Vr2Io Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) My desktop ITX was Z390, it support 8/9th Intel CPU, which also suppport with C246 but no ECC. The mobo was Z390M-ITX/ac. ( In fact I completely forget it have 6 SATA, bacause I haven't use SATA ) Also hard found in market, it much cheaper then C246, cost me around 140usd @ Amazon. Edited August 19, 2021 by Vr2Io Quote Link to comment
CS01-HS Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 6 hours ago, mgutt said: Note: Do not buy 11th or 12th gen. High power consumption and no Intel GVT-g support. I don't think everyone's as obsessed about power as we are. When bdee1 says "low power" he's probably (?) thinking closer to 60W than 20W. Quote Link to comment
Vr2Io Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CS01-HS said: I don't think everyone's as obsessed about power as we are. When bdee1 says "low power" he's probably (?) thinking closer to 60W than 20W. Just add some comment, my 9700k+Z390+10G NIC, measure at AC main with power factor ~0.6. BTW, it use 50W actually. Edited August 19, 2021 by Vr2Io Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, CS01-HS said: I don't think everyone's as obsessed about power as we are. When bdee1 says "low power" he's probably (?) thinking closer to 60W than 20W. That’s correct. I am in fact thinking more along the lines of 60-70, rather than 20. Does that change any of your recommendations or open things up a bit? Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, CS01-HS said: obsessed about power as we are Yes of course, but except of that, GVT-g is a huge loss I think. Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, bdee1 said: with that said, the ASRock C246 WSI looks interesting, if a bit pricey In Germany around 100 €. Are you from Europe? Maybe some of the dealers ship internationally: https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/6567847_-c246-wsi-asrock.html Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mgutt said: In Germany around 100 €. Are you from Europe? Maybe some of the dealers ship internationally: https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/6567847_-c246-wsi-asrock.html I am in US. On Amazon I’m seeing it for $223. https://www.amazon.com/AsRock-C246-WSI-Mini-ITX-Motherboard/dp/B07Z4XWNHY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=ASRock+C246+WSI&qid=1629413711&sr=8-1 if I went with that board, what CPU and memory would you recommend? Edited August 19, 2021 by bdee1 Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 13 hours ago, bdee1 said: On Amazon I’m seeing it for $223. Uff crazy. I could send you a unit for 140 € (incl shipping). But I don't know how much you need to pay for local taxes. PS I have multiple C246N-WU2 on stock as well. But they cost 250 €. Or are you maybe able to buy it cheaper from Amazon Germany? https://www.amazon.de/Gigabyte-C246N-WU2-Mini-Motherboard-Intel/dp/B08XNL3TDP/ 13 hours ago, bdee1 said: what CPU Any 8th or 9th would be fine. So: - i3-8xxx or i3-9xxx - Xeon E-21xxG or Xeon E-22xxG - Pentium Gold G5xxx If you don't need ECC: - i5/i7-8xxx or i5/i7-9xxx So you have a huge bandwith. 13 hours ago, bdee1 said: memory ECC? Do you have in the US a website to filter for ECC, Non-Reg, Non-LR, DIMM? We have a nice one for that: https://geizhals.de/?cat=ramddr3&xf=15903_DDR4~15903_keinSO~15903_mitECC~15903_ohneLR~15903_ohneREG&sort=r&hloc=at&hloc=de&v=e Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 thanks so much for your reply and your offer to ship the mobo! I feel like local taxes as could get expensive and/or complicated. for simplicity's sake i was thinking of just getting these from amazon: Mobo: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GMCP55R/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A4UCFL9LU89NR&psc=1 CPU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08LKJPR5X/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AM5XI9N2OGT2D&psc=1 I would still have to pick out some memory what do you think? Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, bdee1 said: CPU Don't buy F-CPUs, they don't have an iGPU. 1 hour ago, bdee1 said: Mobo Regarding my research all 1200 ITX Boards have only 4 SATA ports. The only differences are: 1 or 2 M.2 Slots, 2.5G LAN or not. So why not buying a board which has 2 M.2 Slots and 2.5G LAN onboard? Like one of those: ASRock H570M-ITX/ac ASRock H470M-ITX/ac MSI MPG B460I Gaming Edge WIFI ASUS ROG Strix B560-I Gaming WIFI GIGABYTE B560I AORUS Pro AX ASUS ROG Strix Z490-I Gaming With two M.2 Slots you could install this card, so you could still use your PCIe Slot: http://iocrest.com/index.php?id=2070 Another interesting point could be to buy a board which officially supports Bifurcation. Asus mentions this for Z490 and Z590 in the manual as follows: This means you could buy this card and install 3 NVMes (at the moment it's much more expensive because of Chia, usually it costs under $40): https://www.amazon.com/s?k=asus+hyper+m.2&__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 By that you could upgrade the board to 9 HDDs/SSDs and 4 NVMes. Note: Check length of the card because of your case. Another option is the much smaller Dual M.2 Adapter card from Supermicro, which would give you 3 NVMes in total (or 4 if you don't use the IO Crest adapter): https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/accessories/addon/AOC-SLG3-2M2.php Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 sorry for my ignorance its been a long time since i have looked at new hardware and it seems a lot is new to to me. I appreciate you hanging in there and answering so many questions. WIth that said - I have a few more 😁 1) What is F-CPU? If I am looking at a LGA1200, which CPUs are recommended that have an iGPU? 2) I see what you mean about gettign the 2.5G LAN and dual m.2 slots - makes sense. and i love the idea of getting the SATA expansion card to go in the m.2 slots. unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of the Motherboards you mentioned in stock. 3) what are your thoughts on this motherboard? https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144460?Description=mini ITX lga1200&cm_re=mini_ITX lga1200-_-13-144-460-_-Product&quicklink=true 4) assuming that motherboard is ok, then what CPU do you recommend for it? again - thank you so much for all your guidance on this. Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 or another option I found on newegg - that might work? Mobo https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144460?Item=N82E16813144460 CPU https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10600k-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118124?Item=N82E16819118124 Quote Link to comment
ChatNoir Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, bdee1 said: 1) What is F-CPU? If I am looking at a LGA1200, which CPUs are recommended that have an iGPU? Intel CPUs use various suffixes to differentiate between close variants. For example i9-9900K, i9-9900KF, i9-9900KS or i9-9900T Some explainations from Intel here : https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html In that case F is without iGPUs. But always check as some reference never have an iGPU and do not have the F suffix. Thank you Intel. Quote Link to comment
JonathanM Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Always, always, ALWAYS check the intel ark site to see if the CPU you have in your cart to purchase has the feature set you are expecting. Voice of experience talking here. Sometimes vendor descriptions get copy and pasted without verifying the actual details. Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, ChatNoir said: Intel CPUs use various suffixes to differentiate between close variants. For example i9-9900K, i9-9900KF, i9-9900KS or i9-9900T Some explainations from Intel here : https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html In that case F is without iGPUs. But always check as some reference never have an iGPU and do not have the F suffix. Thank you Intel. awesome info - thank you!! Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, JonathanM said: Always, always, ALWAYS check the intel ark site to see if the CPU you have in your cart to purchase has the feature set you are expecting. Voice of experience talking here. Sometimes vendor descriptions get copy and pasted without verifying the actual details. sorry if this is a dumb questions but what is the intel ark site? Quote Link to comment
JonathanM Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, bdee1 said: sorry if this is a dumb questions but what is the intel ark site? ark.intel.com Quote Link to comment
mgutt Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, bdee1 said: what are your thoughts on this motherboard? Looks ok to me. But it does not mention any Bifurcation in the manual. Maybe it's worth to ask MSI?! Asus is to expensive? It's really crazy what happened to the hardware prices. Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, JonathanM said: ark.intel.com great bit of info, thank you!! Quote Link to comment
bdee1 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, mgutt said: Looks ok to me. But it does not mention any Bifurcation in the manual. Maybe it's worth to ask MSI?! when you talk about bifurcation, is that basically just something that would allow me to use my PCIe port to run multiple SSDs? Would i need bifurcation in order to make use of the M.2 Sata card you referenced above? the reason I ask is that i don't have any immediate plans to use any SSDs in my new unraid system. it will likely be standard spinning drives only. Quote Link to comment
Lolight Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 2:18 AM, bdee1 said: the reason I ask is that i don't have any immediate plans to use any SSDs in my new unraid system. it will likely be standard spinning drives only. It's generally recommended to add a SSD cache drive to your system. Just about all newer motherboards have at least a single M.2 socket. The NVMe M.2 SSD drives are very cheap now. You don't need a large one - a 250 GB drive would suffice for your usage. Here's Spaceinvader One on cache: Quote Link to comment
TStavley Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 9:10 PM, Vr2Io said: How do I get this graph on my dashboard? Running 6.9.3 Quote Link to comment
ChatNoir Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 56 minutes ago, TStavley said: How do I get this graph on my dashboard? Running 6.9.3 That's probably 6.10.0 RC1 2 Quote Link to comment
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