Pretty cool!

 

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/7868251/microsoft-hololens-hologram-hands-on-experience

I hear the next beta will include support for this. It goes right along with the GPU Passthrough feature that everyone needs on their NAS.

I watched the demo during the presentation today. It looks pretty slick. It's pretty cool that it's supposed to be generally available around the same time as Windows 10 - so Q3/15.

 

 

Pretty cool and a milestone in virtual reality IF it really works as shown in the clip.

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Part of me wants to believe that this is the only thing you post on forums.

 

Also the technology is impressive.

porn

 

Part of me wants to believe that this is the only thing you post on forums.

 

Also the technology is impressive.

I know he also posts about beer because I replied to one earlier.

porn

 

Part of me wants to believe that this is the only thing you post on forums.

 

Also the technology is impressive.

I know he also posts about beer because I replied to one earlier.

 

That is a reasonable alternative.  I want to believe.

These would definitely be cool to have (and play with) 

 

... but the real-world neat news (assuming it's true) is that Windows 10 is going to be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and 8 for the first year after its release.    This is a great way to insure a more rapid migration than night have otherwise happened -- and it also happens to be a very nicely done OS.

 

This is a great way to insure a more rapid migration than might have otherwise happened

 

I'm somewhat suspicious about this generosity.

Why would M$ do this? They made good money with their OS.

What is the benefit of having W10 instead of W7 out (for M$)?

This is a great way to insure a more rapid migration than might have otherwise happened

 

I'm somewhat suspicious about this generosity.

Why would M$ do this? They made good money with their OS.

What is the benefit of having W10 instead of W7 out (for M$)?

 

It's not an absolute that they'll do this, but it's a pretty prevalent rumor -- and I suspect it's likely true.

 

Why would they do it?    Well ... they had a very disappointing upgrade rate to Win8, and the poor response is something they clearly want to avoid with '10.    They'll still make a LOT of $$ with Windows 10, as all of their OEM's will buy it for their systems.    And by making it a time-limited offer, they'll encourage many folks who would have otherwise just stayed with '7 or '8 to move to '10.    This will simplify support; and will move folks to the unified environment they're trying to achieve with '10; as well as moving folks who are on '7 to an environment that supports the Microsoft Store apps -- thus adding to the customer base for those products.

 

'10 certainly looks like a very nice OS -- the Tech Preview is a very nice integration of the better features of '7 and '8 with a few extra "goodies" tossed in.    Whether I'd have actually paid $$ to upgrade my '7 machines to it is doubtful; but I'll certainly migrate them if it's a free option.    I suspect there are MANY systems in the same boat.  Meanwhile, Microsoft's revenue for new systems will continue -- and that may also be true for corporate upgrades (not clear that they will be free).    In addition, the offer is only for upgrades from '7 or '8 => so anyone building new systems who needs an OS will still have to buy it -- as will folks who upgrade after the offer expires.

 

 

 

... they had a very disappointing upgrade rate to Win8

Yes, because it is crap. Not under the hood, but the Interface.

 

all of their OEM's will buy it for their systems.

They would have either way.

 

This will simplify support;

Probably not, since not everybody - even with this offer - will migrate to W10.

My company will not create a W10 client - that's for sure. M$ will still have to support W7 for a long time.

 

unified environment, Microsoft Store apps

This is exactly the point.

I installed W8.1 recently for a realtive.

Apart from the fact that the interface is crap (especially if you don't have a touchscreen) they started bothering me with their M$ account. Hell, they don't even have the minesweeper and solitaire onboard!

Everything seems to move into the cloud and apps.

I'm probably kinda old-fashioned, but I don't like that on my PC.

Smartphone = OK, Tablet = OK, my PC = NOK

 

I will probably grab an upgrade key, but stay on W7.

If I ever need it, I'm sure it will be possible to install W10 with an upgrade key - just as it was with W7.

 

 

 

 

Win8.1 is perfectly fine on pcs once you have it boot to desktop. At that point I don't ever see the touch interfaces that everyone complains about. It's really all about people not liking change because it's so darn simple to avoid what they're complaining about.

These would definitely be cool to have (and play with) 

 

... but the real-world neat news (assuming it's true) is that Windows 10 is going to be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and 8 for the first year after its release.    This is a great way to insure a more rapid migration than night have otherwise happened -- and it also happens to be a very nicely done OS.

 

Might need to check the details a bit deeper. The Windows 10 licensing model is different in that it is not a permanent license. The offer is one free year, and the rest are on you.

Win8.1 is perfectly fine on pcs once you have it boot to desktop. At that point I don't ever see the touch interfaces that everyone complains about. It's really all about people not liking change because it's so darn simple to avoid what they're complaining about.

 

I agree. People just like to complain. Even 8.0 wasn't that bad, though 8.1 refined it quite a bit. I have my parents and in-laws (all in their 70s) running Windows 8.1 without issue. They've never complained or really gotten stuck. Also, having OneDrive integrated and auto-backing up their personal files to the cloud is awesome.

 

I had the parents on 8.0 as well, and once I changed the defaults to the desktop apps instead of Metro and got it to boot to the desktop it was fine as well. I've never understand why people feel the need to gripe so much about something because it's new. Give it an hour or two and you are working away as normal. Give it a week or two, and most people won't even remember how they "used to do it".

 

Windows 10 though looks stellar. It's  a nice blend of 7/8 with some nice additions. I am looking forward to the final release and will have everyone in the family moved over fairly quickly.

once I changed the defaults to the desktop apps instead of Metro and got it to boot to the desktop it was fine as well.

What about the whole new and shiny thing, when you scrap it to be on your well-known desktop? 

I'm fine with the default desktop of W7 without having to "get it to do something".

Of course, once you reestablish the desktop, an inexperienced user won't be able to tell you what is running

under the hood. 

 

So, what is the real benefit apart from the "stellar look"?

M$ gets you closer to their appstore?

Eats up more resources?

So, what is the real benefit apart from the "stellar look"?

M$ gets you closer to their appstore?

Eats up more resources?

Gets an ongoing revenue stream like Office 365?

once I changed the defaults to the desktop apps instead of Metro and got it to boot to the desktop it was fine as well.

What about the whole new and shiny thing, when you scrap it to be on your well-known desktop? 

I'm fine with the default desktop of W7 without having to "get it to do something".

Of course, once you reestablish the desktop, an inexperienced user won't be able to tell you what is running

under the hood. 

 

So, what is the real benefit apart from the "stellar look"?

M$ gets you closer to their appstore?

Eats up more resources?

 

For me here are the benefits:

- Continuum - I use a Surface Pro so the switch back/forth between keyboard/mouse and touch will be handy

- XBOX integration - limited value as it stands, but definitely of interest

- Cortana - has the potential to change how you interact with your PC

- Universal Apps - being able to run the same app on your phone, pc and xbox (potentially anyways).

- Virtual Desktops

 

There will likely be more, but this is a good start.

 

As for eating up resources, maybe it does, but who cares? I am not trying to run this on a Pentium Pro with 1GB of memory. I am a tech enthusiast who is willing to buy hardware that will meet my requirements and ensure a reasonable performance.

 

There are lots of benefits of moving forward for those who are not stuck in the past.

once I changed the defaults to the desktop apps instead of Metro and got it to boot to the desktop it was fine as well.

What about the whole new and shiny thing, when you scrap it to be on your well-known desktop? 

I'm fine with the default desktop of W7 without having to "get it to do something".

Of course, once you reestablish the desktop, an inexperienced user won't be able to tell you what is running

under the hood. 

 

Again, this was for 70+ year old parents. For me I was fine with a mix of metro/desktop, though prefer the 8.1 implementation. However there is nothing wrong with taking something new, keeping the aspects that are useful to you and modifying those that are not. 

 

People can always find something to bitch about, but most of it just seems to be so they can hear their own voice (or read their own words).

For me here are the benefits:

- Continuum - I use a Surface Pro so the switch back/forth between keyboard/mouse and touch will be handy

- XBOX integration - limited value as it stands, but definitely of interest

- Cortana - has the potential to change how you interact with your PC

- Universal Apps - being able to run the same app on your phone, pc and xbox (potentially anyways).

- Virtual Desktops

 

Well, if you use those features, it's probably the perfect OS for you.

In my case it's definitely not, because there is nothing from your list that I can use or don't already use.

 

I'm also into tech, but in the first place my Windows is used as an OS. And all I need from Windows is its OS functionality and stability.

And when I need an OS, I don't want to have a bloatware package.

I like to have those things installed that I need, and not what M$ thinks that I have to need/like.

 

Many people I know, don't want to spend money for other hardware, just to have the OS and M$Office running.

My hardware is up-to-date, but I know people who have exactly this usecase, most of them fairly older than me.

They don't need anything from the list above!

And I can tell, they were really "excited" when I told them they have to learn how M$ wants them to use the new Office UI.

 

Trust me, I don't need to read my own words.

It just seems to me that W10 is not really that big OS improvement after all and needs to be hyped a little bit in order not to end up even worse than W8. 

 

Which profit-oriented company is throwing a full OS on the market for free? Why?

Apparently people stop thinking if something is for free!

Classic Shell goes a long way to making 8/8.1 work for me. It implements the start menu. I do not use any Metro apps.

 

I am confused with the free update. It is unclear if it is free for users that update within the first year, or time limited to one year. Having a time limited OS sorta sucks.

 

I can see moving to it on my primary machine (surface pro 3), but various VMs will likely stay where they are if otherwise it would mean spending $25 (a guess) a piece per year for each of them. Calling it a free update if this is indeed the plan seems disingenuous. Turning in a forever license for a one year subscription is not a free upgrade by my definition and decidedly self serving for M$.

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Part of me wants to believe that this is the only thing you post on forums.

 

Also the technology is impressive.

I know he also posts about beer because I replied to one earlier.

 

That is a reasonable alternative.  I want to believe.

I supposed I deserve some ridicule for that.  Perhaps I should expound on my thought process, to reduce the ire of the more puritanical among us. 

 

I read a great article a few years ago that talked in quite a bit of detail about how the rise of online pornography contributed to the development and refinement of many internet technologies.  Things like E-Commerce, streaming video and compression.  The writer of the article gave examples of how this or that specific feature or iteration of an existing technology was used for the first time in a porn related thing.  My guess is that this new Hololens technology will be no different.  I'm at work right now, so I obviously can't do much web searching related to this, but when I get home tonight I'll try to find the article. 

I supposed I deserve some ridicule for that.  Perhaps I should expound on my thought process, to reduce the ire of the more puritanical among us. 

I certainly didn't intend ridicule. More like esprit de corps.

... I am confused with the free update. It is unclear if it is free for users that update within the first year, or time limited to one year. Having a time limited OS sorta sucks.

 

I don't have any direct knowledge of the plans, but do have some contacts within Microsoft as a result of my MVP status, and my understanding of what's likely is that the OS upgrade will be free (no time limits or subscription fees), but that they will be encouraging a few subscription add-ons, such as OneDrive storage, Office 365, Skype Unlimited, Xbox Live, etc.    These are already available for Windows 7 or 8, so it's not really anything new ... and certainly nothing you have to have.    In fact, the traditional Office versions (2003, 2007, 2010, etc.) all work just fine in Windows 10 ... and the free viewers are all still available and work just fine as well.    Live Mail 2011 still works fine as well (a better choice than the final Live Mail 2012, which has some bugs that apparently are never going to be resolved) if you want a Microsoft mail client and don't have Outlook.

 

Unless the ultimate licensing scheme is different than what I anticipate, I can think of no reason not to upgrade -- as bkastner said, Windows 10 is a "... nice blend of 7/8 with some nice additions."   

 

I doubt that I'd recommend PAYING for the upgrade if you're already running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 ... but if it's indeed a free upgrade it's a very nice blend of the best features of both.    Microsoft definitely seems to have gotten it right this time.

 

[They seem to do this every-other cycle !!  '98 was excellent;  ME was not;  XP was excellent; Vista was not (although by SP2 it was fine);  '7 was excellent; '8 was not (although, like Vista, once they released 8.1 it was fine); '10 seems like it's going to be excellent.]

 

 

... I am confused with the free update. It is unclear if it is free for users that update within the first year, or time limited to one year. Having a time limited OS sorta sucks.

 

I don't have any direct knowledge of the plans, but do have some contacts within Microsoft as a result of my MVP status, and my understanding of what's likely is that the OS upgrade will be free (no time limits or subscription fees), but that they will be encouraging a few subscription add-ons, such as OneDrive storage, Office 365, Skype Unlimited, Xbox Live, etc.    These are already available for Windows 7 or 8, so it's not really anything new ... and certainly nothing you have to have.    In fact, the traditional Office versions (2003, 2007, 2010, etc.) all work just fine in Windows 10 ... and the free viewers are all still available and work just fine as well.    Live Mail 2011 still works fine as well (a better choice than the final Live Mail 2012, which has some bugs that apparently are never going to be resolved) if you want a Microsoft mail client and don't have Outlook.

 

Unless the ultimate licensing scheme is different than what I anticipate, I can think of no reason not to upgrade -- as bkastner said, Windows 10 is a "... nice blend of 7/8 with some nice additions."   

 

I doubt that I'd recommend PAYING for the upgrade if you're already running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 ... but if it's indeed a free upgrade it's a very nice blend of the best features of both.    Microsoft definitely seems to have gotten it right this time.

 

[They seem to do this every-other cycle !!  '98 was excellent;  ME was not;  XP was excellent; Vista was not (although by SP2 it was fine);  '7 was excellent; '8 was not (although, like Vista, once they released 8.1 it was fine); '10 seems like it's going to be excellent.]

 

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195592-with-windows-10-microsoft-could-move-to-a-subscription-based-model

 

You can ignore him, he is just the COO.

 

They are copying Apple.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/15/01/21/free.upgrade.to.windows.10.offered.to.previous.versions.for.one.year.after.launch/

 

 

You would be crazy to not upgrade, or at least make it look like you did.