TexasUnraid

Yeah I got what you were saying I was talking about the same. People are paying $1500++ for 24-45 bay chassis by themselves without any drives. So that is $30-$50 per bay then they are paying $20-$40/TB for the drives themselves. I don't see them ever breaking even but possible some hardware will come on the market at some point for a good price.

That is a good point, not sure what the temp space is for K33, guessing double? So you would need 2x drives to hold them I guess. Depending on what the effects of plotting 100% in ram are, I might start plotting k33 and using a temp drive to better fill space.

Thats not bad at all, some people are paying STUPID prices. At the prices I paid last year I am right about the same $15 a drive, actually got one a month ago for the same price (24 bay for $400). I see people paying $1500-2500 for 24-45 bay systems right and left though, they could hardly give away those systems a few months ago for $300. Boggles my mind. I actually just got in 3x 14tb drives I ordered just before chia hit. They will be used to give me a complete backup of my main server (missing my media drives right now) but maybe I should farm with them for a bit to burn them in lol.

224gb? Good site for figuing out the best combo of plots for a drive: https://plot-plan.chia.foxypool.io/

Not a bad setup if you need the 1u setup, my farmer is using a very similar mobo/cpu (1275 vs 1220) Personally I prefer a 2u hot swap chassis for the same number of bays, I have seen some supermicro chassis go for around that price recently depending on what you want in it. Actually considered getting one to swap out my existing 2u chassis that only has 8 bays actually. I also like that 2u has the option to use add-in cards as long as they are low profile.

Ditto, on a few disks I am literally a few hundred mb short of an extra plot. When I replot for pools I might do a mix of k32 and k33 to get better fillage. I could not figure out how to do that and resigned myself to just listing a bunch of directories. Although if you are using unraid, you could do a share on it and combine all the disks into a single share. That is the easiest option I see. There is also mergerfs I think it is called on linux that works similar to unraid but is free. Could just use a trial key of unraid for testing short term. I have heard of people having issues with lookup times when using a network share though so be sure to check that.

Interesting idea, I have not considered that option as I just assumed liberelec was arm only but come to think of it, it might support x86 as well. I was running liberelec until I recently switched to coreelec. Ok, thanks for the tip on the kore app, so this docker only works when used in tandom with the app, makes sense now why I could not figure out how to do anything on it directly! Might have to look into it a bit closer knowing that now.

VERY nice, I am totally going to switch back to machinaris now that it has madmax. Multiple workers is also very helpful as I have my main server I keep debating setting up for plotting.

yeah I found the chiagreen site, good find on the flax. Indeed, if I had to replot or use space exclusively for them I would not even consider it but if it shares the chia plots I figure it is worth looking into. I also heard that the Makers of chia had this in mind from the start apparently, the ability for other coins/networks to piggyback off the chia framework or something. The nail in the coffin at this point is I have nothing to loose, I will be creating a new wallet when pools come out anyways, It is farming on a dedicated machine with hpool sandboxed and my hpool funds will be withdrawn to another wallet as well, so since this wallet is already compromised, might as well go all in lol.

Ok, I am genuinely trying to find this "flax" you speak of, I can not find a thing except for the seeds. lol

My extra memory showed up today, giving me a total of 384gb, plenty to plot entirely in ram (also good for very high compression of very large files that I do from time to time) 😉 No more wear on SSD's or HDD's! Got to wait for it to copy all the plots off the drives that are in it right now before I can start playing with it though. Looks like that will take ~18 hours for the ~18tb (having to change the formats of the drives from btrfs to NTFS since I will farm on windows with hpool for now).

So basically you can farm the others for free? Where do I sign up lol. What is there to lose? Separate dockers would be fine I agree for those that want to do this. Although if they take off, combining them into a single docker would be interesting and cut the setup time by 2/3's.

Ok, if it comes up in the search now then you can simply select to install it and then manually add the paths and variables to the tmeplate. The -v are paths, the rest are varibles and would go in the post arguments IIRC. Ignore the CPU's/memory stuff on unraid, it is handled in the GUI. I preferred to make a custom docker that I could terminal into and run everything from inside the docker, I find that easier then trying to use these direct docker run commands on unraid. It was really easy to spin up the docker, just used the ubuntu base docker from dockerhub, mapped the paths to my plots and then installed madmax following the build process in the github.

Ditto above, tried to search them but flax just came up with the food and chiagreen I could just find marketing hubub. Is there some information somewhere on the nitty gritty of these? Do they work in tandom with Chia or are they alternate options?

Yeah, someone needs to make an unraid template for it, I have no idea how to upload one to the repo though. I am using a custom docker I made for testing right now but generally with off-repo dockers like that, that don't come up if you search CA (does it show up in CA if you select search dockerhub?) is to copy/paste those commands into the unraid terminal and let it spin up the docker manually. It will then be added to the GUI and you can usually tweak the settings from there easier then creating it from scratch.

Odd, I had no issues, did you compile it yourself? On unraid, were you using a docker? Did you make the docker yourself or use the pre-made one? I had some issues with the pre-made docker not wanting to use all threads when I tried it so I spun up a simple ubuntu docker and compiled / ran madmaxx from there and worked good. Yes, plotman is great, although it takes a fair amount of tweaking to optimize things is what I was getting at when parrelle plotting. With single plots there is not much to tweak. Apparently they are going to be combining madmax into the official chia plotter at some point if the rumor I hear.

That would suck to have a bay that kills drives. I have a few 4tb drives that give the evil click and spin down as well. Well, have about 10tb live on hpool for the last ~12 hours and so far have farmed 0.50 cents, heck of a lot better then 0 cents lol. Moving the rest of my plots around and will add them in later today to bring the total to around 20tb and then start plotting again.

Freezer? That works? VERY interesting, never heard of that one. That is a pretty good price for those drives, $7.90/tb, a little more then half what new shucked drives run (before chia). Course you have to factor in the drives that die but you would have to loose 19 of them to equal the cost. Course with new drives you can get 12tb+ and they use less power and take up less space. I just started my real deal storage server last year during lockdown with my stimulus check. So lucky enough to have all 12-14tb drives so far, takes up a lot less space.

Well I guess at least it was not being used for anything important! Well, I just did it, got Hpool installed and just starting farming. Slowly moving my plots over to a more long term home now that I don't need all the drives for parallel plotting. Ended up installing hpool on windows using Sandboxie Plus I have used it for many years but it went open source recently and has really improved since then. I use it for anything I don't trust. Got it sequestered into a sandbox and seems to be working. Now just need to make a new wallet so I can withdrawl to an uncompermised address but not a big deal since I can use the new one for re-plotting when official pools are released.

Yeah, you will be drive limited like that, you will need to increase the drive bandwidth to do much better. Like I said before, you might be better off with parallel plotting like you were doing before, you can still use madmax but won't get the same gains as others with faster drives. Since I am just using a single system right now and it has the memory for a ramdrive, the speeds are faster. Although my optimized parallel speed was around ~32 plots a day but with a lot more hassle. Now I am doing 36 plots a day and way way simpler.

With my old parallel setup running 24-32 plots in parallel with a lot of tweaking to get stagger right and make sure all the drives had full bandwidth and basically a week or 2 of trial and error, I was doing about ~32 plots a day. With madmax, using a ramdisk for temp2, I am getting 36 plots a day with the stock settings using 6x 10k sas drives. Just set it and forget it basically (I did switch from a bunch of individual drives to a raid array for higher speed naturally). So a bit faster but WAY simpler and way less hardware demands as I only need a few drives to plot to instead of the ~26 drives I was using before. Could use an NVME/SSD as well but I just can't bring myself to burn those up for no reason when these drives were way cheaper and should last a long longer (Got 2.8TB of 10k sas drives for $70, capable of 1.6gb/s speeds in raid0). I have been thinking about getting more ram for awhile so I pulled the trigger on some more memory and going to try plotting entirely in ram when it comes in. Cheap ECC DDR3 FTW lol.

Oh yeah the netspace will take off for sure. I just don't know what to make of the coin as a whole. On one hand it has a lot of potential. On the other it seems all the company cares about is the IPO and making money from that end. They never saw this kind of explosion. There are a LOT of old hard drives laying around that will be put into service for this, I just don't know if buying new drives will ever make sense. Without the ability to expand, profitability is pretty limited.

Yeah, not sure what is going to happen. Not sure I see this as a viable solution for making a profit farming, they seem to be focused on the IPO profits with the price of chia / profits coming a long way behind. I will most likely do similar to you, I already have a server on 24/7, might as well toss my old drives in there and let it ride. Course I only have around ~30-40tb of old drives. I don't really see the netspace shrinking anytime soon either, I would not be surprised at all to hit 50-100eib before it stabilizes, that is what I am basing my numbers on. at 50eib netspace each TB of plots is worth $1/month at 100eib they are worth 0.50cents/month. So about $15-$30/month for my spare drives. Not worth buying new drives that is for darn sure and at that price you have to start factoring power usage into any rigs you have to turn on just for chia. Guess we will see what the netspace stabilizes at, what are you thinking?

Odd, something short out? I have had no issues on linux, seen people complain about using it on windows. I think someone compiled a windows version?

tested it in a docker on unraid, after some tweaking got it down to 34 mins but the HDD's are slower as I only have 3 of them in raid so a bit bottlenecked there. Also have the docker penalty, still not bad. With the price of chia dropping not sure it is worth it to really put anymore effort into chia, this has been fun with the spare server but think I will just let to plot alone for now and see how things pan out. Gonna try corepool if they open registration again soon, otherwise I will try hpool. If I could just make back the $100 I spent on chia I would be happy at this point.