and we think that power consumption could have been slightly reduced if Ubuntu Server OS had been used. This will be most probably my main home server / NAS. Specifications, benchmarks, images and more details: Spoiler Specs: How it looks: Power consumption: headless (with only 1x LAN plugged) with Ubuntu Desktop: H4 Mini-ITX Kit Video Encoding Benchmark Case for 4x 2.5" SATA SSDs/HDDs Edited April 16 by bagican 1 1 Quote Link to comment
eicar Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 (edited) Very interesting, especially with the Mini-ITX kit. Though the SATA chipset connects to only one lane of PCIe 3.0, so this is only a good idea, if you plan to use HDDs. (Four SATA SSDs would be bottlenecked.) Question: since the M.2 slot actually has 4 lanes (gen3 x4), could you use something like the M.2 Key M to triple PCIe x1 riser/adapter/extender by Kalea Informatique? It would give you options for adding (a) an x1 4-port SATA controller for a total of eight SATA ports, (b) a gen3 M.2 SSD carrier card (x1) or even more SATA, and (c) an SFP+ 10GbE card like the TRENDnet TEG-10GECSFP 3.0R. (With only one lane, the latter wouldn't run at full 10G speed, of course, but could still reach something like 700–800 MB/s.) You would lose one PCIe lane in the process, though. (But maybe there are extenders with 4 * x1 or 2 * x1 + 1 * x2 PCIe slots. ❓) Edited April 17 by eicar Quote Link to comment
Skyfall Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Only if the board supports bifurcation on the nvme slot. Quote Link to comment
mavrrick Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 That is if the adapter is splitting the lanes. It looks like it is simply a USB 3.0 adapter so if it is a USB 3.2 gen 2x2 or whatever is the right standard it could provide the needed bandwith for 3 pcie3x1 slots. Quote Link to comment
eicar Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 (edited) Researched a little myself. The USB is just transmitting the data between the Key M slot and the chipset, which is a Diodes/Pericom PI7C9X2G404SL, and that is a switch, so no bifurcation is needed on the board. (Don't even know if M.2 bifurcation is possible directly.) But it's a 4 port 4 lane switch, so it's only using 3 out of 4 possible ports, and it's PCIe 2.0 instead of 3.0, so each x1 slot will be bottlenecked at 500 MB/s instead of 1 GB/s. https://www.diodes.com/part/view/PI7C9X2G404SL So not really useful. (Maybe it's better to use a simple M.2 to PCIe x4 riser/extender, and then use a gen3 x4 to quad x1 switch/extension in the PCIe slot… if those even exist.) Edited April 18 by eicar Quote Link to comment
Plutoker Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 4/14/2024 at 11:27 PM, dopeytree said: Great value for money. 13500H is way more efficient than my 11900t but there is a problem again with ASPM so no acheiving extra low power states. However I am using a HBA card to run my 20disks. If you use without it will idle much lower. I went with the Erying i5-13420H SRMHX ddr5. Had boot issues with the debug light stuck on ddr. Reached out to support and they suggested different ram. Returned the Teamgroup 16GB 5600Mhz DDR5 for Crucial 32GB 5600Mhz DDR5 but had the same issue. Tried working with support for a few days but ended up RMA the board. Quote Link to comment
eicar Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 (edited) A new N-series processor was spotted in the wild, the N250 aka Twin Lake: 4 E-cores, 4 threads, base clock 1.2 GHz. It is presumed that it will still use the current N-series' Gracemont E-cores, i.e. the rebranding from Alder Lake-N to Twin Lake would not signify any architecture changes. https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-n250-twin-lake-low-power-cpu-spotted-features-4-e-cores I'm far from knowledgeable, when it comes to the labyrinthine Intel CPUs and architectures, but people are saying that any second generation N-series would use the Skymont architecture, but as far as I remember, that was an old architecture years ago, and the next generation after Gracemont is currently Crestmont. On the other hand, the name Skymont seems to have been reused by Intel for the E-cores of the upcoming 2024 Lunar Lake Core Ultra series. (It's all very confusing.) But if true, a second generation N-series probably wouldn't arrive before late in 2025. Though judging from online discussions on Lunar Lake, this has no effect on the N-series, so it could actually take a couple of years before any new generation arrives. EDIT – another article on the N250 and the new Twin Lake series, even theorizing on the i3-N400 and i3-N405: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intels-newest-e-core-only-twin-lake-cpus-are-on-the-way-starting-with-intel-n250 Intel will also release the (non-N series) Intel 310 as a successor to the Intel 300, which are dual P-core CPUs, and the new one will be derived from the Raptor Lake S Refresh series, so it's very unlikely that new N series chips would be anything more than a Gracemont refresh. Edited July 27 by eicar additional article Quote Link to comment
Epire Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) I found this motherboard (mw-n100-nas) which at first glance seems interesting for mounting a NAS, but I was unable to find anything about the assignments of the 9 lines and the chipset SATA. Has anyone had better luck than me ? This is what I was able to find on the different offers on AliExpress. Processeur Intel Alder Lake-N N100/N305 1 * Emplacement mémoire DDR5, 4800MHz, la mémoire prend en charge jusqu'à 32 Go Réseau 3 * LAN (2 * port réseau Intel i226 2.5G + 1*10G), prend en charge le démarrage sans disque, le réveil du réseau 1 * HD + 1 * DP, prend en charge l'affichage synchrone ou asynchrone 6 * SATA3.0, 2 * M.2(NVME) Interface I/O 3 * LAN (2 * Intel i226 2.5G + 1*10G port réseau) 1 * HD 1 * DP 1 * USB3.0 1 * TYPE-C (fonction complète) 2 * USB2.0 1 * TF_CARD (carte TF) 1 * COM 2 * USB2.0 (en-tête de broche), 2 * USB2.0 6 * SATA3.0 2 * M.2(NVME) 1 * FP, 1 * TPM 1 * CPUFAN, 1 * SYSFAN Minuterie Watchdog 0-255S, réinitialisation du système Win10, LINUX Alimentation ATX 24Pin + 4Pin Température de stockage: -20 ℃ -70 ℃ Température de fonctionnement: -0 ℃ -60 ℃ 170mm * 170mm https://fr.aliexpress.com/i/1005005347552418.html Edited August 4 by Epire 1 Quote Link to comment
eicar Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 (edited) Nice find. It's listed as the MW-N100-NAS with an additional number "24010004" on the motherboard. Article here: https://nascompares.com/2024/07/27/the-mw-n100-nas-n100-10gbe-m-itx-6-bay-motherboard-just-released/ The chipset for the 10G NIC is a Marvell AQC113C, which seems to be a rather new one also used by some ASRock industrials boards, with PCIe 4.0 compatibility, so I strongly assume that it supports C-states. It must be using at least two PCIe 3.0 lanes, which is supported by the fact that they dropped the PCIe slot, which can be up to x2 on the retail N100 boards by ASRock. (But usually just x1 on Topton boards.) As for the SATA, those would be three more PCIe 3.0 lanes, leaving four remaining. But the SATA chipset? Couldn't find anything. If it's the JMB585, it won't be that great. (ASMedia is the way to go, if one is looking for maximum power savings.) But I don't understand why they don't offer 8 SATA ports. According to the specs, the N100 can support 4 SATA natively (via two PCIe 3.0 lanes), so for a NAS they should have gone for 4 additional SATA for a total of 8, and dropped one of the M.2 slots instead (imho). DDR5 means you could in principle go up to 64 GB of RAM eventually… realistically only 48 GB at the moment. 2 * USB 2.0 Type-A on the motherboard for an Unraid boot drive is always great. With potentially four remaining PCIe lanes, the two M.2 NVMe SSDs could in principle be x2, but probably just 2 * x1. Edited August 1 by eicar Quote Link to comment
Epire Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Maybe the maker ? https://www.szmwipc.com/product_detail/40640.html Quote Link to comment
Epire Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 I sent an email to [email protected] in order to get info on the motherboard (mw-n100-nas), here is their answer : Hi, SATA is converted using one PCIE 1X, two NVMEs are converted using two PCIE 1X, 10G LAN is converted using one PCIE2X, and two 2.5G LANs are converted using two PCIE 1X The motherboard information is attached in the file. BR Lanbo 2 Quote Link to comment
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