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  1. Just to add to it... It's impossible to know before hand which temperature sensors are installed on any particular board. Unless someone on the forums has the exact same mobo model and already run sensor-detect. You'd need to try those plugins on your hardware first. If they don't work then you'd need to detect your mobo's sensor chip and then research the forum if there's a solution.
  2. There's a thread on this forum called Dynamix - V6 Plugins where you can ask for feedback on System temp and System Autofan plugins implementation success.
  3. It has a separate controller for 2 out 6 available SATA ports. I think this one would be a better option - all 6 SATA ports run off the chipset: https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b660m-a-ac-d4/techspec/
  4. Welcome! The S01 is designed for 1 x 2.5" and 1 x 3.5" HDDs, so is not really useful for a NAS with any redundancy. I'd say 20W at idle is quite achievable without any add-on cards, few fans, sleeping/idling HDDs and higher CPU C-states enabled. Maybe even lower but that would require more BIOS tweaking and capable motherboard. There's a thread on this board discussing maximum energy efficiency in-depth. Regarding a pre-built... I'm not aware of anything in the new market that would be attractive to be used as a starter NAS. There are certain aliexpress options available but that route is only appropriate for the most adventurous NAS users. If looking for a turn-key solution then there's always an option of Synology, Terramaster, Asustor, Qnap... Some of those could be re-purposed as an Unraid machine but that won't make much sense unless you get a cheap, used one. Even if you're completely averse to computer hardware, you can try to find a capable neighbor kid or someone who would agree to put a system together from a set of previously researched and purchased by you components. That's the most cost efficient way that can be tailored to your unique needs. But that still might require some basic hardware knowledge just to install and setup Unraid. Synology and others are basicaly plug-n-play.
  5. Why not to get a motherboard with six SATA ports and two M.2 slots? Then you won't need to use a SATA expansion card until you expand to more HDDs. The Node 804 comes with 3 fixed speed fans. You can keep them in the motherboard's chamber, connected to the built-in 3-speed fan controller. And then get Arctic PST PWM fans (P12-120mm x 2 and P14-140mm) which will connect to the motherboard's headers. Those can be daisy chained, so even a single header can drive and control all three. I read it's possible to control PWM fans via System Autofan and System Temp plugins according to HDD temps (requires a compatible driver). But If it doesn't work then they'll be controlled by your BIOS fan settings.
  6. Yeah, I'm not aware of any reports on the side-by-side HDDs temp tests that've been done between those cases, with same or similar sets of drives, under same conditions. I'd argue the the N2's HDD backplane is the biggest air-flow restricting factor. The 304 doesn't have any of that. I've also heard of some users actually removing backplanes to open up their N2s in order to reduce HDD running temps. There's also one more downside to backplanes - they're just another point of potential failure. There are lots of the 304 users around this forum. To get a better perspective you might want to create another thread and ask 304 owners about their experiences with airflow and drive temps. You can also ask @trurl - he uses the 304.
  7. How much space clearance do you have? Have you looked at the mATX Node 804 which is also cube-shaped? It's significantly larger than the Node 304 but not nearly as big overall as an average ATX case. It's dimensions are aprox. 34 x 30 x 40 cm (WxHxD) It's a very unique design, with an ample air flow that is specifically reserved for 8 HDDs. They're installed in a separate from the motherboard chamber that is cooled by two 120mm intake and one 140mm exhaust fans.
  8. Well, I might be wrong, but IMO those who're generally concerned with elevated HDD temps (or wide temp swings) tend not to buy very small, hot-swap, air flow abstracting cases. And yes, I'd say that the Node 304, in comparison, by the virtue of its design should have much better air flow properties. From what I've gathered by looking around on the net (a couple Reddit reports) the Jonsbo N2 HDDs tend to have wide temperature swings when put to work, up to the 50s C which I consider to be hot. The goal is to keep HDDs in the range of 30 to mid 40 C at all times. And I'd say that constant wide temp swings have even more detrimental effect on HDDs compared to consistently elevated temperatures, say high 40s - low 50s C. There's a local thread where the user claims to have very decent running HDD temperatures, which I remain skeptical about. It wasn't mentioned if they were taking during a parity check.
  9. I don't speak from experience since I don't own either, but I'd agree with @ConnerVT. Besides, hardly anyone building a NAS (especially the first NAS) would normally give a second thought or any consideration to "insignificant" details like restricted air flow, resulting in warmer than optimum HDDs temps. When the Jonsbo is so cutely small, hot-swap and just outright sexy as compared to the old, boring and tricky to build Node 304.
  10. I don't see anything conflicting on your list but you can always double check compatibility by duplicating your list on https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ Regarding maximum efficiency and particular hardware C-states compatibility you might want to ask @mgutt at the thread linked below. He's mentioned recently that in his experience Samsung NVMe's play the best with C-states so it seems you're already on the right track. You might also want to get at least a couple of those since your motherboard features 5 M.2 slots (4 of which can be populated simultaneously) - so to separate your downloads from appdata.
  11. There is a choice of ATX boards with 8 SATA ports. Some newer PSUs are remarkably more efficient - there's quite a bit of talk about them at the end of the thread linked above. Lots of motherboards now come with the built-in 2.5 Gigabit LAN You can use M.2 NVMe SSDs to free up motherboard SATA ports. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
  12. The usual suspects in NAS/Enterprise varieties from Seagate and WD. How do they compare in prices in your market? Are they that much more expensive as compared to the MG09? How about externals? The last time I shucked an external Seagate a couple of years ago it was significantly cheaper (but with a shorter warranty) - came with an Exos in the enclosure. Other externals I did had Ironwolf Pros included.
  13. Well, the newer consumer tech will be more efficient, there shouldn't be any doubt about that. I don't know your exact system setup, but If you're real concerned about power efficiency and want to achieve maximum power savings then you should try to build a system that doesn't contain any add-on cards. There's an unlimited variety of hardware combinations - impossible to say which will provide the best results without trying. Check out the thread below. It's a long thread, but there are numerous examples of what hardware tends to deliver better results. Also provides general idea about electricity consumption for most common for NAS add-on cards and dGPUs and why they should be avoided. Also talks about PSUs effeiciency and why they shouldn't be overlooked.
  14. The Toshiba MG09 is the industry's first HDD featuring flux-control microwave-assisted magnetic recording (FC-MAMR). It's been on the market for only two years. Not enough time to call it a proven tech. I wouldn't put it in my NAS when there are similarly priced, well proven alternatives.
  15. The issue is its non-trivial power consumption - important for those trying to achieve maximum power savings. It also generates quite a bit of heat that can lead to overheating in restrictive cases. Its presence will also prevent the CPU from entering into higher C-States.
  16. In many cases manually tweaking BIOS settings might yield significant idle power savings, like enabling the motherboard's power saving mode, enabling all available CPU C-States, disabling unused circuitry and setting PCIE DMI power saving to enabled.
  17. I'd say they have very similar idle efficiency, in general. But there are ways to optimize a particular system for maximum savings. But it's more of a try-n-see endeavor due to the unlimited variety of hardware configurations. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI/edit#gid=0 You might want to check this thread:
  18. Welcome! The Node 804 has been released 8 years ago but it's still considered to be one of the best DIY mATX NAS cases around. The biggest issue with it, IMO, relates to unavailability of mATX motherboards (by the big 4) featuring 8 SATA ports, since the case is designed to house 8 HDDs. Yes, there's an option to get additional SATA ports by utilizing a HBA or SATA expansion card but there are certain issues with that route, especially if your goal is to achieve maximum power efficiency. The other great options would be the Fractal Meshify and Fractal Define lines of cases, e.g. the Meshify 2 and Define 7. They're more modern in comparison, but also generally bigger in size, designed to accept ATX mobos that are readily available with 8 SATA ports. Also easy to work on, with lots of room for expansion.
  19. "Linus Tech Tips pauses production as controversy swirls. What started as criticism over errors in recent YouTube videos has escalated into allegations of sexual harassment, prompting the company to hire an outside investigator." https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23834190/linus-tech-tips-gamersnexus-madison-reeves-controversy
  20. Depends on your use case. If buying new or used only for media streaming (no VMs): New: multiple stream 4K transcoding in Plex, Jellyfin or Emby - the i5 12500 (non-F SKU) selected for its more powerful iGPU. direct play or light transcoding - the i3 12100 (non-F) Used: Any Intel Core non-F 10th gen. (same iGPU across the product line).
  21. Are you going all new hardware, including the case? 12-13 gen are fully supported.
  22. Billet Labs public statement: You, the PC community, are amazing. We'd like to thank you for your support, it means more than you can imagine. Steve at Gamers Nexus has publicly shown his integrity, at the huge risk of backlash, and we have nothing but respect for him for how he's handled himself, both publicly and when speaking directly to us. ... Regarding LTT, we are simply going to state the relevant facts: On 10th August, we were told by LTT via email that the block had been sold at auction. There was no apology. We replied on 10th August within 30 minutes, telling LTT that this wasn't okay, and that this was a £XXXX prototype, and we asked if they planned to reimburse us at all. We received no reply and no offer of payment until 2 hours after the Gamers Nexus video went live on 14th August, at which point Linus himself emailed us directly. The exact monetary value of the prototype was offered as reimbursement. We have not received, nor have we asked for any other form of compensation. ... About the future of Billet Labs: We don't plan to mourn our missing block, we're already hard at work making another one to use for PC case development, as well as other media and marketing opportunities. Yes it sucks that the prototype has gone, it's slowed us but has absolutely not stopped us. We have pre-orders for it, and plan to push ahead with our first production run as soon as we can. We also have some exciting new products on our website that are available to buy now - we thank everyone who has bought them so far, and we can't wait to see what you do with them. We're happy to answer any questions, but we won't be commenting on LTT or the specifics of the email exchanges – we're going to concentrate on making cool stuff, and innovative products (the Monoblock being just one of these). ... We hope LTT implements the necessary changes to stop a situation like this happening again. Peace out ✌ Felix and Dean Billet Labs
  23. Is the stock fan constant speed? Then yeah, a higher rpm fan will definitely make a difference. Sorry, I've assumed that the stock fan is adjustable and is already running maxed out.
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