You're welcome.  The reason for my "disclaimer" was that a couple of posts up you referred to "recommended" applications.  Thought that I should clear it up before since I don't think it had ever been mentioned before.

 

Personally, I believe that choice amongst the applications is a good thing, however I would like to see the authors take advantage of the tools which the plugins give them to show the users what the differences between binhex versions and needo versions.

 

Thank you. I appreciate it.

 

I understand. Perhaps I could have been more select with my choice of words visa vie "Recommended". That is not to say that I don't think it is a bad idea for LT or Community Reps or similar to "Recommend" a version of an application. I actually believe that would be a good thing.

 

As for overall selection and flexibility I actually have to agree with you there. We have to be careful that we don't discourage or eliminate the ability for variations between applications. Limiting the ability for variety or choice would be a VERY bad thing.

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

At the moment the  Community Applications plugin is the hard work of Squid, and we should be thankful to him to have started this initiative and he goes into great lengths to keep it up to date.

 

The usefulness of this plugin is undoubtably there and surely the potential exists to integrate it with a future version of unRAID. All you need to have is patience and appreciate what we have today.

 

I dont disagree with a word of your post and I personally feel exactly the way you feel I should.

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use). 

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

 

At the moment the  Community Applications plugin is the hard work of Squid, and we should be thankful to him to have started this initiative and he goes into great lengths to keep it up to date.

 

The usefulness of this plugin is undoubtably there and surely the potential exists to integrate it with a future version of unRAID. All you need to have is patience and appreciate what we have today.

With much much thanks to gfjardim and bonienl for their work in the conversion of the earliest concept to Community Repositories upon which Community Applications is fundamentally based upon.  And an honourable mention to Sparklyballs for telling me how much some of my ideas suck (those are the ones that don't see the light of day)

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

 

What an excellent idea! +1. How would we implement? Registered forum users with a certain post count could have a link where they could give a + or a - or similar?

 

I feel we would have to limit it to certain user to prevent "false" votes or whatever you want to call them.

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

It's on my whiteboard.  But its not at the top 

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

It's on my whiteboard.  But its not at the top 

 

So how does one help? I have limited but not trivial coding skills in C, C++, PHP and (regrettably) VB and VB.NET as well as basic HTML, Python and ASP/.NET.

 

If we set these up into requests / features with clear inputs, outputs and requirements (something traceable) we might get volunteers and or speedier development??

...NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update...

Don't know which NZBGet you're using, but needo's will compile any version you choose.

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

 

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

...NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update...

Don't know which NZBGet you're using, but needo's will compile any version you choose.

 

I am sorry trull but the opening part of your sentence is the issue:

 

"Don't know which NZBGet you're using ...."

 

If we don't get things in check we could end up with 50 versions of every popular application out there. Whoever someone wakes up and "decides' to duplicate (even identically) what someone else has already done and then disappears of the end of the planet or just can't be bothered maintaining anymore - there we have an issue.

 

I just sent this msg as a reply to a convo I am having with @Squid.

 

What if we could have Community / LT / Group repositories or templates or similar. Then we wouldn't have to rely on individuals to be available, be bothered or (god forbid) be alive to update or develop what is out there. I would prefer (at least basic) versions of applications released by LT (maybe with no tweaks) so at least the base version of applications are out there and released and maintained irrespective of the community so things move irrespective of peoples lives or social obligations. Even better would be "Group Owned" Plugins where when one is away another can pick up the slack. Community ones probably wouldn't work as you don't want all and sundry filing with things.

 

But surely you guys see where I am going..... 

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

 

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

 

Thats why I suggested this:

 

What an excellent idea! +1. How would we implement? Registered forum users with a certain post count could have a link where they could give a + or a - or similar?

 

I feel we would have to limit it to certain user to prevent "false" votes or whatever you want to call them.

...NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update...

Don't know which NZBGet you're using, but needo's will compile any version you choose.

 

I am sorry trull but the opening part of your sentence is the issue:

 

"Don't know which NZBGet you're using ...."

 

If we don't get things in check we could end up with 50 versions of every popular application out there. Whoever someone wakes up and "decides' to duplicate (even identically) what someone else has already done and then disappears of the end of the planet or just can't be bothered maintaining anymore - there we have an issue.

 

I just sent this msg as a reply to a convo I am having with @Squid.

 

What if we could have Community / LT / Group repositories or templates or similar. Then we wouldn't have to rely on individuals to be available, be bothered or (god forbid) be alive to update or develop what is out there. I would prefer (at least basic) versions of applications released by LT (maybe with no tweaks) so at least the base version of applications are out there and released and maintained irrespective of the community so things move irrespective of peoples lives or social obligations. Even better would be "Group Owned" Plugins where when one is away another can pick up the slack. Community ones probably wouldn't work as you don't want all and sundry filing with things.

 

But surely you guys see where I am going.....

 

the idea of a community based repo has been raised before, there are pros and cons though.

 

on the plus side you have a core set of apps that are likely to be updated on a more regular basis

 

on the down side, you have a core set of users that make the decisions on what gets in and what doesn't

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

 

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

 

Thats why I suggested this:

 

What an excellent idea! +1. How would we implement? Registered forum users with a certain post count could have a link where they could give a + or a - or similar?

 

I feel we would have to limit it to certain user to prevent "false" votes or whatever you want to call them.

 

i see a billion spam posts on the horizon so users can get the post count.

I'll come back to this discussion - perhaps I'll create a dedicated thread for it. But for now I'm going to watch Tom Cruises' War of the Worlds and then nip off to bed (10:06pm here). Night all.

I'm not opposed to any of the suggestions being proposed, but I'm not sure there is a good substitute for users taking responsibility to inform themselves about 3rd party software. At minimum you can read the support thread, see if its still being maintained, what others experience has been, whether the developer has even been seen recently.

 

Not having to rely on the small crew at Limetech to provide everything we want is one of the main features of using dockers.

 

Trying to get some single metric such as popularity or rating will never be enough to know whether something is suitable for you. I have been very disappointed in many highly rated downloads around the net over the years, and found some things that were almost unknown that fit my needs very well.

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

 

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

 

Thats why I suggested this:

 

What an excellent idea! +1. How would we implement? Registered forum users with a certain post count could have a link where they could give a + or a - or similar?

 

I feel we would have to limit it to certain user to prevent "false" votes or whatever you want to call them.

 

i see a billion spam posts on the horizon so users can get the post count.

 

Could the 'voting' scheme be setup so that only registered forum members could vote and then set a 'cookie' so that they could only change their vote from a 'plus' to a 'minus' (or vise verse)?

 

I agree with you 100%. If I "Knew" what the difference between the applications were (i.e. by the use of the tools you mention) then I would be making more of an informed choice. At the moment though that is not the case. I have ~3 options for Sabnzb for instance with no differentiator between them. So I have to "Guess" as to which will be better maintained / updated / similar. That sucks.

 

This.

 

I hate installing a Docker and finding something's missing, or the auto updater doesn't work (NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update, some have a heap of useless NZB-to-Media stuff which I don't use).

 

Some time ago it was proposed to introduce a popularity index, this could work similar to the rating system of plugins/add-ons you install for your browser and might help to do a better educated choice. It's only an idea at the moment though.

It's on my whiteboard.  But its not at the top 

 

So how does one help? I have limited but not trivial coding skills in C, C++, PHP and (regrettably) VB and VB.NET as well as basic HTML, Python and ASP/.NET.

 

If we set these up into requests / features with clear inputs, outputs and requirements (something traceable) we might get volunteers and or speedier development??

Post feature requests into the plugin / docker container's appropriate thread.

 

Or create a GitHub account and fork a plugin / container and modify the code.

 

Or program your idea and post it up as a concept and see the kind of reaction it gets

(This is actually how Community Applications evolved -> Started as a proof of concept plugin written by myself in bash -> gfjardim helped me out tons by rewriting it into PHP (at the time my PHP was very limited) -> bonienl refined the interface -> I continually add new features / concepts to it with my vastly improved PHP skills) -> sparklyballs tells me that such and such idea sucks

Probably best to move this discussion to the Community Apps thread.  It's starting to get quite long.

However, there appears to be a state where the drive spin status is considered 'spun down', yet the drive is spinning, and temps are showing and being updated.  That's what happened in both my and reggie's cases.  Once in this state, it appears the 'monitor' process(?) won't check the spin status because it *thinks* it can't, because it *thinks* the drive is not spinning?  But whatever process is obtaining the temps could either reset the spin status, or notify the 'monitor' that the drive must be spinning.  It would be nice if one of the processes above (like monitor?) would just use 'hdparm -C' to check, but perhaps that command is problematic with Areca's and other non-standard controllers?  Just trying to get everything back in sync (displayed status with true status) ...

 

Some logic has been built in emhttp to keep track of the disk being active/stand-by and the updating of the disk temperature. Both monitor and webGUI rely on this logic for proper handling and display of the temperatures.

 

If/when something goes out of sync, it is usually restored when the poll_attribute timer kicks-in.

 

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

In my opinion a like style vote is better, the more people that "like" it the more popular the application is, having a rating 1-5 or allowing people to - an application is just asking for a world of butthurt from the developers.

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

In my opinion a like style vote is better, the more people that "like" it the more popular the application is, having a rating 1-5 or allowing people to - an application is just asking for a world of butthurt from the developers.

 

i can see it on the news...

 

man burns house down because his app was rated a '1'

I'm not opposed to any of the suggestions being proposed, but I'm not sure there is a good substitute for users taking responsibility to inform themselves about 3rd party software. At minimum you can read the support thread, see if its still being maintained, what others experience has been, whether the developer has even been seen recently.

 

Not having to rely on the small crew at Limetech to provide everything we want is one of the main features of using dockers.

 

Trying to get some single metric such as popularity or rating will never be enough to know whether something is suitable for you. I have been very disappointed in many highly rated downloads around the net over the years, and found some things that were almost unknown that fit my needs very well.

Maybe some stats could be integrated into the overview, pulling from the forum things like when the author was last active would be possible or even an average for the posts a day they do.

anything like that in my opinion should be rating based, popularity doesn't mean much if it were based on downloads alone.

 

someone could put out a docker, get bucket loads of downloads cos they're a popular author and if it's no good it still rates popular because it's been downloaded a lot.

In my opinion a like style vote is better, the more people that "like" it the more popular the application is, having a rating 1-5 or allowing people to - an application is just asking for a world of butthurt from the developers.

 

i can see it on the news...

 

man burns house down because his app was rated a '1'

Lol, you aren't far off, but I could see a case where a developer isn't responding quick enough so someone rates the app 1 in retaliation, the dev takes offence to it and decides to just quit, everyone loses in that case.

...NZBGet is one that grinds my gears in particular, some don't update...

Don't know which NZBGet you're using, but needo's will compile any version you choose.

 

I am sorry trull but the opening part of your sentence is the issue:

 

"Don't know which NZBGet you're using ...."

 

If we don't get things in check we could end up with 50 versions of every popular application out there. Whoever someone wakes up and "decides' to duplicate (even identically) what someone else has already done and then disappears of the end of the planet or just can't be bothered maintaining anymore - there we have an issue.

 

*snip*

 

reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/