6.6.3-- IE11 does not work.

Changed Status to Open

Changed Priority to Annoyance

IE11 is dead. Microsoft stopped development of IE11 in 2016.

It doesn't support the latest standards for HTML, CSS and JS.

Use a current browser instead. The GUI is tested with Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Safari and Brave.

 

Edited October 24, 2018 by bonienl

Changed Status to Closed

While IE11 is indeed effectively dead, but it IS still included with Win10 and there are a lot of folks who still use it … and the simple fact is the GUI worked just fine with it until this release.    Agree it's just an "Annoyance" that it doesn't work -- but clearly it could.

 

16 hours ago, garycase said:

there are a lot of folks who still use it …

Estimated IE11 browser share is 3% and declining.

Unraid 6.6 uses more HTML5 coding, which is not supported by IE11.

Edited October 25, 2018 by bonienl

16 hours ago, garycase said:

While IE11 is indeed effectively dead, but it IS still included with Win10 and there are a lot of folks who still use it … and the simple fact is the GUI worked just fine with it until this release.    Agree it's just an "Annoyance" that it doesn't work -- but clearly it could.

 

I think Microsoft includes it only to appease enterprises who still have web sites that are written to work only on IE. No end user should still be using IE. It not only does not conform to modern JavaScript and HTML, etc. it is also completely insecure. IMHO, IE should not be automatically installed on Windows.

 

There is no reason a modern web site should be made to run on IE.

57 minutes ago, bonienl said:

Unraid 6.6 uses more HTML5 coding, which is not supported by IE11.

That explains why it doesn't work -- but it really necessary to break compatibility with IE (since all previous versions worked fine with it)

 

57 minutes ago, bonienl said:

Estimated IE11 browser share is 3% and declining.

I suppose there are other surveys that show this, but the netmarketshare data for the latest month shows IE at 9.94% … ahead of every other browser except Chrome.

 

 

We don't have the resources to support yet another outdated browser and we can't stop utilizing modern browser technology to improve the product.  Maybe we can add a warning: Your browser is not compatible, please use latest version of either Edge, Chrome, FireFox, Safari, or Brave.

36 minutes ago, limetech said:

We don't have the resources to support yet another outdated browser and we can't stop utilizing modern browser technology to improve the product.  Maybe we can add a warning: Your browser is not compatible, please use latest version of either Edge, Chrome, FireFox, Safari, or Brave.

That sounds like a reasonable approach.   At least that way the users will know what the problem is rather than continually getting this raised as a support question.

2 hours ago, itimpi said:

That sounds like a reasonable approach.   At least that way the users will know what the problem is rather than continually getting this raised as a support question.

+1    😃

Agree -- a simple note that makes it clear it's not supported is all that's needed.   Lack of support for the latest HTML version is ample justification -- my point above was that a small market share isn't a good reason … IE has more market share than Firefox, Edge, Safari, and Brave.

 

15 hours ago, garycase said:

IE has more market share than Firefox, Edge, Safari, and Brave.

Maybe for the entire "market" but among people using Unraid OS the IE market share approaches 0%.

On 10/25/2018 at 5:21 PM, garycase said:

I suppose there are other surveys that show this, but the netmarketshare data for the latest month shows IE at 9.94% …

Pretty sure biggest part of that number are corporate users, and still stuck on IE11 due to company policy.

This is getting even worse now.  Not only does IE have problems, but Netscape Navigator doesn't work properly 

 

THIS HAS TO BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY

Edited October 27, 2018 by Squid

4 minutes ago, Squid said:

This is getting even worse now.  Not only does IE have problems, but Netscape Navigator doesn't work properly

 

THIS HAS TO BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY

You forgot the BIG laughing Emoji!   

2 minutes ago, Frank1940 said:

You forgot the BIG laughing Emoji!   

I beginning to think I should downgrade unRaid to version 3.x because of these issues.

 

6 minutes ago, Squid said:

I beginning to think I should downgrade unRaid to version 3.x because of these issues.

😂!!!   I had to make my previous comment because I would bet 40% of the current Unraid users have heard of Netscape Navigator. 

Just an Update here:

 

I figured that maybe, just maybe NN was out of date, so I checked for updates and I am running the latest version of it, so there has to be something wrong elsewhere...

Silly........

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 2:42 PM, bonienl said:

Pretty sure biggest part of that number are corporate users, and still stuck on IE11 due to company policy.

If that's the case, then these companies are being excluded from using UnRAID with the latest version.

2 hours ago, Squid said:

Just an Update here:

 

I figured that maybe, just maybe NN was out of date, so I checked for updates and I am running the latest version of it, so there has to be something wrong elsewhere...

😀

I rather doubt you're running ANY version of it 😉

 

There is, however, a difference between no support for IE11 and no support for Netscape.

 

Netscape actually preceded the first version of Internet Explorer (1994 vs 1995).    Although Navigator did gain some market share in the late 1990's, it "fizzled" rather rapidly in the early 2000's and has not had any updates or support for well over a decade.

 

The story is quite different for IE, which evolved through 11 versions, the latest of which is still supported by Microsoft and will be until April 14, 2020 for mainstream support and Oct 14 2025 for extended support.  [These are the Windows 10 lifecycle dates; and Microsoft has clearly stated that "... IE 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 10"]

 

I don't really care if it works with UnRAID or not … I simply noted that as of 6.6.3 it does not, but it DID work just fine with all previous versions of the GUI, so this was something that "broke" with that update.   Trivial to resolve by just using another browser -- unless, as bonienl suggested above, the user is in a corporation which requires IE11 as a corporate policy.

 

 

Was just curious if I had any copies of Netscape "buried" in my old archives -- found copies of v2, v4.7, and v7 🙂

 

Not going to try them on Windows 10 -- I'm sure they won't work.

'Nor am I going to try a REALLY ancient utility I remembered as I was wading through the archives -- UniDOS … a CP/M emulator than runs under MSDOS.    I do recall that this works fine on XP … and a few years ago I confirmed it also works on an XP virtual machine -- so I COULD (if I was so inclined) actually run CP/M on my nice new Core i7 Windows 10 machine under an XP VM 😄

 

… then I could run my old Beta v0.70 of WordStar (circa 1979 when I was a Beta tester for MicroPro)

 

12 hours ago, garycase said:

Not going to try them on Windows 10 -- I'm sure they won't work.

Surprising, v9 (last version) does install on Win 10 64 bit.  Took a bit of searching though to find a download of it when it popped into my head to make a joke  

49 minutes ago, Squid said:

Surprising, v9 (last version) does install on Win 10 64 bit.  Took a bit of searching though to find a download of it when it popped into my head to make a joke  

 

Does it work at all for many websites?   Does it work with Unraid? (Inquiring minds always need to know!)