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I have a dual Xeon e5 2670 server that idles at 80w but Windows VM's can push it to 140w when they are updating, have a browser tab open to some spammy web pages (thats most of the pages these days), or doing something silently inside that only Microsoft knows about. It's not always though, so you should see a well behaved Win10 vm sitting silently at rest and hardly consuming any additional power. Give it time and see if it stabilizes. What does the Win10 task manager show for cpu activity from the vm? I have found that this correlates well with server power usage. It would be nice to put VM's sleep and be able to waken them remotely, even if they don't have passed through video. Presently, the only way this can happen is if you go to the unRaid GUI Dashboard or VM screen and rewaken the VM's. Sleeping VM's don't suck power.

@nuhill is getting these numbers because it is inside a VM that had direct access to the disks. (not over 10gbit network) This might really twist your concept and plans, but unRaid can have multiple passed through video cards to multiple VM's. In this use case, your existing video editing workstation is no longer required as you are video editing on a Mac or Windows Virtual Machine that is running on your unRaid server. In this case you will be needing 32+ GB ram, and possibly a dual CPU on unRaid so it can share with the VM's. That way the numbers that nuhill posted are totally possible. See the Linux tech tips YouTube video about 2 gamers on 1pc. There are many gamers doing this, but not so much documentation about creatives. As nuhill states unRaid is a flexible beast.

When you install nerdpack, you are only making it possible to install the things included. It doesn't automatically install anything. If you do much ssh or telnet stuff, you'll likely want utempter and screen installed, to allow background processing to continue even if the ssh or telnet session terminates. But if you don't do any geeky stuff, you may not need it. I am agreed that unnecessary software is better removed, but if you decide to keep it, it should be updated.

Microsoft RDP does this real well with Windows VM's Note FAQ is reserved and wasn't meant for support. Mods feel free to clean this up.

There are many exploring what might be useful from a security standpoint. At one end you have the Snowden approved solutions like Qubes, but we all don't have Snowden's problems. @jonp is suggesting that some additional features may be added to unRaid that I would love to use for increased security in the blog Maybe

Most use long HDMI / USB cables as they are most cost effective. It sure will be nice when TB3 comes down to USB price levels. Linuxtechtips gets their hardware early, and without some of the costly decisions that we have to make. @SSD uses these USB and these HDMI cables for intermediate length runs.

Someday we need to rename to the unRaid APP store.

I guess I'll have to try pass through graphics someday. Since my laptop lives on my desk, and gaming is not needed, I haven't felt the need so far. Haven't you had occasions where not having a laptop handy and being locked out of your VM has been a problem? I find that VMs really need to be put to sleep to reduce server power usage. But once they are asleep they can't be woken up with RDP.

I have never installed pass through graphics. The need to have a monitor attached to the server that is wailing like a banshee totally turns me off. The server belongs deep underground, buried in the bowels of the earth, where it can never be heard. The connection to it is by Ethernet cable, and RDP gives very good performance for Win clients. For remote connections to VM's in other locations, Teamviewer is what I use. VNC is great for terminal access to linux VM's but sluggish for graphics. I tried SplashTop desktop, but was underwhelmed. I need to try No Machine and see what I am missing. Overall Microsoft RDP between Windows VMs and a Windows laptop is so good and so easy that it's difficult to recommend other solutions. I'm guessing you want to be as far away as possible from the beast and connect with your laptop. If you need faster than gigabit connection, it is a bit more challenging. Others have wired long distance cables for monitor, mouse and keyboard, so it is possible, but not easy or simple.

Yeah it could be blank, or it could have data. It's just that the array needs a luks drive first then unassigned devices can pick up the luks key.

The easy way would have been to temporarily add an encrypted drive to the array with the same luks pw as the one you wanted to attach via unassigned devices. Once this is done, unassigned devices will mount it. unRaid is limited to one luks pw for all the drives encrypted, and the array needs one luks drive first before unassigned devices can pick the pw up from it.

Yeah, 400 watts idle is old school power draw. You will notice it especially if she will be running 24x7. My dual Xeon 2670 rig can idle as low as 75w. But normal power usage is about 130w and that is for 16 cores 32 threads

That Dell 900 will be great for playing around with. Lots of RAM and ports. The only thing is it may be a little thirsty for power. Of course that will depend on how it's configured, and how hard you run it. How many watts does it pull when it's idling?

Each VM can be thought of as a complete separate computer. Taking up RAM whether it needs it out not. If you will be running VM's install lots of RAM in your server. Likely your web and mail servers will need a VM each or maybe if they play nicely together they can share a VM. Perhaps the following might help. Plugins share everything Dockers share a lot, but have some compartmentalization VM's share almost nothing.

Hey Julian, expect awesome help for your data hoarding (music and movies especially), but hosting email servers and websites is less commonly done. It will still work fine via VM provided you have skills in that area. It's just the community here isn't so deeply experienced along those lines. Glad you're here as we need more people who use unRaid in other creative ways.

You're using unRaid I'm a way that only a few of us are. When I bought my version it was 8 years ago we were still on version 4. I'd give you better than 50-50 odds that once the licence key is in place, you'll not need a call home, but it's not certain.

Yes, but only available via CLI at present. Are you using VM snapshots today?

Do you mean? I want my VM to behave like a live CD image? Nothing saved, and a VM restart completely takes it back to original status? Snapshots implemented in the VM manager would make this easy to achieve. I am very interested in snapshots for unRaid VM. I use different VM for different tasks like[mention=62528]jonp[/mention] alludes in the OP but gaming isn't one of them. Today I need to take frequent Macrimum Reflect backups of my VM to allow for rollback. An implementation like vmWare workstation for snapshots and rollback would be very handy

+1

More and more, security becomes the the concern. But, Qubes is an adventure too far for many just looking for a daily driver. Maybe someday?

This use of VM's for security mirrors the ideas behind Qubes, a Snowden approved Fedora security focused distribution (https://www.qubes-os.org/) Is this where we are going??

Everyone who responded to you was an unRaid user. Nobody gets any benefit whether you buy or not. It is the quality of the community that is the real value here. We don't have much drama. If you like that you'll like unRaid. If you are looking for drama this might not be for you.

This is not just an ASrock issue. With Intel 2600cp in Intel P4000 chassis I get the following log spamming. Dynamix system Temperature on the unRaid dashboard is reporting Array Started100 C81 CunRaid webGui. I'll use this Dynamix CPU temp (the first of the 2 shown) to show how rogue Windows VM's are mostly to blame. At this time the system should have been idling early in the morning. This is with 3 Win10 VM's running, pfSense and a Transmission docker. unRaid dashboard was reporting that 2 of the 3 VM''s were flashing over 50% utilization of their allocated CPU cores. Investigating the VM's showed that Firefox and Chrome were pulling a lot of CPU in the VM's. One was related to a sitting at a youtube screen, and the other was sitting at the unRaid dashboard. Closing those browser tabs helped a bit, bringing cpu temp down to about 90C. Killing the worst offending VM brought CPU temp down to 74 C. Killing the Transmission dropped temp to 73 C, killing pfSense didn't change anything, killing the second Win10 VM also had minimal impact, but now Dynamix is showing 70 C58 C. This seems to be about the baseline for this box with no dockers or VM's running. Jul 11 08:48:39 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42758769) Jul 11 08:48:39 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:48:41 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 40455975) Jul 11 08:48:41 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Core temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU14: Core temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU28: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU12: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU14: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU24: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU8: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU25: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU9: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU10: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU26: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU11: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU27: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU29: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU13: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU15: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU31: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:39 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:53:41 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 40479777) Jul 11 08:53:41 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Core temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU14: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 40504114) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU12: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808178) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU28: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808195) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU24: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808325) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU8: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808322) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU9: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808346) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU25: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808351) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU10: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808345) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU26: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808348) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU11: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808337) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU27: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808352) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU29: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808357) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU13: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808349) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU31: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808339) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU15: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808334) Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU28: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU12: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU8: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU24: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU25: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU9: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU26: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU10: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU27: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU11: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU13: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU29: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU15: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU31: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:35 Tower99 kernel: CPU14: Core temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:39 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 42808190) Jul 11 08:58:39 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Package temperature/speed normal Jul 11 08:58:41 Tower99 kernel: CPU30: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 40504573)

If you don't like what we have today just load up 4.7. @bonienl and helpers deserve a lot of credit for getting us this far. If you create a mock-up and post it, I'm sure you'll get some feedback. The forum is quite open-minded

Minor inconvenience Create a new unRaid flash drive on fresh thumb drive. Install unRaid trial. Connect only your cache. You should be able to view your boot backups and then you could even restore them to the newly created flash drive and bring everything back online. If you decide the old flash is getting past it's best used by date, simply transfer your licence to this new flash, and pitch the old one in the trash.