Rajahal Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 In short: price and quality. I actually have a full review comparing the Supermicro, Icy Dock, and Norco drive cages that I'll release soon. Sorry for the delay. Quote Link to comment
kizer Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 In short: price and quality. I actually have a full review comparing the Supermicro, Icy Dock, and Norco drive cages that I'll release soon. Sorry for the delay. Chop, Chop. I've personally been waiting for that review. Thanks for your efforts way in advance. Quote Link to comment
starcat Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 If messing with the drive cages is too much hassle, then I recommend getting the smallest MicroATX or miniITX motherboard you can find. In addition to be an all-around awesome board, the Biostar A670G M2+ that I recommend in many of my builds is significantly smaller than most MicroATX boards. If you went with a miniITX board I guarantee that you wouldn't have any issues with fitting the Supermicro cages, but you will also either limit your expandability or pay a lot more. There are a few nice Atom-based Supermicro miniITX boards each of which has 6 onboard SATA ports and could support a SASLP card for a max capacity of 14 drives. The new ASRock E350M1 (AMD Zacate) board looks promising as well. It would max out at 12 drives, or 13 if you used the rear eSATA port. Raj, it would be really nice if we can include info on S3 and software fan speed control with each board we test. Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Raj, it would be really nice if we can include info on S3 and software fan speed control with each board we test. I agree, but we need some sort of simple way of testing that. As I understand it, S3, WOL, and fan speed control are complicated issues that vary from motherboard to motherboard. Maybe it actually isn't as difficult as I think it is, I don't know since I've never tried it. If there were some simple script that could be run on a motherboard to test compatibility with these things, then I would push it more. As it is now, I consider these topics to be more of a Level 3 + type of thing. Quote Link to comment
MrCrispy Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Thanks for your help, Rajahal! Few more questions - 1. Am I correct that a trayless 4-in-3 (like the new IcyDock) will have higher drive temps than a 5-in-3 with trays? 2. Is the stock fan that comes with IcyDock MB455SPF quiet enough? Which would you say is a better buy - IcyDock or Norco SS? 3. What is the best (i.e. also cheapest) quiet fan to replace the fan on the Supermicro 5in3? I was looking at trayless 4-in-3 models but they are not cheap either, and would rather get the 5in3 since it gives me an extra drive, if temps are not going to be an issue. I've also decided to increase my budget and switch completely to green drives instead of reusing 7200rpm one's, and thus will need to order some 2TB ones. Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 How do the iStarUSA 5in3 cages fit in with the other. Have you tested one Raj? Quote Link to comment
prostuff1 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 How do the iStarUSA 5in3 cages fit in with the other. Have you tested one Raj? I am pretty sure he has not had a chance to test the iStarUSA cages. I should have a client build coming up in the next couple of weeks that will be using 3 of these iStarUSA cages. I will see what I can do as far as a write up is concerned once everything is built and I can completely test everything. Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I am pretty sure he has not had a chance to test the iStarUSA cages. I should have a client build coming up in the next couple of weeks that will be using 3 of these iStarUSA cages. I will see what I can do as far as a write up is concerned once everything is built and I can completely test everything. I look forward to it. Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 1. Am I correct that a trayless 4-in-3 (like the new IcyDock) will have higher drive temps than a 5-in-3 with trays? I don't speak from experience here, but I don't believe that is true. The 4-in-3 allows for more space between the drives, so I would expect the drives may actually run a bit cooler, or maybe about the same. I wouldn't worry about cooling with either model. 2. Is the stock fan that comes with IcyDock MB455SPF quiet enough? Which would you say is a better buy - IcyDock or Norco SS? The stock fans that come with both units are fine in my opinion. Neither needs replacement. I would choose the Norco because it is much cheaper and because I prefer the drive tray design. It does a better job of protecting the drive when it is outside the cage, and it also has a sliding bit of metal that allows you to cut off airflow to empty drive bays. The Icy Dock trays are lacking in both these areas. 3. What is the best (i.e. also cheapest) quiet fan to replace the fan on the Supermicro 5in3? I haven't done enough fan testing to pretend to be an expert in this area, but when I was doing my research I settled on the GELID Solutions FN-PX09-20 92mm Case Fan as filling the sweet spot between price and specs (CFM and dBA). Works well, no complaints. I was looking at trayless 4-in-3 models but they are not cheap either, and would rather get the 5in3 since it gives me an extra drive, if temps are not going to be an issue. I've also decided to increase my budget and switch completely to green drives instead of reusing 7200rpm one's, and thus will need to order some 2TB ones. In that case I definitely recommend the Norco units for you. Superorb: prostuff1 is right, I have not yet tested the new iStarUSA cages. Unless they are on sale for less than $100 shipped or unless you just really like the look of them, I don't see any reason to stray from the Norcos at the moment. Quote Link to comment
onikage Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 How would you rate the noise level of the components in the 3+ drive micro system? So, that would factor in the Corsair Builder PSU, the 2 Rosewill 120mm fans, and the Sempron fan? I want to know to determine if I'd have to opt for a different PSU or replace the other component fans for something close to silent. Quote Link to comment
zenbane Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am ordering parts for the 5 Drive Budget Box. This is my first unRAID build and I can't wait to take the plunge! I have some questions though: If I only have 3 drives for now, does it make sense to buy the drive cage? Is it tough to add it later? I plan on upgrading to 15 drives at some point, should I go ahead and get the more powerful power supply? Are these parts up to date with the latest tech / consensus or am I all set? Thanks! Quote Link to comment
prostuff1 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am ordering parts for the 5 Drive Budget Box. This is my first unRAID build and I can't wait to take the plunge! I have some questions though: If I only have 3 drives for now, does it make sense to buy the drive cage? Is it tough to add it later? I plan on upgrading to 15 drives at some point, should I go ahead and get the more powerful power supply? Are these parts up to date with the latest tech / consensus or am I all set? Thanks! 1. The 5-in-3 cages are not needed right off the bat. The AZZA case used in the 15 drive build comes with a cage 4-in-3 non hot swap to start. 2. Yes, get the bigger PSU to start 3. for the most part yes, pieces and parts change so much and so fast it is hard to keep up. Quote Link to comment
zenbane Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 EDIT- I ordered the original parts. Can't wait. Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Sounds good. I was hoping to build it this weekend and the mobo listed won't arrive until at least next week. I know this mobo is not listed in hardware compatibility, however it is available for pickup (in the Philadelphia area): http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0349768 Would this suit my build? Other options are listed here: http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?N=4294966996+4294959612&Ns=P_RetailPrice&Nso=Ascending&sht=Any&prt=NewProduct& Maybe I'll just hold off and wait for it.. nothing like instant gratification though! Probably best to get a mobo with integrated video so you can at least set it up for the first time without juggling video cards. Quote Link to comment
thisisepic0727 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am ordering parts for the 5 Drive Budget Box. This is my first unRAID build and I can't wait to take the plunge! I have some questions though: If I only have 3 drives for now, does it make sense to buy the drive cage? Is it tough to add it later? I plan on upgrading to 15 drives at some point, should I go ahead and get the more powerful power supply? Are these parts up to date with the latest tech / consensus or am I all set? Thanks! That's funny that you mention this because I am doing the same thing. I'm ordering parts one at a time over the next couple of weeks. I've posted a thread about the hardware and my experiences to this point. You can find the thread here. I am also starting with 3 drives and even though I don't need it now, I'm adding 1 hot-swap bay to begin; I'll add the others in time. I'm also going with the larger psu so I don't have to waste it. Good luck with your build! Quote Link to comment
zenbane Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Raj, couple questions for you now that I am building/testing (5 drive budget box to be later expanded). Concerning the biostar mobo, can you give me a quick rundown of what I should change from the default? (I have enabled ACHI, other than that not sure). I have the following drives (see below), I noticed that the EARS may have some issues however it is brand new, should I still use jumpers? - See http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=9936.0 Also, for my Seagate drives is the CC35 update required for the CC95 firmware? I am thinking I may just preclear the cc95 and WD right now to get the process started so I can hopefully finish this tomorrow or Monday. Many, many thanks! === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: WDC WD20EARS-00MVWB0 Serial Number: WD-WMAZA3206317 Firmware Version: 51.0AB51 User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Sat Mar 26 15:30:51 2011 EDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: (36060) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3035) SCT Status supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 253 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 1166 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 10 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 4 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 3 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 32 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 126 115 000 Old_age Always - 24 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: ST32000542AS Serial Number: 5XW2D8NK Firmware Version: CC95 User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Sat Mar 26 15:24:14 2011 EDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activity was completed without error. Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 633) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x103f) SCT Status supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 006 Pre-fail Always - 48565 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 100 100 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 253 030 Pre-fail Always - 387 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 074 074 045 Old_age Always - 26 (Lifetime Min/Max 26/26) 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 026 040 000 Old_age Always - 26 (0 19 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 48565 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 273718265774100 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 242 Total_LBAs_Read 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 5324 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Device Model: ST32000542AS Serial Number: 5XW2D8NK Firmware Version: CC95 User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Sat Mar 26 15:24:14 2011 EDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: ST32000542AS Serial Number: 6XW25V1Z Firmware Version: CC34 User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Sat Mar 26 15:30:20 2011 EDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 633) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x103f) SCT Status supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 006 Pre-fail Always - 37137 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 100 100 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 253 030 Pre-fail Always - 84 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 077 076 045 Old_age Always - 23 (Lifetime Min/Max 23/23) 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 023 040 000 Old_age Always - 23 (0 17 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 37137 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 169629733355542 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 242 Total_LBAs_Read 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 3519097707 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Here's the Biostar board settings: BIOS Settings I'm not sure about the CC95 firmware. Search through this thread for advice. The SMART reports for all your drives look completely normal. Quote Link to comment
gorbachev Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Rajahal, I wonder, if it'd be possible to have a non-rackmount version of your 20+ drive reference builds? Honestly not sure about how many people would be interested (I would), though. Any particular advice you'd have for a build like that? (and, yes, I'm reading the enclosure thread as well). I'd probably start with something like 10 drives first, but I'm sick and tired of buying new boxes every time I fill the existing ones. I need something that I can extend as needed and that has a very large maximum drive capacity. UnRaid seems to fit the bill absolutely perfectly. The wealth of choices and my lack of hw expertise (last time I built my own PC was about 10 years ago) is making the decision on what to build a little...interesting It also occured to me that you don't have to rack mount the rackmount cases, if you don't want to. How well are those Norcos protected from dust? I'd need to place the case under the desk. It's dustier there than on my desk (or inside a rack). Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I think there's actually lots of interest in 20 drive tower builds. I've added a few to that section of the prototypes thread (see here. You'll see that the price difference compared to the rackmount systems is significant ($200+). Correct, you don't have to mount the Norco cases in a rack. I've run them just sitting on tables, and even on their side to save space (though they have to hang off the edge of a surface because the front bracket is wider than the rest of the case). The Norco cases aren't particularly well protected from dust, as they have no dust filters. I haven't had any specific dust problems with them, but I've always kept them off the ground. If you do need to keep it under your desk, I would suggest putting it on a box or something that keeps it at least a foot off the ground. The further off the ground the case is, the less dust it will collect. You could also make your own dust filter pretty easily with a trip to a hardware store...just get some fine mesh, cut it to the right size, and stick it to the front of the server. Quote Link to comment
teamhood Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Raj, So I cored one of those cheap Kill-a-watt meters that was listed the other week and start doing some power testing on my Supermicro unRAID and my smaller 6 drive unRAID. My SuperMicro sucks some serious juice as it was designed for a data center environment. I was wondering if you have tested the power on your 22 or 24 drive systems? I'm currently maxed on my SuperMicro @ 15 drives and about 315 watt for parity sync with a 173 watt idle. I'm wondering what you are seeing on those bigger systems? Thank you for all your hard work! Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I haven't yet run power tests on the 22/24 drive systems. However, I'm building a 22 drive beast for a client very soon, so I'll test that one once it is done. Quote Link to comment
teamhood Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 What MOBO are you thinking about using for the 24 drive budget as that Jetway is EOL'd? Quote Link to comment
Rajahal Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Is it EOL'd already? I thought it was just out of stock. I haven't looked into a replacement yet. Quote Link to comment
teamhood Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Is it EOL'd already? I thought it was just out of stock. I haven't looked into a replacement yet. Oh it might just be out of stock, I assumed that it was EOL... I only shop/buy from NewEgg and assumed the worse. Quote Link to comment
grandprix Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Nope, it's EOL'd, deactivated, no intentions to return. I made a thread concerning the replacement mobo (as per Jetway) and making the request thereof from Newegg for it to be carried. Quote Link to comment
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