Harpz Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Worst case scenario: "unRAID Nerds Edition"............ Lol it gets better, maybe get he community to assist in choosing a name, maybe a poll on Toms final choices Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There will now be two interfaces to add users. Will there be issues with the passwords? I remember there being issues years back between systems the old crypt style password and the md5 style password. Then we have uid/gid issues. I actually wish unRAID handled uid/gid/groups better. In any case, have user accounts/passwords been changed and tested. I know there are bigger fish to fry, however this could be a point of contention. I'm not sure if anyone has thought of it yet. Great questions. The way Tom uses Samba (it writes the unRAID stuff to it's own .conf file), adding shares on the host is easy and permanent. CentOS has a default nobody and root user. In all my testing and adding / deleting users in all kinds of ways (Linux, Webmin, unRAID, etc.)... This wasn't an issue. There are some things that Tom will do for permissions on startup in the systemd files for services / folders but we as normal users will not have to mess with those. Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 OK I thought it should be a GUI, so you can maintain all VM remotely (RD) using virt-manager Perhaps it will have an option to install the GUI. I bet that hasn't been decided on. Regardless, I gave you the worst case scenario and the solution. Pretty simple I think. Quote Link to comment
prostuff1 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Do I get the GUI / desktop of CentOS using telnet or SSH connecting my server;) or is it only the command prompt ? Worst case scenario: "unRAID Nerds Edition" installs with only a command prompt. Solution yum groupinstall “KDE desktop" Part of me would prefer to see "unRAID NE" install with only the command line. If installing a desktop is so easy, then something in the webgui could be added (a checkbox) that reads "expose desktop environment" or the like. clicking the box does exactly the command you listed above. Quote Link to comment
jumperalex Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 "unRAID Nerds Edition" ;D I prefer unRaid-NG ... Nerd 'Gasm Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Part of me would prefer to see "unRAID NE" install with only the command line. If installing a desktop is so easy, then something in the webgui could be added (a checkbox) that reads "expose desktop environment" or the like. clicking the box does exactly the command you listed above. Assuming Tom is going to host this, if I was him... I wouldn't include a Desktop. The ISO size is going to BIG if that is the case. Quote Link to comment
WeeboTech Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There will now be two interfaces to add users. Will there be issues with the passwords? I remember there being issues years back between systems the old crypt style password and the md5 style password. Then we have uid/gid issues. I actually wish unRAID handled uid/gid/groups better. In any case, have user accounts/passwords been changed and tested. I know there are bigger fish to fry, however this could be a point of contention. I'm not sure if anyone has thought of it yet. Great questions. The way Tom uses Samba (it writes the unRAID stuff to it's own .conf file), adding shares on the host is easy and permanent. CentOS has a default nobody and root user. In all my testing and adding / deleting users in all kinds of ways (Linux, Webmin, unRAID, etc.)... This wasn't an issue. There are some things that Tom will do for permissions on startup in the systemd files for services / folders but we as normal users will not have to mess with those. Here's a point to consider. I remember having issues with UID/GID's under 1000 with emhttp. I.E. They were ignored or not addressed. Probably by design. This is good, but bad. bad because emhttp keeps it's own copy of passwd/group/shadow on /boot/config. So before anything happens these two files the system /etc files and /boot/config files need to be in sync. if someone adds a user in emhttp there could be issues. Quote Link to comment
dheg Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Going into the POWER USER Zone... You can also set up additional shares to various folders, drives, etc. on your Host Server. You aren't stuck with only what unRAID shares. If you have a SSD drive on your Host outside of unRAID with a folder called Stuff. You would share Stuff on the Host (not in unRAID because unRAID can't see it) and you could copy things there if you so desired. Why not? You can share the pendrive, why not the host drive, or especifically a part of it? Maybe create a partition that will act as cache for unRAID. This way, if I have a RAID1 of the host hard drive, cache will also be protected, does it make sense? Quote Link to comment
peter_sm Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Found this info to Remotely managing KVM http://thepoch.com/tumblr/so-you-want-a-centos-6-kvm-host-server.html Maybe you already do this way ? //Peter Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Why not? You can share the pendrive, why not the host drive, or especifically a part of it. Maybe create a partition that will act as cache for unRAID. This way, if I have a RAID1 of the host hard drive, cache will also be protected, does it make sense? You can get as "freaky"as you want with your set up. Run LVMs / Mirror Drives or Partitions or Both / iSCSI / AoE / VirtFS / NFS / Samba / etc. Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Found this info to Remotely managing KVM http://thepoch.com/tumblr/so-you-want-a-centos-6-kvm-host-server.html Maybe you already do this way ? That is one way of doing it. That is a guide for setting it on a headless server using SSH with X11 Forwarding. You would need to install xming and Virt-Manager would show up on your Window PC. dheg also put together an awesome guide on how to install Archipel: a webGUI to manage your virtualization engine Quote Link to comment
tr0910 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 who would be ultimately responsible for the maintaining the distro, Tom or is it a community effort? I ask because we've all seen how easy it can be for people / maintainers / helpers past and present to take offence and bugger off with the arse. The way I see it at the moment is that it would only take a few very intelligent individuals to get disheartened, the strop, annoyed, etc, etc, with the way things are going and leave and we could be in allot of trouble with no support, thus leaving people up shit creek with out a paddle. My preference would be for Tom to keep control of the solid production release. Then have a "way out front" effort lead by the brightest and the best that keeps pushing the envelope. These best and brightest need to have the freedom to innovate without limitation. Quote Link to comment
apgood Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Part of me would prefer to see "unRAID NE" install with only the command line. If installing a desktop is so easy, then something in the webgui could be added (a checkbox) that reads "expose desktop environment" or the like. clicking the box does exactly the command you listed above. Assuming Tom is going to host this, if I was him... I wouldn't include a Desktop. The ISO size is going to BIG if that is the case. Agree. Besides some people might not want a desktop or prefer gnome. That's the beauty of this you get the advantages of a well supported distro and you can make it as heavy or light as you want beyond what would be provide in the base iso. Quote Link to comment
Ford Prefect Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 "unRAID Nerds Edition" ;D I prefer unRaid-NG ... Nerd 'Gasm ..based on my search-foo in the forum ,I hereby claim my rights as inventor of the term "unRAID-NG" in this thread. I am donating it to the community right away, of course I am going all bananas... :P Quote Link to comment
jumperalex Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 BAH .. you called it Next Gen. I've got the rights to Nerd 'Gasm!!!! And with it I will TAKE OVER THE WORLD TROZ!!!! Quote Link to comment
Ford Prefect Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 BAH .. you called it Next Gen. I've got the rights to Nerd 'Gasm!!!! And with it I will TAKE OVER THE WORLD TROZ!!!! ...Pinky, you do know that this is not going to happen, don't you Ha, this is fun...let's wait for the product and *then* find the right name for it Quote Link to comment
ironicbadger Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Playing devils advocate I have a question though, who would be ultimately responsible for the maintaining the distro, Tom or is it a community effort? From what little I heard and rumors... I believe this is going to be a Limetech product which they create / own. Haven't heard anything official from Tom but it sounds like he is going to leverage some talent to assist him in this endeavor. That is not to say that Tom doesn't posses the skills, knowledge, experience to do it... I think it's more of a time / bandwidth deal. What guarantees do we have this isn't going to happen as I'm sure like me allot of the people here value there data as much as I do? I don't see Tom releasing a Limetech product that he doesn't believe in / support / maintain. Not read to the end yet, but 100% this ^^^^ . EDIT: now read to the end and still applies. but nerd 'gasm? errr, what? Quote Link to comment
Ford Prefect Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Not read to the end yet, but 100% this ^^^^ . EDIT: now read to the end and still applies. but nerd 'gasm? errr, what? ...looks like someone got carried away ... a bit ...I take it this is due to XS coming real close and everyone wants a present Also it has been real quite around this forum lately...only until we started debating around this and finally TOM joining in. Wait, this It is even more exiting than XS OK, ironic...thanks for dropping in...any.....uhmmm...real news? Quote Link to comment
ironicbadger Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Not read to the end yet, but 100% this ^^^^ . EDIT: now read to the end and still applies. but nerd 'gasm? errr, what? ...looks like someone got carried away ... a bit ...I take it this is due to XS coming real close and everyone wants a present Also it has been real quite around this forum lately...only until we started debating around this and finally TOM joining in. Wait, this It is even more exiting than XS OK, ironic...thanks for dropping in...any.....uhmmm...real news? nothing new to report today. i'm in talks with Tom, that's about it for now. Quote Link to comment
JustinChase Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 ... You could mirror or have single or dual parity if you want. ... Why do you need a cache drive? Your VMs will download your TV Shows, Movies, etc. and copy them over to unRAID for you. So, I could put my cache drive into active storage capacity with no performance hit, and could easily? convert a disk to serve as a 2nd parity? I'm really enjoying this thread! Thanks to all who are contributing their time and knowledge with the rest of us! Quote Link to comment
dalben Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Thinking of this a bit more I probably don't need virtualisation if the base allows packages to be installed outside of unRAID's plugin system. I run a cache drive (256Gb SSD) purely for plugins and not cache. Am I right in thinking I could convert this to my system/OS disk, run all the packages I want (SAB, CP, SB, Transmisson, Flexget, APC, MySQL) on this disk and basically keep the rest of my unRAID install as it is ? So I wouldn't need any hardware upgrading.... Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 So, I could put my cache drive into active storage capacity with no performance hit, and could easily? Yes convert a disk to serve as a 2nd parity? No. unRAID doesn't have the ability to use a 2nd parity. I was talking about RAID 6 in Linux outside of unRAID. Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I run a cache drive (256Gb SSD) purely for plugins and not cache. Am I right in thinking I could convert this to my system/OS disk, run all the packages I want (SAB, CP, SB, Transmisson, Flexget, APC, MySQL) on this disk and basically keep the rest of my unRAID install as it is ? Yes Quote Link to comment
dheg Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 So, I could put my cache drive into active storage capacity with no performance hit, and could easily? convert a disk to serve as a 2nd parity? Unraid doesn't support a second parity drive. It's been in the roadmap forever though. I believe it was called p+q. What you could do (I think) is to raid1 your cache drive, easier said than done though. Sent from my GT-I9305 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
grumpybutfun Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 You are now able to do everything that has been discussed in this thread if you have Hardware that supports PCI Passthrough... WITH unRAID AS A VM using the following guide: Virtualizing unRAID in KVM on openSUSE 13.1 (64Bit) [glow=red,2,300]BEFORE YOU BEGIN, UNPLUG THE POWER TO ALL OF YOUR OF DRIVES AND REMOVE YOUR unRAID USB FLASH DRIVE! IF YOU FOLLOW MY GUIDE AND ONLY PLUG IN YOUR DRIVES AND UnRAID USB FLASH DRIVE WHEN I TELL YOU IT'S SAFE TOO...[/glow] You can install openSUSE to a USB Flash Drive and use it on your CURRENT unRAID system and even switch back and forth between unRAID running in a VM and running unRAID "bare metal". NOTE: If you want to go back and your unRAID "bare metal", simply boot into your unRAID USB Flash Drive like you always have. [glow=red,2,300]BEFORE YOU BEGIN TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF YOUR unRAID SO YOU KNOW WHERE EACH DRIVE IS ASSIGNED JUST IN CASE[/glow] Quote Link to comment
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