jortan

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  1. Borgbackup provide a binary that seems to work https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/releases wget https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/releases/download/1.2.2/borg-linux64 /boot/config/borg-linux64 Run these and also add them to /boot/config/go cp /boot/config/borg-linux64 /usr/local/sbin/borg chmod +x /usr/local/sbin/borg Alternative you could use something like the borgmatic docker, mount whatever paths you need borg to have access to, and run your commands from the docker's console or using "docker exec"
  2. Here's another post with information more specifically about setting boot order for passthrough nvme:
  3. /mnt/user is where unraid does it's magic for shares backed by Unraid arrays / cache devices. My advice would be to leave /mnt/user alone and not attempt to manually mount (or link) filesystems here. Maybe I'm missing something but can you not go to: - Settings - VM Manager And set "Default ISO storage path" to /zfs-sas/isos ? Fairly sure this is what most Unraid/ZFS users are doing.
  4. Can confirm the current "next" build of 6.10.2-rc3 is also working if you wanted to try that. VVV oops, you're right - thanks
  5. The other thing you can do is zfs set sync=disabled poolname This forces all writes to be asynchronous. This doesn't risk data corruption, but it does risk the last 5 seconds of your data in the case of a power failure which could lead to data loss in some scenarios. If you happen to be moving data to the array at the time - The sender has been told the data is moved so the source is deleted, but it won't actually get written to the destination for 0-5 seconds. You could see significant performance benefit on a busy pool though - particularly one seeing lots of small synchronous writes.
  6. This seems about what I would expect. You're not streaming data directly and uninterrupted to your spinning rust as you would be in a RAID0-like configuration. For every write to one disk, ZFS is having to store that data and metadata redundantly on another disk. Then the first disk gets interrupted because it needs to write data/metadata to provide redundancy for another disk. You're not streaming data neatly in a row, there are seek times involved. If you want performance with spinning rust, get more spindles and ideally switch to RAID10 (mirrrored pairs)
  7. To clarify, it's relevant for any application doing synchronous writes to your ZFS pool. For these writes, the file system won't confirm to the application that the write has been completed until the data is confirmed as written to the pool. Because writes to SLOG are much faster, there can be significant improvements in write performance. SLOG is not a read cache - ZFS will never read from the SLOG except in very rare circumstances (mostly after a power failure.) Even if it could, it would be useless as the SLOG is regularly flushed and any data is already in memory (ARC) If your application is doing asynchronous writes, ZFS stores the write in memory (ARC) and reports reports to the application that the write was complete (it then flushes those writes from ARC to your pool - by default every 5 seconds I think?) The SLOG has zero benefit here. I have a feeling QEMU/VMs will do synchronous writes also, but I don't have an SLOG running to test. From memory NFS shares default to synchronous and SMB shares will default to asynchronous? >>Intel Optane P1600X 118GB That said if you have/are getting this for L2ARC anyway, you may as well slice off 10GB for a SLOG. I was running a P4800X in exactly the same way a while ago.
  8. Yes for HDD pools zstd makes more sense as you are IO bound by slow spinning rust. Needing to read and write less data to spinning rust is more likely to be beneficial than any increase in computation required for compression/decompression. For NVME you are less bound by IO, so the increase in computation required by zstd is more likely to impact performance negatively. On modern computers it probably makes very little difference. If you're rocking 10-year-old Xeons (like me) then it might. That said, zstd also gives better compression (to varying degrees, depending on the type of data) so if that's important to you it's another thing to consider.
  9. For NVME you're probably better of using lz4 by default, and zstd for datasets with very compressible data (large log/text files), or for datasets you don't read often (archives/backups.) Some insights here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23210491
  10. You may want to look at ZFS + snapshots using sanoid + syncoid if you want to replicate those snapshots to another machine. It's a lot more manual work to configure and maintain, but a good learning experience if you're up for it. It seems native ZFS support will be coming to Unraid eventually. It's great for running dockers/vms, though with ZFS you don't have the ability to cache writes to the array within Unraid like you can with the built-in "pool" functionality (my guess is this will be possible when Unraid supports ZFS natively) There's a number of Youtube guides for implementing ZFS in Unraid also.
  11. From what I understand it has long been the case that some people report issues with docker on ZFS and some people have none. This might be due to ZFS only having problems with specific containers? I've had issues with dockers using "sendfile" syscall on ZFS previously: But it seems likely this is fixed now: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/11151 Could this have caused some of the other docker + ZFS issues seen in the past? I've had issues with docker + ZFS previously (both using docker.img and using a direct file path on ZFS). I've never used ZFS zvols. I don't have the bandwidth right now to try migrating this back to ZFS. I will try to revisit this when 6.10 is released.
  12. Typically this is ~/.vimrc (aka /root/.vimrc) but this path isn't located on persistent storage so it won't survive reboots. Run this once but also add it to /boot/config/go echo "set tabstop=4" >> ~/.vimrc
  13. zfs import is what you wanted here, not zfs create I suggest before you do anything else, you zfs export the pool (or just disconnect the drive) prevent any further writing and consider your options (but I'm not sure if there are any)
  14. More deduped data also means more compute resources to compare each write to hashes of all the existing data (to see if it can be deduplicated) I don't know for sure, but I suspect not - in the same way that adding a normal vdev does not cause ZFS to redistribute your data or metadata. It should by design, but it also might just break (situation may have improved in the last 11 months?)
  15. To clarify earlier comments about ZFS memory usage - the ARC doesn't show how much memory ZFS needs to function, the ARC will dynamically consume memory that the system doesn't otherwise need. This is why you can't assume how much memory ZFS "needs" for dedupe/DDT based on ARC size before/after turning on dedupe. It is expected that the ARC would be the same size in both scenarios. To demonstrate that the ARC is dynamic and doesn't actually show how much memory ZFS "needs", you can artificially reduce the amount of memory available to ZFS by consuming memory in a ram disk mount -t tmpfs -o size=96G tmpfs /mnt/ram/ As you copy files to the ram disk, and as available memory approaches 0%, the ZFS ARC will release memory back to the system, dynamically reducing its size: \ ZFS will continue functioning without issue (but with less data cached) until the DDT starts getting pushed out of the ARC because it no longers fits. This can happen if you: - keep adding data (DDT size increases), and/or - reduce the amount of memory available to ZFS At this point, performance of the ZFS filesystem will reduce, likely by orders of magnitude.
  16. Neither me nor the documentation I'm referencing are saying dedupe performance with a special vdev is bad (at least not over dedupe performance without a special vdev) Without the special vdev your normal pool devices will very busy writing your data, but also all the hashes/references for the deduplication table (DDT). For spinning rust disks, this is a lot of additional random I/O and hurts performance significantly. Unless designed very poorly, the special vdev will increase performance because it spreads the DDT writes to separate, fast storage devices. The DDT is not a cache, and neither is the special vdev --- https://www.truenas.com/docs/references/zfsdeduplication/#deduplication-on-zfs The DDT needs to be stored within your pool (in vdev or special vdev) and constantly updated for every block of data that you write to the pool. Every write involves more writes to the DDT (either new hashes or references to existing hashes) When ZFS writes new entries to DDT (or needs to read them from the pool/special vdev) it's cached in memory (ARC) and will push out other information that would otherwise be stored in the ARC. If your DDT becomes large enough to exceed the amount of memory that ZFS is allocating for ARC, that's where you will run in to significant performance issues. That's not counting the fact that there is other data that ZFS wants to keep in the ARC (regularly accessed data and ZFS metadata) for performance reasons. Keeping the hashes/references to what has already been written in memory is fundamental to how de-duplicating file systems work. However, those hashes/references are fundamental structures of the file system, which is why they can't only exist in memory and must also be written to the filesystem.
  17. By default openzfs on Linux will "consume" up to half of system memory for the ARC, subject to other memory requirements of the system. This memory is allocated to the ARC regardless of whether dedupe is enabled or not and the amount allocated can't be used to measure how much memory is being used by dedupe. The special vdev provides faster read/write access for permanent storage of the metadata and DDT, but the DDT still needs to fit in ARC memory to avoid significant performance issues. https://www.truenas.com/docs/references/zfsdeduplication/ The amount of memory required to keep DDT cached in ARC ... https://www.truenas.com/docs/references/zfsdeduplication/ zdb doesn't function by default in Unraid due to lack of persistant storage location for its database. You can enable zdb database in memory using these commands: Further recommendations for estimating DDT size in a ZFS pool (and subsequently, the memory required for performant dedupe in ZFS): https://serverfault.com/questions/533877/how-large-is-my-zfs-dedupe-table-at-the-moment Hope this helps.
  18. I think he's talking about this suggestion: The Unassigned Disks has facility to mount remote shares in the GUI. These get mounted to /mnt/remotes. You could then assign these folders to dockers on the primary Unraid server. This is theoretically possible, but there will likely be some issues around timing for auto-mount as the nested Unraid won't be available when the primary Unraid array starts. And I think where you fix these remote mounts after the docker has started, you will need to restart the docker in order for it to see the files? Not sure but I recall something like this from my testing. Using multiple cache pools on a single Unraid server would be the simpler option for now. Or, live with a single array for now. This will be much easier to transfer to multiple arrays when this feature is added as your data will just be on standard XFS formatted disks, and you can (carefully) assign these to a different array later without needing to transfer data.
  19. I'm not trying to win an argument. If I post something that's wrong, I appreciate it when someone takes the time to correct me (and will edit the original post containing the incorrect information). The information you have posted isn't a difference of opinion, it's just incorrect as per openzfs documentation. If you don't want to learn and don't want to edit your posts then I guess we're done here. For someone who complains about ZFS misinformation on the internet, I find this bizarre. Have a great day? https://openzfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/performance-tuning.html
  20. Your evidence is based on not really understanding how ZFS allocates memory. If you keep adding deduped data or applications with memory requirements, at some point your system will suffer significant performance issues or might stop working completely. It might be next week or it might be never - you don't know when because you haven't considered/measured it. This isn't evidence or a difference of opinion, it's just factually incorrect. If you don't want to learn, that's fine, I'm trying to correct misinformation for the benefit of others who might try to learn about ZFS here. ZFS Dedupe does have additional memory requirements, regardless of the addition of a special vdev. It's crucial that you have enough memory for the DDT. Implementing ZFS dedupe without measuring/considering memory requirements is inviting a disaster scenario. You may not care if your ZFS pool/Unraid server could potentially fall off a performance cliff or stop working at all. For people who would consider that a minor disaster: https://www.truenas.com/docs/references/zfsdeduplication/
  21. Operating system volumes for virtual machines is a use-case where dedupe is going to be very useful. Glad it's working for you. I don't mean to be rude, but the assertions in your post are bording on misinformation and could lead people to get themselves in to very difficult situations: I strongly recommend you review how ZFS/ARC allocates memory dynamically as you have reached the wrong conclusion from your observations. ZFS ARC is utilising available unused memory in both situations - this is why you aren't seeing any noticeable change. When other applications or the operating system demand more memory, ZFS will dynamically reduce the size of the ARC. Without dedupe, the ARC is caching ZFS metadata and data inside your pools. When you have dedupe enabled it additionally needs to cache the DDT. The DDT is going to occupy some of that space in the ARC that would otherwise be used to cache data/metadata. If the size of the DDT exceeds the memory that ARC is able to allocate, you will suddenly run in to serious performance issues. Yes, the special VDEV absolutely holds the DDT and helps with performance for dedupe pools. However, this is no substitute for carefully considering the memory requirements for the DDT when enabling dedupe with ZFS. It's critically important that the DDT also fits in memory. Think for a moment about how ZFS dedupe works. Every block written is hashed and that hash placed in the DDT - or a reference to an existing hash. The DDT is written to the special vdev, but also dynamically cached in memory by the ZFS ARC. Every subsequent write to that dataset needs to hashed and compared against all the hashes in the DDT. All of them. For every block you write. Each write can't occur until it's been compared to all the hashes in the DDT. If those hashes aren't already cached in the ARC, it needs to read them from the special vdev. That takes far, far more time than if the hash was already in memory. If reading parts of the DDT from the special vdev pushes another part of the DDT out of the ARC (because you don't have enough memory), then very suddenly your performance is going to tank abysmally. Every single block written is going to need hundreds or thousands of reads to your special vdev to complete. Every. Single. Write. The reason your ZFS dedupe is working great, is not (only) because of the special vdev, it's because you (currently) have sufficient memory for the DDT to be permanently cached in the ARC. That could change and very suddenly if you write more data to your dedupe datasets and/or other applications demand memory and ZFS reduces the ARC size. This is not about corporate vs. homelab performance, this is about ZFS dedupe working brilliantly, until it very suddenly works terribly (or stops working at all) because the DDT no longer fits in memory. To say that ZFS dedupe doesn't have additional memory requirements anymore because of special vdevs is simply not true. No, they will become slower when they fill up, but will always get thrashed relatively speaking - because writes to a dedupe dataset in the pool requires a multiple of writes to the DDT: https://www.truenas.com/docs/references/zfsdeduplication/
  22. Nobody here said dedup wasn't worth using outright, I said that in my experience running steam folders over network isn't worth it. If the desired outcome is to tinker and experiment and learn, then I'm all for that. If the desired outcome is the right tool for the right job, then for the benefit of other people who might be reading this and think this is a good idea for performance reasons - it probably isn't (in my opinion). A cheap SSD (on the gaming machine itself) will almost certainly perform better. Network speed / ZFS performance are factors but not the only ones - consider all the context switching between drivers and network stacks for every single read and write to storage. A normal gaming computer application requests read/write data -> storage driver -> disk performs read or write -> storage driver -> application A gaming computer with iscsi storage application requests read/write data -> storage driver (iscsi initator) -> network driver (client) -> transmit request over network -> network driver (server) -> storage driver (iscsi target) -> disk performs read or write -> storage driver (iscsi target) -> network driver (server) -> transmit request over network -> network driver (client) -> storage driver (iscsi initiator) This context switching is not without cost. It's the reason SATA is going away and SSD storage is being placed directly on the PCIE bus now - the fewer protocols/driver stacks that storage needs to go through, the better. If you think a bit more about how dedupe works, it absolutely must use more memory. Every time you're issuing a write to dedupe pool, ZFS needs to hash the data you're asking to write and compare it against hashes of data already stored (the DDT table). If those hashes don't fit in ARC memory, ZFS would need to read the missing hashes from the vdev or the pool every time you issue a write command. Yikes. If you throw a bunch of data at ZFS dedupe and haven't planned your memory/metadata requirements, you could find your dedupe storage grinding to a halt. The special vdev just provides a low-latency place for reading/writing metadata/DDT table because they will be constantly thrashed by reads/writes: https://www.truenas.com/docs/references/zfsdeduplication/ So as I stated in previous post, this will add even more context switching/latency than running iscsi alone.
  23. Impressive numbers - just keep in mind that these may not reflect real-world performance due to a number of factors (not least of which your reads are likely coming straight from ZFS ARC memory, not from actual ZFS storage) >>and play with IT stuff Have fun then, sorry I don't have any answers re: ZFS de-dupe in Unraid.
  24. Your mileage may vary, but I have played around with network steam folders in the past and found it wasn't worth the effort. Adding network i/o to storage is always going to impact negatively on performance, and adding ZFS dedupe is going to make this even worse. Another approach you may want to consider is lancache: https://forums.unraid.net/topic/79858-support-josh5-docker-templates/ This will cache all steam downloads from computers on your network - so you can delete games from your computers knowing you can reinstall them again later at LAN speed if required. ps: lancache docker does require a workaround when using ZFS as your cache repository: https://forums.unraid.net/topic/79858-support-josh5-docker-templates/page/9/?tab=comments#comment-938921
  25. Do you have the "Community Applications" plugin installed? This adds the "Apps" tab to unRAID. If you're already searching in "Apps" and still can't find it, what version of unRAID are you running? I'm still on 6.10.0-rc1, not sure if it's published for rc2 yet?