prostuff1 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 We have never had any problems with the Norco cages. We do swap out the fan on the back for a more quite 80mm though. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Price increase to $169. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 These are not 5TB WD REDs, they are 5.6TB. That brings them in at just over $30 per T at the $169 price. A search for 5.6T drives brings up only one that was ever announced - an HGST 5.6TB Helium filled drive. Is that what these are? I am not sure. But seems very possible. If anyone has any ideas how to tell, please let me know. Mine are preclearing away. Quote Link to comment
Squid Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 These are not 5TB WD REDs, they are 5.6TB. That brings them in at just over $30 per T at the $169 price. A search for 5.6T drives brings up only one that was ever announced - an HGST 5.6TB Helium filled drive. Is that what these are? I am not sure. But seems very possible. If anyone has any ideas how to tell, please let me know. Mine are preclearing away. If the firmware is still stock and not customized, smartctl should tell you the actual manufacturer and model # Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Here is the smart report ... I couldn't find any clues except the firmware resembles WD naming. smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [i686-linux-3.9.11p-unRAID] (local build) Copyright © 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: WL5000GSA6457 Serial Number: WOL24028xxxx LU WWN Device Id: 0 000000 000000000 Firmware Version: 01.00F.0 User Capacity: 5,601,346,781,184 bytes [5.60 TB] Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated) Local Time is: Fri Jan 23 12:27:34 2015 PST SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 2144) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. No Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 675) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3035) SCT Status supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0033 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 051 Old_age Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3 184 End-to-End_Error 0x0033 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 079 078 000 Old_age Always - 21 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 2 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 131 130 000 Old_age Always - 21 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x0036 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0009 100 253 051 Pre-fail Offline - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Quote Link to comment
WeeboTech Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 For comparison purposes. If someone could check some WD drive models for conveyance test support. === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: HGST HDN726060ALE610 No Conveyance Self-test supported. === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: ST6000DX000-1H217Z Conveyance Self-test supported. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 These are from smaller 2TB WD and 4TB Seagate drive and 4TB HGST drive. === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Western Digital Caviar Green Device Model: WDC WD20EADS-00R6B0 Firmware Version: 01.00A01 Conveyance Self-test supported. === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Desktop HDD.15 Device Model: ST4000DM000-1F2168 Firmware Version: CC52 Conveyance Self-test supported. === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: HGST HDN724040ALE640 Firmware Version: MJAOA5E0 No Conveyance Self-test supported. Quote Link to comment
Squid Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Western Digital Caviar Green (AF, SATA 6Gb/s) Device Model: WDC WD30EZRX-00MMMB0 Firmware Version: 80.00A80 Conveyance Self-test supported Quote Link to comment
WeeboTech Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Plot thickens. So far I'm leaning towards HGST. A few more various posts and we'll have a better picture. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Firmware revision string smells like WD, however everything else like physical properties and firmware behavior smells like HGST. Of course, WD owns HGST. Quote Link to comment
nightanole Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 how can it be a HE if all HE have a flat top? However if you look at the pcb, as far as i know only wd uses that wide 32pin blank pad. Seagate uses an almost square pad array, and HGST uses a round pad grid. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8263/6-tb-nas-drives-wd-red-seagate-ec-hgst-he Still smells like a red. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 The configuration of the circular stickers are just like the WD REDs. The little screws in the corners look a little different but basically in the same places. Definitely not a flat top like the HGST HelioSeal pictured, and also not like the pictures of HGST non-helium 5T drive I found elsewhere. And not like Seagate. The scant drive info on Newegg for the drive says it has the features "Data Lifeguard, Shock Guard", which are WD terms. But I suppose it is possible that the platters themselves might be HGST platters. I wonder if HGST made a bunch of the lower density 7 platter 5.6TB assemblies, and it didn't make sense to make them into Helios with the 6T and higher capacities that are coming, so WD took them, fitted them with Red 5700RPM motors, and pushed them out the door on the wholesale market. One thing of note, these drives DO have all three screw holes on each side. I know at least some 7 platter drives don't have the middle screw to squeeze in all of the platters. If not 7x800G platters, what other platter configuration gets to 5.6TB? Quote Link to comment
nightanole Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Ive seen some really odd ones coming from WD for use in dells and microsoft consoles. Its possible that one side of the last platter is not in use and disabled. If that is the case they could be 6 platter using 5.5 platters. My HGST 6tb has 6 screw holes. As far as i know HGST never came out with the 5.6tb, and went with HE6 and HE8 for 6-8tb. Hmm... 6 800gig platters is 4800 6 1tb platters is 6 tb 5.5 1tb platters is 5.5tb unless its fuzzy math 7 800gig platters is 5.6tb, if they are using black magic to keep the center mount holes. Quote Link to comment
switchman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 If you look at the picture of the PCB board on Newegg, I get 2060-800001-000 REV P1. Google turns up references associating that with 6TB Greens, specifically the WD60EZRX-00MVLB1. While I am sure WD, like every other mfg, uses common parts when they can, the drives look the same. Up to the same letters "3B1" stamped into the metal at the top of the drive. http://www.amazon.com/WD60EZRX-00MVLB1-HBNNHVJMAB-Western-Digital-Drive/dp/B00Q4ZQ3J2 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD2ER7851 Also the smart report posted earlier points that this drive started life as a higher capacity drive than advertised. User Capacity: 5,601,346,781,184 bytes [5.60 TB] EDIT: With an oddball capacity size, they could also taken drives, both Red/Green that had to many bad sectors and could not be sold as 6TB drives and hard mapped out the bad sectors and sold them to New Egg for sell as 5TB drives. They would recoup their cost, New Egg gets sales they possibly would not have and the customer gets a "larger capacity drive" than they thought they had purchased. Everybody wins. This would be similar to the way AMD sold their 4 core CPUs with a a bad core as three core CPUs. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Has anyone with the drive tried to see if "wdidle3" works on it? Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 Has anyone with the drive tried to see if "wdidle3" works on it? I have not tried. I don't see the LCCs increasing. I think they are still zero. Quote Link to comment
switchman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Anybody got a 6TB Red not in their system that see what the PCB P/N is. I really don't want to shut my system down and pop a drive to check. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Has anyone with the drive tried to see if "wdidle3" works on it? I have not tried. I don't see the LCCs increasing. I think they are still zero. I was more curious if it would recognize the drive, like if wdidle3 only works on WD drives. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 I am getting some significant reallocated sectors. Looks like they are going back. Too bad. Quote Link to comment
garycase Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 If you look at the picture of the PCB board on Newegg, I get 2060-800001-000 REV P1. Google turns up references associating that with 6TB Greens, specifically the WD60EZRX-00MVLB1. While I am sure WD, like every other mfg, uses common parts when they can, the drives look the same. Up to the same letters "3B1" stamped into the metal at the top of the drive. http://www.amazon.com/WD60EZRX-00MVLB1-HBNNHVJMAB-Western-Digital-Drive/dp/B00Q4ZQ3J2 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD2ER7851 Also the smart report posted earlier points that this drive started life as a higher capacity drive than advertised. User Capacity: 5,601,346,781,184 bytes [5.60 TB] EDIT: With an oddball capacity size, they could also taken drives, both Red/Green that had to many bad sectors and could not be sold as 6TB drives and hard mapped out the bad sectors and sold them to New Egg for sell as 5TB drives. They would recoup their cost, New Egg gets sales they possibly would not have and the customer gets a "larger capacity drive" than they thought they had purchased. Everybody wins. This would be similar to the way AMD sold their 4 core CPUs with a a bad core as three core CPUs. I don't see where you got the "2060-800001-000 REV P1" designation from (I can't see it on any of the Newegg pictures) ... but assuming it's accurate, it certainly matches a WD Green 6TB unit. And the pictures of the two drives look VERY similar (the cases aren't identical, but are certainly very close. As for the capacity -- assuming this is indeed a re-badged 6TB WD Green -- there are several possibilities: (a) They may have simply not utilized the full capacity of the platters ... or perhaps assigned significantly more spare sectors than normal (perhaps due to the original OEM requirements for the drives). (b) They may be built using platters that failed initial testing, so were formatted with the failed areas mapped ... and marketed as 5TB so anything >= 5TB of good space would be okay. © They may simply be 933GB platters that were an intermediate step along the way to 1TB platters. There have been other "oddball" platter sizes along the way to the current areal densities. The similarity to the 6TB WD Greens may simply be because they used the same physical casing for these drives. Quote Link to comment
switchman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 If you save the picture from New Egg that shows the PCB open it in a viewer, and rotate the picture clockwise, zoom in and you can see more detail. Here is the area showing the base PCB P/N. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 If you save the picture from New Egg that shows the PCB open it in a viewer, and rotate the picture clockwise, zoom in and you can see more detail. Here is the area showing the base PCB P/N. I can confirm this is correct. The sticker is different. Mine says "mediamax". Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I am getting some significant reallocated sectors. Looks like they are going back. Too bad. Any indication on the relative performance of the drives? Did you finish out any read or write speed tests or even a full cycle of preclear (or faster preclear)? Quote Link to comment
WeeboTech Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 http://agapovahardware.en.ec21.com/Hard_Drive_Western_Digital_3Tb--6776427_6776446.html Mediamax is an authorised Service Partner of Wester Digital. The Western Digital Hard Drives were professionally and generally repaired by Mediamax own brand and represented at the market. We are not dealing with No Name hard drives, but with generally repaired Western Digital HDD. Visually and technically HDDs looking like new, all HDDs aresealed in an antistatic tape. Quote Link to comment
c3 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 http://agapovahardware.en.ec21.com/Hard_Drive_Western_Digital_3Tb--6776427_6776446.html Mediamax is an authorised Service Partner of Wester Digital. The Western Digital Hard Drives were professionally and generally repaired by Mediamax own brand and represented at the market. We are not dealing with No Name hard drives, but with generally repaired Western Digital HDD. Visually and technically HDDs looking like new, all HDDs aresealed in an antistatic tape. That's not the only non OEM assembler of disk drives. To see such quantity of these so soon is a bit surprising. Quote Link to comment
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