pras1011 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Is there a way to update the hdd by using a laptop with a estata pci express card and a esata hdd exclosure? Link to comment
slaveunit Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Just curious...how does a laptop have a pci express card in it? Link to comment
pras1011 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Its has a expresscard slot on the side of the laptop. Link to comment
wsume99 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 The EARS and the Seagate LP have potential problems in how long they will work for due to their load/unload cycle problems. Why not just disable the IDLE3 timer on the WD drives and then you won't have to worry about load cycles? Am I missing something? Link to comment
slaveunit Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 IF you can boot into DOS from a flash drive and it will see the esata port, I dont see why it wouldnt work. Link to comment
pras1011 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I have DOS 7.1 on my usb drive. I run the patch but it doesn't see the esata express card. Link to comment
Joe L. Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I have DOS 7.1 on my usb drive. I run the patch but it doesn't see the esata express card. MS-Dos had no SATA drivers... never did. Even Win-XP did not. Not sure what you should do but I can guarantee you'll be in good company. I think you'll need to be on a motherboard where the drive can be set to emulate an IDE drive. (Known a legacy mode in some BIOS) Link to comment
slaveunit Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I have a plain jane Gigabyte MB with the drive connected via sata. I didnt look to see if I had any legacy enabled but the update worked fine on it. Pras1011 did you try the page I linked for the DOS system files? Once you build that you just copy the samsung file on it and boot from the flash then run the samsung exe file. Link to comment
pras1011 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I haven't tried it. I am going to get a PC to be on the safe side. I just wanted to let you know the firmware version will not change after flashing. The version did not change because it takes a long time to get customers approval for change notices. It would have taken over a month before we could have released the fix. Please make sure that for each drive the flashing process is successful… We have already implemented the fix to our production. So drives available on the market in 2 months time will have the fix applied. To be sure check the manufacturing date on the drives, January 2011 would be safer… Link to comment
LaurentHU Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 > Ouch I have 2 of them running!!!! Well, gotta patch firmware then... What's the best way of doing it? Anyboddy having experience? Shall I just unplug all disks but the Samsung ones and update them 1 by 1 in the UnRaid server? Link to comment
slaveunit Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 > Ouch I have 2 of them running!!!! Well, gotta patch firmware then... What's the best way of doing it? Anyboddy having experience? Shall I just unplug all disks but the Samsung ones and update them 1 by 1 in the UnRaid server? You could try reading one page back where I posted "I think the easiest way to do this is". I didn't check to see if my data was erased from the drive. Before I updated it I took it out of the array and started the array without it. That way it would rebuild after the update. I did only have one data drive that was a samsung F4. Link to comment
LaurentHU Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Yes I saw your post, and actually managed to create a bootable DOS USB stick following the instructions - HP program and Dos files -, and did put the firmware file on it. Tried it on a test machine, works very well - it scanned all disks and did nothing because the Samsung drives were not there. I'm now doing a parity check on my Unraid rig, read only, to assess damages before doing firmware upgrade... Maybe OK since I had NCQ disabled? The different websites are not clear whether that really saves you or not... So far 11%, and 0 faults. Since I have 2 drives, not much I can do anyway! Link to comment
LaurentHU Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Ok, so results of the day : * 0 faults on parity check - makes me think the issue is not that common in "normal" Unraid situation. I have the disk since almost a month, they are more than 50% full, and I do write a lot to them - I have a cache drive but I also do update on existing files. I'm using unmenu and I look at it frequently. * firmware update worked like a charm - just had to boot on DOS USB stick on my rig, run the Samsung program, and it scanned all disks, found the 2 faulty disks and patched them (with confirmation). Since then rig running, nothing to declare. So maybe I was damn lucky, maybe not all drives were faulty, but in my case much more noise than harm... Wish it's the same for all folks there. Link to comment
Giraffeninja Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 The issue doesn't occur in normal unRaid use, it could only show up if you were running add ons on the server (like unmenu) and only if the drives were connected using ahci. Link to comment
LaurentHU Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Precisely I am running unmenu and the drives use AHCI... Link to comment
BRiT Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 * firmware update worked like a charm - just had to boot on DOS USB stick on my rig, run the Samsung program, and it scanned all disks, found the 2 faulty disks and patched them (with confirmation). Since then rig running, nothing to declare. How do you know the firmware update worked? You don't! That's right, no one knows if the firmware flash was successful unless they attempt to reproduce the bug that corrupts your data. Link to comment
LaurentHU Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Well yes you're right you can't know for sure - but the firmware update program tells it to you very clearly. So I agree it's a big issue they didn't update the firmware version, but again when you run the program it tells you very clearly that the update was successful. Link to comment
prostuff1 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Well yes you're right you can't know for sure - but the firmware update program tells it to you very clearly. So I agree it's a big issue they didn't update the firmware version, but again when you run the program it tells you very clearly that the update was successful. True, but do you really think it is that hard to print "success" on the screen no matter what happens. They should have changed the versioning number, plain and simple. Link to comment
BRiT Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 That's the exact same link included in the first post and what started this entire thread. Link to comment
Copey Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Mmm, I think I may have had a similar problem with Samsung HD103SI drives Recently started using unmenu 'mymain' to check write/transfer speeds whenever I send data to my server, and (by coincidence) I've gone thro' a bunch of HD103SI drives! I had put it down to a faulty batch of drives, but now I'm not so sure, I'm not blaming umenu... but simply pointing out the link. AFAIK, unmenu seems to work ok with other HDD brands??? Link to comment
Joe L. Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Mmm, I think I may have had a similar problem with Samsung HD103SI drives Recently started using unmenu 'mymain' to check write/transfer speeds whenever I send data to my server, and (by coincidence) I've gone thro' a bunch of HD103SI drives! I had put it down to a faulty batch of drives, but now I'm not so sure, I'm not blaming umenu... but simply pointing out the link. AFAIK, unmenu seems to work ok with other HDD brands??? unMENU only reports on the disk statistics stored by OS and by bwm-ng. So... don't blame the messenger. Link to comment
BRiT Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 If there is a problem with the Samsung HD103SI drives too put the blame where it belongs, with Samsung. It does not belong with the standardized OS or drive tools. It falls squarely on the drive manufacturer. Link to comment
Copey Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Hi Joe L. Apologies, not shooting the messenger at all. I'm not a Linux guru by any measure, so please forgive my ignorance I had experienced 100% reliability using 10 of these drives until I started using unmenu. I'm assuming that I am calling the 'identify' command whilst I'm fumbling around unmenu and triggering the fault? I have already contacted Samsung to advise them of this issue... I just hope that they are prepared to do something about it! Cheers Link to comment
Joe L. Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Hi Joe L. Apologies, not shooting the messenger at all. I'm not a Linux guru by any measure, so please forgive my ignorance I had experienced 100% reliability using 10 of these drives until I started using unmenu. I'm assuming that I am calling the 'identify' command whilst I'm fumbling around unmenu and triggering the fault? I have already contacted Samsung to advise them of this issue... I just hope that they are prepared to do something about it! Cheers They've already issues an upgrade for their firmware that causes incomplete "writes" of blocks in their internal queue. That is a completely different issue than the one you are reporting of slow performance. That could be a driver issue, or a disk controller issue, or a cabling issue, or even a power supply issue in addition to firmware on the specific disk not working well with the default buffer sizes as set by the unRAID disk driver. As far as the disks working well under windows... how did you know? did you run the same types of tests and timings? I'm certain many people "think" their disks are working well when they are no set up for optimum performance compared to their competitors and I know I've never run my window's disk through the same measurements for performance. Link to comment
furymaster Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Hi, as a frequent reader of this forum I realise that the F4 is having issues with unRaid. As I am currently planing some kind of "Movie Monster" I've been wondering if there are some different versions of the Samsung F4. Here is what I've found out: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f15/samsung-f1-f2-f3-f4-festplatten-4-a-752441.html HD204UI - "512B" HD204UI/Z4 - "4K Sector" HD204UI/UZ4 - "4K Sector with 512B Emulation" Question is - which of these three is the one with the "performance issue"? Are they all the same? Or is one of them useful with the current version of unRaid? Thank you, Herbert P.S.: Having some 6000+ DVDs laying around, my options are a) recruiting some space from my wife (bad option, very low WAF) b) building an unRaid Server (better option, WAF yet to be tested) P.P.S.: Excuse my bad english. Learned english in school, but I have very seldom contact to native speakers... Link to comment
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