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You have a point. Problem is difficult to find xeon e5 V2 boards in micro atx form factor. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have NoMachine installed on the VM itself. But on the desktop that is to access the VM, I also have NoMachine installed, to be able to access the VM.

Hi. I want some help in designing a more poweful Unraid server. Things that need to remain constant: Existing Fractal Design Node 804 My existing Unraid server has 11 drives. 10 of which are 3.5" HDDs, and 1 2.5" SSD for cache. I have a Supermicro X9scm-F server board with Xeon E3-1240 v2 processor. It has an Nvidia GTX1070 8 GB GPU, that takes up 2.5 PCIe slots. I have a Dell Perc H310 in IT mode for all the drives. So this case that your seeing above, is literally packed, and no more room for expansion. There's a 1/2 PCIe slot of space, if you consider that a space It is very compact, and I love it. Reason for upgrade: My processor is quite old. Would like to have more cores, and a bit more power to play some games (Fortnite for the kids, Cities Skylines for me). I suspect the processor is not that powerful enough for my Cities Skylines. As for the Fortnite experience for my kid, I am not sure. Possibly because of moonlight streaming from the Unraid box? Using Wired Gigabit. But still laggy. Area to place all these equipment is the bookshelf. 19" depth Want to have: 1. Neat (cool looking) 2. It has to be quiet 3. Powerful enough, requires GPU My considerations so far: Seemingly, to have multiple 1U or at most, short depth 2U servers stacked up look somewhat cool, and can be camouflaged in the bookshelf if it's silent enough. Well not really camouflaged, but you get the idea. Currently, I have a modem, a 24 port switch, and a 1U short depth rackmount Supermicro (my firewall) stacked 1 on top of the other. This looks clean. So to add to this stacked up look, am looking at 1U or 2U at most. Has to be short depth. Has to be quiet, but has to be able to take a GPU that occupies 2.5 slots of PCIe. Looking at something like this: It takes E-ATX motherboards, so pretty much anything. It's 17" in depth. But it's 1U, so it won't take my GPU. Being 1U, it's also not quiet. But I hope people see why I want this form factor, to add to the stack of 1Us mentioned above. Maybe add a card to connect to my Fractal Box that contains all the drives. If I need to replace GPU, I hope it's at least the same power as the GTX1070. I believe the Quadro P4000 is about as powerful, that occupies only 1 PCIe slot (from the pictures I see). But it's expensive. Planning to use at least a Xeon E5-2600 V2 series processor, to give me enough cores, and some power. Prices are quite cheap now. Intend to use eBay as my supplier I mean I have a shoestring budget. The GPU is something I cannot figure out. How to get this setup up.

@sonofdbn, Thank you for your input. I tried Nomachine. I didn't like the many options presented when starting VM, seems overly complicated. So far, no other persons coming forward to give any better options :D I guess Nomachine is it.

I tried Teamviewer, I dislike the sluggishness. With VNC, seem to work very fast, and light. Though I don't have audio. Can't recall the experience with NoMachine though.

Yup, basic sound is ok already. What's the best client to use?

I created a new Linux Mint 19.1 VM. Accessing from my windows PC, I was wondering what will be the best way to access my VM, and allow it to have audio. Currently, I didn't passthrough any GPU, neither does my motherboard have sound card, so no sound as well.

noted jordanmw, thank you!

RDP doesn't cut it though. So apart from Moonlight, I don't have any other idea.

got it!

@Warrentheo, I gave it a try, and got this: VM creation error XML error: The PCI controller with index='0' must be model='pcie-root' for this machine type, but model='pci-root' was found instead

Thank you @Warrentheo. Will give it a shot. @jordanmw, then my question is, what is causing lag in mouse. It's the main thing that annoys me. I'm streaming 1080p. I'm using wired 1 Gbe, my Intel nuc has Intel Nic, my switch is HP Gigabit switch, and my Supermicro board has dual Intel Nic, with only 1 nic being used.

Hi @Warrentheo, thank you for your input. I always thought though my games aren't in much hurry (except for Fortnite), it won't be CPU intensive. Come to think of it, you are right. Since simulation is being done, it will use up a lot of CPU power. And I also agree 8 GB is required. I'll try to assign 3 cores/ 3 threads to it, so at least I get around 3.5 cores . Is it safe to change VM to Q35? Do I just select Q35, and save, and start? I saw this from Unraid wiki- Is it still suggested? If you're sayign Q35 is the newer system (chipset), then I'm all for it as well.

I assigned 2 cores, 2 threads to it. The games I'm trying to play is Fortnite, and Tropico 4, via Steam, Cities Skylines Via Steam. Of the 3 games, I think Fortnite has the most issue, as the later two games are not in any hurry . I can bump it to 8 GB, but I'm not sure if that will improve my mouse response? <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> <domain type='kvm' id='1'> <name>Windows 10 again</name> <uuid>3504bd7b-e5bb-828c-8e9d-aa680ef8a678</uuid> <description>test #2</description> <metadata> <vmtemplate xmlns="unraid" name="Windows 10" icon="windows.png" os="windows10"/> </metadata> <memory unit='KiB'>4194304</memory> <currentMemory unit='KiB'>4194304</currentMemory> <memoryBacking> <nosharepages/> </memoryBacking> <vcpu placement='static'>4</vcpu> <cputune> <vcpupin vcpu='0' cpuset='1'/> <vcpupin vcpu='1' cpuset='5'/> <vcpupin vcpu='2' cpuset='3'/> <vcpupin vcpu='3' cpuset='7'/> </cputune> <resource> <partition>/machine</partition> </resource> <os> <type arch='x86_64' machine='pc-i440fx-3.0'>hvm</type> <loader readonly='yes' type='pflash'>/usr/share/qemu/ovmf-x64/OVMF_CODE-pure-efi.fd</loader> <nvram>/etc/libvirt/qemu/nvram/3504bd7b-e5bb-828c-8e9d-aa680ef8a678_VARS-pure-efi.fd</nvram> </os> <features> <acpi/> <apic/> </features> <cpu mode='host-passthrough' check='none'> <topology sockets='1' cores='2' threads='2'/> </cpu> <clock offset='localtime'> <timer name='rtc' tickpolicy='catchup'/> <timer name='pit' tickpolicy='delay'/> <timer name='hpet' present='no'/> </clock> <on_poweroff>destroy</on_poweroff> <on_reboot>restart</on_reboot> <on_crash>restart</on_crash> <devices> <emulator>/usr/local/sbin/qemu</emulator> <disk type='file' device='disk'> <driver name='qemu' type='raw' cache='writeback'/> <source file='/mnt/cache/VMs/Windows 7/vdisk1.img'/> <backingStore/> <target dev='hdc' bus='virtio'/> <boot order='1'/> <alias name='virtio-disk2'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x04' function='0x0'/> </disk> <disk type='file' device='cdrom'> <driver name='qemu' type='raw'/> <source file='/mnt/user/iso/virtio-win-0.1.102.iso'/> <backingStore/> <target dev='hdb' bus='ide'/> <readonly/> <alias name='ide0-0-1'/> <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='1'/> </disk> <controller type='usb' index='0' model='ich9-ehci1'> <alias name='usb'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x07' function='0x7'/> </controller> <controller type='usb' index='0' model='ich9-uhci1'> <alias name='usb'/> <master startport='0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x07' function='0x0' multifunction='on'/> </controller> <controller type='usb' index='0' model='ich9-uhci2'> <alias name='usb'/> <master startport='2'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x07' function='0x1'/> </controller> <controller type='usb' index='0' model='ich9-uhci3'> <alias name='usb'/> <master startport='4'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x07' function='0x2'/> </controller> <controller type='pci' index='0' model='pci-root'> <alias name='pci.0'/> </controller> <controller type='ide' index='0'> <alias name='ide'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x01' function='0x1'/> </controller> <controller type='virtio-serial' index='0'> <alias name='virtio-serial0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x03' function='0x0'/> </controller> <interface type='bridge'> <mac address='52:54:00:ea:df:3b'/> <source bridge='br0'/> <target dev='vnet0'/> <model type='virtio'/> <alias name='net0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x02' function='0x0'/> </interface> <serial type='pty'> <source path='/dev/pts/0'/> <target type='isa-serial' port='0'> <model name='isa-serial'/> </target> <alias name='serial0'/> </serial> <console type='pty' tty='/dev/pts/0'> <source path='/dev/pts/0'/> <target type='serial' port='0'/> <alias name='serial0'/> </console> <channel type='unix'> <source mode='bind' path='/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/channel/target/domain-1-Windows 10 again/org.qemu.guest_agent.0'/> <target type='virtio' name='org.qemu.guest_agent.0' state='disconnected'/> <alias name='channel0'/> <address type='virtio-serial' controller='0' bus='0' port='1'/> </channel> <input type='mouse' bus='ps2'> <alias name='input0'/> </input> <input type='keyboard' bus='ps2'> <alias name='input1'/> </input> <hostdev mode='subsystem' type='pci' managed='yes'> <driver name='vfio'/> <source> <address domain='0x0000' bus='0x02' slot='0x00' function='0x0'/> </source> <alias name='hostdev0'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x05' function='0x0'/> </hostdev> <hostdev mode='subsystem' type='pci' managed='yes'> <driver name='vfio'/> <source> <address domain='0x0000' bus='0x02' slot='0x00' function='0x1'/> </source> <alias name='hostdev1'/> <address type='pci' domain='0x0000' bus='0x00' slot='0x06' function='0x0'/> </hostdev> <memballoon model='none'/> </devices> <seclabel type='dynamic' model='dac' relabel='yes'> <label>+0:+100</label> <imagelabel>+0:+100</imagelabel> </seclabel> </domain>

I am currently using Unraid 6.6.0, with the following specs: Intel Xeon E3-1240v2, 16 GB memory, VM installed in cache, and my cache is a Crucial MX500, 1 TB SSD. I passed through an Nvidia GTX1070 video card, via a x16 to x8 PCIE riser card. I checked my motherboard manual, and it's PCIE 3.0 x8 slot. My motherboard has an Intel NIC, and conenected it to an HP Gigabit Switch. My VM is running Windows 10, and I assigned 4 GB to the VM. I am using an Intel NUC to access my VM via wired Gigabit network. I use moonlight. When I access my VM, the mouse lags, and it feels like it's running remote control. You don't feel 'native experience.' 🙂 How do I improve on this?

Does this mean when using Dell H330 with SAS 6Gb drives, I'll see significant performance improvement against my existing H310, with SATA 2 and 3 drives when copying data from Cache (SSD) to Array? My reasoning is SAS 6GB capable of 230 MBps while SATA spin drives can only do 100-170 MBps only?

Thanks for the link. Indeed, this paper gives a good explanation of what is the limit of each device, lanes. Thanks for pointing this out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

still, thanks @LammeN3rd and @johnnie.black!

hahaha, it's truly tricky 😁 I hope I can somehow comprehend this when the time comes for me to upgrade

Let me try to see if I get this If drives are connected to the controller directly, they get the most out of the drive's speed directly. It's only when you use an expander, that will split the bandwidth (if that is what we call it), and in old controllers, use the speed of the slowest device, will using an H330 benefit, since it has that LSI technology.

Thanks!

so if using 6Gb sas drives, and SATA 3 drives, is there reason to upgrade from SAS2008 to H330?

Thanks @LammeN3rd, will read more on this. You've been very helpful.

Can you explain this a bit? How are those drives used in unraid? Array? I thought adding more drives (per share) won't provide any added speed benefit? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Very interested in this.

What is an expander exactly? Apart from this hba controller, expander have other functions? What does it look like? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk